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Bodington takes a back up shot on a tuskless elephant with Bill Jones 700 NE. The recoil backs him up 3 steps and Ivan Carter feels the need to ask Craig if he's OK. The cartriges look like an ear of corn. Now that is a stopping rifle. Chip Pitcairn | ||
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That's just silly!!! I happened to reread some of Terry Wieland's rifle book last night and an H&H guy was quoted on his own 700H&H rifles as saying, "it's perfect for driven mammoth hunts!" I think that about sums it up. Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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I would not want to hunt DG with any gun that caused me to take even one step back, much less three. DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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Hi Chip The .700 belongs to Bill Jones, and he was shooting it, not Craig. Craig was backing up with Bills .600 which "doubled" on him. Both Craig and I have been fortunate to shoot Bill's .700 at $100 a pop and although it is a hell of a thump, if you brace for it, it is a hoot to let loose. The .600, which I have also shot, is actually a much harder kick due to the lighter weight. And nobody on this planet can double a thing like that without seeing Jesus for a few seconds. Craig said he thought he would be taller !!! Thats the behind the scenes story. Dave Fulson | |||
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I thought Craigs writing has been a little fuzzy lately. Now I know why!  465H&H | |||
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Thanks for clearing that up Dave. I would think thats thekind of thing they would want to explain in the show. I'm sure others wiuld be interested. Great visual description of RECOIL, though. Double rifles are fascinating. If I could afford all the guns that interest me i would need a much bigger house. Chip Pitcairn | |||
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Chip, repeat slowly---Proof read....proof read.. Chip Pitcairn | |||
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I've got a small wooden display box with 6 live 700NE shells in it, with the H&H logo and a brief description of the 700nE on the inside lid, so you can read it with the case open on display. Had it for some time, forget where I got it. Tony, if you know how to post pix here, I'll send you a shot of it......Biebs | |||
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Biebs Sorry, I do not know how to post a picture. I can barely turn a computer on. DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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all of this begs the question-what is the purpose of a rifle that even the gunmaker jokes about and costs $100/round to shoot? why not just buy an RPG and be done with it? Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Rifle manufacturer "Jonesing". Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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 Now that's funny!!!! Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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I saw this on the DVR yesterday. Just how close was the muzzle to the client's head? The client's hat flew off and he appeared very dazed afterwards. It was amazing to see the muzzle rise as it doubled on him. I meant to be DSC Member...bad typing skills. Marcus Cady DRSS | |||
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He is taller craig! your feet where still off the grownd  I enjoy craig's stuff my humble opionion is he does some of the best work for our sport. teaching etc. | |||
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That is quite easier than you think.Try these steps. 1. Register on www.photobucket.com for free (Takes two minutes) 2.Upload your pictures from your computer,mobile phone etc, onto your album on photobucket.You can choose size of the images too. 3.Each photo has an image code (fourth box).Copy that image code and paste it in your post. Best- Locksley,R "Early in the morning, at break of day, in all the freshness and dawn of one's strength, to read a book - I call that vicious!"- Friedrich Nietzsche | |||
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I have the utmost respect for Craig. When it comes to hunting and firearms he has been there and done that. When it comes to faithfully serving his country while the chickens are pecking at his integrity, he has done that. He shows great humility in the face of personal attacks, where others would have retaliated. Having said that, shooting animals with 700 nitros and such qualifies as a stunt in my opinion. Yes, I've probably done worse but I came away a bit disappointed. (something to do with reverence for one's quarry) | |||
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I too have a single .700 NE cartridge - it's a paperweight on my desk. I was playing with it in my office olne day with an odd gleam in my eye when my wife walked in to ask me a question. She stopped mid-sentance, her jaw went a little slack and she said: "No. Absolutely NOT!" And then she turned and walked rather quickly out of my office. I still chuckle about that event. It's a helluva cartridge that absolutely makes the .375 H&H next to it seem positively small. Regards, Robert ****************************** H4350! It stays crunchy in milk longer! | |||
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Ok, I know I will never own a 700 NE rifle. But a cartridge, now that would be a real paper weight. Or maybe a 4 bore? Does any one know how I can I find one to be buy? Chip Pitcairn | |||
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I believe there were some four bore rounds in the classifieds here not long ago. ------------------------------- Some Pictures from Namibia Some Pictures from Zimbabwe An Elephant Story | |||
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i still think an RPG would be more effective with less recoil. better yet, a wire guided Javelin anti-tank round Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Yeah, but humping that Javelin through the bush would get old after a while, unless you are 22. | |||
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humping a 700 NE would likewise get old in a hurry. i guess that's what a "gunbearer" is for. Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Probably a picture of someone wit small hands but was on Google under 700NE  Also take a look at this video: Here You'd be really dissapointed if you shot something with that and it ran even 5 metres!!  FB | |||
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The correct name is the .700 Holland & Holland, not the .700 NE. 577NitroExpress Double Rifle Shooters Society Francotte .470 Nitro Express  If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming... | |||
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Can I just call it That big F***ing Gun? Chip Pitcairn | |||
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I watched the sequence in slow motion last night off the DVR. Since it was almost dark when they shot the elephant, you could see the double muzzle flash from Craig's .600 and the concussion knocking off the other guys hat....really something. If you listen carefully, you can also hear Craig say that he was sorry for what happened right after Ivan asks if he was ok. Even though Ivan commented earlier that it was in essence comforting to go into the thick stuff with a .577, .600 and .700 and all that firepower, I'm not so sure. If the elephant would have come for them right after the initial volley, I'm not sure that anyone other than Ivan (probably more than enough) would have been all that capable of quickly responding. IMHO both the hunter and Craig would have been better off with a little less gun and a touch more awareness. They both looked like someone set off a flashbang grenade under their feet. | |||
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I saw that last night too. Looked to me like Ivan didn't have any trouble with that 700 when they were practicing. And I thought Craig's piece had doubled....but didn't know what he was carrying. Also....anyone else note that the client fired the REAR barrel first on that 700? I'll stick to my 500 Jeff or 450 NE thank you. Gary DRSS NRA Lifer SCI DSC | |||
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Dear EB The clip in question has generated a lot of chatter (good) but there have been some comments that need to be addressed. I too, in the studio, looked at the footage of the .600 doubling on Craig,and do see how you may have thought the concussion knocked Bills hat off. Thankfully that WAS NOT the case. Craig had moved up shoulder to shoulder to Bill when the shooting started. For those of you who have not shot a .700, believe me when I say that thing will rock you. After Bills shot, his hat spins sideways on his head leaving him looking like a real white rap star. As Craig experiences the savage double tap to his left, Bill lets the second barrel off and it finishes the "de-hatting" the first barrel had started. Craig has vast experience with big bore doubles and shoots them very well, but like I said earlier , anyone of less stature than Andre The Giant is going to be really jolted by a double tap of a .600. In no way did the muzzle blast knock off Bills hat as Craig and Bill were shoulder to shoulder. As to what is too big of a gun ,that is up to each of us as to our recoil tolerance and bank balance. But it was not a stunt, just two guys having fun elephant hunting with the real heavyweights in the big bore world. Dave Fulson | |||
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Dave, I never thought and certainly didn't intend to imply that any of this was a stunt, far from it; it was just what can happen when you are engaged in a potentially dangerous activity that has a lot of variables that aren't controllable. I actually thought Craig was very gracious after having been very surprisedly hammered. I thoroughly enjoy all of your and Craig's shows and have nothing but good things to say about them, including the conservation aspects. Take care | |||
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You'd better tell Kynamco because they call it the 700 NE!! ------------------------------- Will / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor, GOA, NAGR _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped. “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ If anything be of note, let it be he was once an elephant hunter, hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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For sure it is the 700 H&H. Carrying an 18lbs rifle is quite frankly a stunt. The creation of the 700H&H is quite frankly a stunt. It certainly isn't needed. I'm not nocking Mr. Boddington or anyone that uses it just stating the obvious. At least I thought it was obvious. Brett DRSS Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member WSF Rhyme of the Sheep Hunter May fordings never be too deep, And alders not too thick; May rock slides never be too steep And ridges not too slick. And may your bullets shoot as swell As Fred Bear's arrow's flew; And may your nose work just as well As Jack O'Connor's too. May winds be never at your tail When stalking down the steep; May bears be never on your trail When packing out your sheep. May the hundred pounds upon you Not make you break or trip; And may the plane in which you flew Await you at the strip. -Seth Peterson | |||
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Am I right that the story of the 700H+H/NE goes something like this. H+H had just made a 600NE and claimed that it would be the last of its calibre that would ever be made. A while later in comes a new buyer who wants a 600 built. "Sorry sir, but we said we wouldn't make those again" comes the reply. "well in that case" says the customer , "Did you ever say that you wouldn't make anymore of a 700NE?". When Mr H+H confirme that they have no such restriction on them, the new calibre was born. Anyway I think that's how it went, others should know better than I. FB | |||
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Hell, a M79 is lighter and will certainly get anyone's attention | |||
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Correct, Bill Feldstein was the buyer/co-developer. As I understand it H&H has now actually built .600's since then...? | |||
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Just watched it in slow motion frame by frame with my DVR. No doubt they were shoulder to shoulder by the time Boddington doubled. You can see Bill touch off his second barrel just before the Craig doubles. WOW that had to hurt like hell. "The best laid plans of mice and men often go awry" - Robert Burns | |||
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I just saw that show and all I could think of was "Yikes" when I saw the recoil of Craig's shot. I had not contemplated of a double-shot though. You won't see that on the numerous white-tail programs. -eric " . . . a gun is better worn and with bloom off---So is a saddle---People too by God." -EH | |||
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Kynoch in UK will sell full 5 packs of 700NE/H&H and even single rounds at SCI or DSC shows from thier booth...some are inert...and I recall they also sell 4 Bore rounds...if not, cartridge collectors have them...they are VERY expensive!! Last price I have seen on real H&H 700 rounds...$175/round...and the nice little wood box...even more...Impressive on the desk!! I had a 577 H&H Royal double on me at a shooting event several years ago...don't want to go there again!! Knocked my hat and glasses off, pushed me back 2 steps and around about 120 degrees to the right....and I weighed in at 225 at the time!! Fortunately, I didn't drop the $100K rifle belonging to a friend/competitor!! I love my 470... 470EDDY | |||
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let me see if i have this right- a rifle that costs upwards of $100,000 doubles on you. man o man, quality control just ain't what it used to be!!!!! Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Har, har! Nice one! ______________________ Hunting: I'd kill to participate. | |||
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That would be a 4-Bore round not 700 H&H. The 700 is puny compared to the 4-Bore. | |||
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