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I came across this and thought I would share with AR members. Probably won't be more than a few people but according to the Facebook page the Humane Society is promoting the event. Las Vegas Rally for Cecil | ||
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i think there were 9 of them at DSC - graeme pollock ,engaged them politely and elegantly - that may or may not have listened but thanks graeme for doing so - "The greatest threat to our wildlife is the thought that someone else will save it” www.facebook.com/ivancartersafrica www.ivancarterwca.org www.ivancarter.com ivan@ivancarter.com | |||
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Ivan, What is your opinion of trying to politely engage them about the role of hunting in conservation? Waste of time or potentially beneficial? I'm sure it depends on the situation but you have a great deal of experience so I'm interested to hear what you think. | |||
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They have really picked the worst times to protest. 6pm - when people are getting ready to attend the dinner/ entertainment for the night. Much like everything these anti-hunters do, this "protest" isn't well thought out. | |||
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Maybe we can send some "Card Poppers" down to "engage" them! | |||
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Engaging a person protesting is usually futile - particularly in that scenario - that said i commend the effort - the most important thing is to be polite and respectful - we are always judged by our lowest moment or individual - "The greatest threat to our wildlife is the thought that someone else will save it” www.facebook.com/ivancartersafrica www.ivancarterwca.org www.ivancarter.com ivan@ivancarter.com | |||
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Hell's Angels - Vegas Chapter should disperse the crowd however big or small. Stand them several rounds of drinks and everyone will be happy.  | |||
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What Ivan says is true. Remember, the antis are the same idiots who created a huge uproar over Steven Spielberg with a triceratops. Damn, I can't believe I spelled that right. You can't engage them and expect any change in their attitude. | |||
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I love it! Their demonstrations are scheduled for the evenings when the convention is closed down. Might see some of them if you are attending one of the evening shows, but they'll be long gone by the time you come out. Bwanna is the new Las Vegas SCI Chapter President, so tell him to get his fighters together and go rumble with the protesters!  | |||
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The Man has spoken and well.  I give it maybe 5 seconds before the antis take up hunting. At least hunting a place to hide. | |||
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Don't minimize the strategy of our enemies. 6:00 PM will give them live coverage on the 6:00 news, and a wrapup at 10:00 that shows "average people" daring to confront wealthy Cecil-killing fat cats wearing tuxedos and designer gowns on their way to a $150-plate dinner where hunts costing more than most viewers make in a year will be auctioned. Bill Quimby | |||
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Hunting is about being an individual. Antis is about a herd. The news is going to do what they do. At least one of my friends was somewhat worried about so called antis at DSC. Yes I minimized the actual effect. They might have a strategy. They might have a web site or Facebook or such. I am sure they do. But I am going to do what I do irregardless of any anti protest. I had been up and round and on 3 sides of DSC and didnt see a thing. He seemed relived. As I told him hunt more (which he doesnt much) and worry less. | |||
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http://en.eventhint.com/events...egas-rally-for-cecil They apparently were saving their effort for SCI. Several groups have been promoting this protest to members ever since since they adopted Cecil as their icon earlier this year. One of them claimed a couple of weeks ago that 250 of its members will go to Nevada. Note that this thread says professional signs have already been made for the protest. Bill Quimby | |||
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It will be interesting to see how many actually show up. Like most things on the internet talk is cheap and actually doing something or spending money out of your pocket thins the herd. I spent a bit of time scrolling through their Facebook page and there were questions about providing dollars to help people attend (no go - dollars donated to date is zero). Also people asking about protests at the Mirage dolphins and Siegfried and Roy. | |||
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What Ivan ses is right , I mentioned that according to their facebook stats - there were over 500 invites sent , we cannot be sure but we started responding with facts about hunting and then they had about 120 respond or show interest with 40 odd saying they would attend the protest , of which approx 14 attended ( the other 30 lied - how unusual) but the fact remains they sent ( shared 500 times and if every Facebook member has an average of 200 friends they reached 10 000 possible protestors , but by going on each and every thread and shareing scientific papers and hunting facts we reach 10 000 fence sitters . We can and must use their platforms to reach and educate the people who dont have an opinion (yet) on hunting before they misinform them. If they have a SCI page please send me the link as we need to get working on that page while getting people like Dr John Ledger , Dr J Anderson , Steve Johnson , and all the other esteemed biologists who can supply links to research papers on hunting as a conservation tool as well as links to guys like Buzz and Miles Facebook pages with anti poaching efforts and success , that is where the new fight is going . | |||
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I think you are right. My wife, when I first met her, was an anti but not a foaming at the mouth anti. Over time, she made a lot of observations. For example, my dvd's clearly show that some of these animals are truly dangerous, it is a lot of effort (walking 25 miles a day elephant hunting or preparing the better part of a year for a sheep hunt) and they are not simply executed. In addition, she learned a lot of factual information on wild life and wild life management. Now she is the polar opposite of what she used to be. | |||
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No matter what good we do or how much fact and logic is in our speech, nothing will make a difference. So, I would like to see some hunters set up at the demo and grill an elephant trunk dressed in lion skins and pass out literature how to properly gut shoot animals. A worthless group of bastards they all are. Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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A couple of quotes you can use Cal. As a consequence: "Southern Africa's seen large scale recoveries of wildlife in the 20th century, built around hunting," says Rosie Cooney, who heads the IUCN Sustainable Use and Livelihoods Specialist Group. 'Hunting, as much as people might detest it, DOES HAVE A ROLE IN CONSERVATION,' Andrew Loveridge, a researcher who collared and studied Cecil the lion, told the BBC earlier this year. 'About 1.5 million square kilometres of African wildlife habitat is protected as hunting reserves. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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Guys I've read this thread with interest and there is just one constructive point that I would like to make. Here in the UK we experienced what were called Anti Bloodsport protestors for years who attended and tried to disrupt legal fox hunts. Virtually every hunt attracted a protest group every time they hunted and there are hundreds of hunts all over the country each day of the season. The general public were mostly unaware of these protests. The only ones that caught the headlines were those where any kind of confrontation was involved. Confrontation is what they wanted because that's what makes news, not some character stood chanting with a banner being politely ignored by passers by. | |||
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But of course. They never put their own money where their mouth is. Someone else, usually the government, is supposed to actually pay for everything. | |||
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Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
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Regarding the protesters, proceed cautiously my friends. Yawl are up against some big money. For example, the organizer (Ms. Ana Shah) for the "Protest the Dallas Safari Club" donated $200 to the 2015 Fundraiser for Global March for Elephant and Rhino (apparently she is a major player in GMFER). As per their website "The Global March for Elephants and Rhinos (GMFER) is an all-volunteer, global grassroots effort to save elephants and rhinos from extinction. Donations will help us cover the cost of website server and maintenance, graphic design, promotional materials for the marches, supporting small, community-led, anti-poaching initiatives in Africa, etc. We have just under two months before cities around the world unite to #MarchAgainstExtinction. Thank you for being a part of this important movement and thank you for your help and support!" Hmm? After her donation was used to cover the cost of website server (and maintenance), graphic design, promotional materials for the marches, etc., I wonder how much of her donation actually "supported small, community-led, anti-poaching initiatives in Africa". Cheers! DSC Life Member HSC Life Member NRA Life Member SCI RMEF | |||
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