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Today I went out and shot my 375 H&H trying to find a solid load that would group near my 300 grain TSX loads to use for Cape Buffalo this June in Zimbabwe. The middle target is where my 300 grain TSX load groups (1/2" high at 100 yards) the top left group is a three shot group using the 300 grain Barnes flat point solids. The other groups are using the 270 grain Barnes FP solids. Ignore the 22 holes, I was testing my scope on my 10/22.  Here's a close up of the 300 g FP solids group. It looks like about .2" or .3" but I can't measure it precisely enough. It shoots about 1" higher and 1/2" to the left of my TSX load.  How close do I have to get the solids to hit to the POI of my TSX loads? Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | ||
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in my opinion you are there - remember you are shooting a target area thats about 18 inches at the very least in diameter - all your shots are within that and the two groups seem to be within about 2 or 3 inches of each other -the 300grn tsx and the 300grn fp atre groupiong fine for buffalo. "The greatest threat to our wildlife is the thought that someone else will save it” www.facebook.com/ivancartersafrica www.ivancarterwca.org www.ivancarter.com ivan@ivancarter.com | |||
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Are PHs still recommending solid follow ups for buffalo? I thought with the advent of premium bullets like the TSX, North Fork and A-Frames, that they were no longer required or recommended? By the way, I'm not expressing an opinion, just asking the question. Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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personally i prefer softs all the way - and thats what i recommend - "The greatest threat to our wildlife is the thought that someone else will save it” www.facebook.com/ivancartersafrica www.ivancarterwca.org www.ivancarter.com ivan@ivancarter.com | |||
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Plenty close enough to kill anything you choose to shoot at. Besides, if you're right handed you will jerk the trigger hard enough on any follow up shot to move it over!  | |||
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BINGO. Don't fix that which is not broken. | |||
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With the current crop of excellent bullets, solids are only recommended for elephants. | |||
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Frank They are all the same group IMO. Only 300 yards results would show any functional/practical difference to me. If you shoot wrong (doubt it) it'll not be the load(s). Barry _______________________ | |||
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That .375 will shoot, Frank! I say good enough! Remember, most of your shots will be less than 100 yards so POI for the two loads is excellent. On the plains of hesitation lie the bleached bones of ten thousand, who on the dawn of victory lay down their weary heads resting, and there resting, died. If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch... Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son! - Rudyard Kipling Life grows grim without senseless indulgence. | |||
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Frank, if the target was a grapefruit all hit in the killzone. No walking away. Don't get toooo technical. By the way great shooting.  Mike  | |||
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The two points of impact are the functional equivalent of sub 1/2 MOB. That would be Minute of Buffalo. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Frank, I wouldn't change a thing. My 375 Weatherby will group 3 Barnes solids and 3 TSXs in a 2" group at a 100 yds. I consider that adeguate for anything from duikers to ele and your rifle shoots better than that!!!!!!!!!! Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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I think Frank is bragging!  Nice shooting and make the first shot count! Graybird "Make no mistake, it's not revenge he's after ... it's the reckoning." | |||
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PH didn't want solids loaded on either of the two buff hunts I made in Tanzania the last few years. The new softs are sturdy enough for a .375, apparently. Just take A Frames or TSX's and don't worry about it. | |||
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Thanks guys, I'll save the the solids for steenbok and duiker and use the TSX on the buffalo, eland etc. Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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Get yer heart rate to 150, shoot off sticks and then shoot a mixed group of solids and softs and I bet you will find they all group the same. Good luck! | |||
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Frank, I went back and looked at your targets again. It is ver y interesting to me that all three loads one of which is a 270 grainer essentailly all have the same POI. My soft point loads in 300 and 270 grains have always shot to dramatically differnt POI. These Barnes bullets are unique animals. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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I have a CZ 550FS in 9.3 X 62 and a Sako .375 H & H that both will shoot groups of solids and softs to within less than an inch of each other using Barnes TSX and Barnes solids. Just a slight tweak of the loads brought these two combinations together in both rifles. Also Nosler partitions in the 9.3 group to the exact same POA as the Barnes. Maybe I am just picky, but with a little effort if you handload this shouldn't be something you can't accomplish as well. Larry Sellers SCI Life Member | |||
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As Ivan said, you are probably there, but you might try the "triad" of North Forks before going hunting.  This was with a 450 Dakota at 100 yards and using just a 3-X scope. About 3/4 x 1/2 inch group. Andy | |||
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