Ladies and Gentlemen

I'm sure this subject has been covered a thousand times and I apologize(sp). I always wanted to hunt a big Tusker, so I was curious as to how much a hunt would cost in Tanzania for a two or three week hunt? With no hidden cost!!! Thanks for you're reply.

Steve

Around $65-70,000, if you go alone.

Most Tanz Elephant hunts wil be a full 21-day affair. On these hunts you can shoot the majority of the animals on a 21-day license. Sometimes, they may not allow cats, but usually they do.

All in, gov fees, charters, day rate will run between $40K-$50K. Then there are some that will run substantially more.

Then you can start adding your trophy fees.

Now, Since you asked ...

I have a 14-day Elephant hunt in Western Tanzania for $25,200. This includes Daily rate
Gov day fees, license, export fees, Dip and Pack fees, import license for 2 guns.

On top of this add an Elephant trophy fee of $15,000.

Kigosi Elephant Hunt

The trophy fee on the Elephant is weighted to reflect the success rate. If you do not shoot an Elephant, you have paid a fair price for a 14-day Buffalo and plainsgame hunt where you can shoot Sable, Roan, Sitatunga, Waterbuck, Hippo etc. If you do shoot the Elephant, you have paid a fair price for a successful Elephant hunt.

Success on this 14-day hunt should be very high. Ivory here is usually more "Zim" looking ivory. Not thin, like Selous Ivory, but not fat Botswana tusks.

Anyone know what the going rates are for a tuskless bull or cow or possibly a PAC elephant hunt?

I want to hunt elephant sometime in the next few years but a big tusker will never really be within my budget - to be honest, given the $$ I'd rather hunt 2 or 3 tuskless or cows over one big tusker... the meaner the better......

In Zim, I have an Elephant Cow hunt that is 5-days at $750/day + $3000 trophy fee.

$6750

To this add:
2% VAT ($135)
Tansfer to camp; Road transfer $250 R/T, or, Charter $1500 R/T.

Wendell,

I thought an ele hunt on anything under 21 days was not licensed in TZ. How can I add a hippo to a buff hunt?

You can do a 10, 14, 18 day hunt with a 21-day license. It is all up to the operator as to how many days he will require you to pay for. You can do a 7-day hunt on a 21-day license, but they are not cheap! On any of these, you will pay the government all the fees associated with a 21-day license.

Unfortunately, to add a Hippo on to a Tanzania Buffalo hunt would be extremely expensive since the Hippo is on the 21-day license. You are better off to do the Hippo in the Caprivi or in Zimbabwe where it is more affordable.

As an example A 10-day Hunt with a 7, 14 and 21 day license would cost as follows.

7-day license - $14,000
14-day License $16,000
21-day License $23,000

Wendell,
Is Dean Kendell doing any of these hunts?

Yes, Dean hunted almost full time in Kigosi last year. He is scheduled to do hunts from the middle of August onward.

Most of the elephant hunts in Tanzania are in Selous, which offer long tusks, but not much weight. Other hunts take place on the Northwest and south east in Tanzania. Depending on the outfitter, elephant hunts can range from $30,000 to $85,000. Tanzania elephants must meet the legal requirement of either 17 kg (38 lbs)weight or 150 cm (5 ft) in lengt.

Wendell is anything importable into the US on the tuskless ele cow hunts? Thanks much.

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Originally posted by kudu4u:
Wendell is anything importable into the US on the tuskless ele cow hunts? Thanks much.

No, Cows are not eligible for export.

The least expensive exportable Bull hunt I have is a 10-day hunt at $800/day + trophy fee of $8000. This is a non-trophy Bull, meaning it will weigh less than 35lbs.

Not a bad hunt for someone who wants the experience of Elephant hunting and wants an exportable Elephant with decent tusks.

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Originally posted by Wendell Reich:
In Zim, I have an Elephant Cow hunt that is 5-days at $750/day + $3000 trophy fee.

$6750

To this add:
2% VAT ($135)
Tansfer to camp; Road transfer $250 R/T, or, Charter $1500 R/T.

Wow, it's cheaper to hunt elephant than buffalo.

Fjold we need a link to the full length version of your avitar!

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As an example A 10-day Hunt with a 7, 14 and 21 day license would cost as follows.

7-day license - $14,000
14-day License $16,000
21-day License $23,000

This seems odd to me....how is it legal to do a 10 day hunt on a 7 day license?

Canuck

The outfitter is cutting you slack in the # of days he is requiring you to be on safari. You still buy a 21 day license from TZ (thru the outfitter) and hunt on that, the species being unavailable on licenses of shorter duration. A license fee for any hunt is included in your safari base rate of say someteen thousand dollars for 10 days for a 2 buff hunt and some common PG.

I'd feel comfortable going for hippo on a shorter hunt but maybe not any other animal on a 21 day license. Time is important, then you may wish you had more of it if you get to the end of you shortened safari and haven't bagged what you came for.

(Am I any good at explaining this?)

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Originally posted by Canuck:

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As an example A 10-day Hunt with a 7, 14 and 21 day license would cost as follows.

7-day license - $14,000
14-day License $16,000
21-day License $23,000

This seems odd to me....how is it legal to do a 10 day hunt on a 7 day license?

Canuck

Licenses only come in 3 flavors, as far as what animals are included on the licese. 7, 14 and 21

If you are on a 10-day hunt, you will still pay the government 10 days worth of gov fees but you will be limited to shooting the animals listed on the 7-day license, unless you pay more for a 14-day License to have more animals added to the list of what you can legally shoot. ( and pay more to the safari operator for the privlege of being allowed to hunt the additional animals).

There is also a 16 day license.

Bwanamich

16days License in TZ are Yesterday.
There are only 7, 14, 21 days License allowed by the Wildlife Department.
Mayby you will sell a private 16 days License to some poor Tourist Hunters

The minimum required days to hunt in Tanzania is 7 days, however, one can purchase 7 or more days by paying the appropriate fees. However, animals are classified by the government based on days (7,14,21). In this case 7-13 days will allow only 7 days animals, 14-20 days will allow only 14 days animals, and 21+ days will allow only 21 days animals.

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Originally posted by mboga biga bwana:
Bwanamich

16days License in TZ are Yesterday.
There are only 7, 14, 21 days License allowed by the Wildlife Department.
Mayby you will sell a private 16 days License to some poor Tourist Hunters

Sorry you are wrong! 16 day license still exist. Check your sources/facts before you try to make a fool out of someone lest it turns around and bites you.........

Bwanamich is (as usual) quite correct - 16 day licences are still available. There was talk a while ago of scrapping them and it may even have happened for a short while but they're definately now available......

Wendell -

Is five days long enough to hunt a tuskless elephant? I read that tuskless elephant hunt was even more time demanding - it took much more tracking and moving in and out of the elephants to find a tuskless elephant without a baby. I also heard that in many ways it is much more exciting because of the constant interaction with the elephants.

- Brian

Littlbigd,

They are not tuskless Cows, so, yes 5-days is sufficient. You are right though. To get a shot on a tuskless would be more difficult than just trying to shoot any Cow.

Steve, a clarification re: my price estimate of $65-70,000 posted above.

In quoting the price I did, which is at the high end of the prices posted above, I made some assumptions:

First, that you would not just buy a 21 day license, but would actually hunt for the full 21 days.

Second, that you would be hunting for a trophy bull elephant, meaning one at or preferably well above the 17kg minimum weight and 1.7m minimum length for the major tusk.

Third, that you would want to hunt in an area where the odds of finding such an elephant are in your favor, namely, the southern Selous.

Fourth, that you would pay the going daily rate for outfitters that offer these things, which is at or over $2,000 per day, depending on the outfitter.

Fifth and last, that you would pay a trophy fee of $5,000 (which is the minimum charged by and payable directly to the TZ government, without any mark-up by the outfitter) to perhaps as much as $15,000 (reflecting a 300% outfitter's mark-up).

As for the 16 day license, I understand that it is still available, as Bwanamich and shakari have said, but that it no longer includes lion, which used to be its big selling point.

It's a bit like asking how long is a piece of string.... I can offer a 21 hunt inclusive of everything except rifle import, trophy fees and tips for US$38990 or I can offer one for close to twice that - the main difference being one has an excellent camp and the other has extras such as persian carpets on the floor and silver service dining. - As the Selous is entirely unfenced and game is free to (and does) follow the rains and grazing and both areas are close (well, relatively so!) to each other the hunting is of a similar standard. - that being true wilderness hunting.

Both camps/areas have a place in the marketplace and there are clients out there who prefer both setups. - So it's really a case of you pick whichever one you think is most suitable to your needs, tastes and finances.

FWIW, I've been hunting Tanzania for some years and I can't remember a time when Lion was on a 16 day licence....... I could be wrong, as I no longer have a perfect memory but if they were on a 16 day licence I reckon it was a very long time ago....... However, I have occasionally seen strange adverts offering 21 day species on shorter hunt periods but my guess is they are 21 day licences offered on shorter hunt periods to stretch the quota.

Steve, I believe in 2001 they took Lion off the 16-day license.

So is there both a 14 and a 16 day license? Any difference in available trophies between the two?

Or is anyone talking in terms of the 14 day really mean a 16 day?

Wendell,

I'll have to check my paperwork - but I'd be/am suprised if it were as late that...... but maybe that's just oldtimers disease setting in huh?

btglfer,

There are differences but as far as I can recollect nothing of great consequence by way DG.

btglfer, I believe that these days the 16 day license, as compared with the 14 day license, gets you a third buffalo and maybe a crocodile, although I can't remember for sure.

shakari, I can't be as precise as Wendell, but I do know that lion were definitely on the 16 day license when I first started seriously thinking about these things in the mid to late '90s.

Lion used to be on 16 day. The Gov seeking more revenue upgraded a whole lot of species to this 21 day license from the 16, including lion. The change occurred I believe in 1999 or 2000.

16 day license includes all 14 day species + 3rd buff, 2nd impala, 2 warthog, wild cat and a few extra monkeys

Flatdog is available on both 14 & 16 day licences.

Personally, I think it'd make sense to scrap the 16 day licence, and have something like a 7 day licence as it is now, the 14 day licence allowing 2 or possibly 3 Buff, 1 Hippo OR Croc and one cat plus PG, a 21 day licence allowing 3 Buff, 2 cats, 1 Hippo and 1 croc plus PG and a 28 day licence allowing 3 Buff, 1 or maybe 2 Hippo and Croc and 1 each of Lion Leopard and Elephant plus of course PG. - I get an idea something similar was suggested in the Baldus report.....

What I think the government should do is allow the northern species, L. Kudu, Gerenuk, Oryx on a 10 days license, and double the trophy fees because hunting these animals in the north usually takes 10 days or less. Very few people will pay 21 days to hunt these animals unless they are already on a 21-28 days safari for DG.

I'm not of the same idea. These are very rare species huntable only in Tz and Ethiopia and a huge drawing card to collectors and other hunters. Outfitters need to maximise their value IMHO. Even doubling trophy fees would still make them "affordable" compared to fees of more common species offered elsewhere.

By the way, i apologise for the

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Originally posted by Bwanamich:
I'm not of the same idea. These are very rare species huntable only in Tz and Ethiopia and a huge drawing card to collectors and other hunters. Outfitters need to maximise their value IMHO. Even doubling trophy fees would still make them "affordable" compared to fees of more common species offered elsewhere.

That is very true case, but it is not realistic. The problem is that not all outfitters have access to northern areas, and some who do, don't have good drawing card areas such as good lion areas. These animals being on a 10 days license does not make them cheap. The outfitter can charge a particular price for them. It is all about how one markets the item and valuing the assets they have. But, I don't believe there is a market out there to sell all of the L.Kudu, gerenuk, and Oryx for $40,000. The only exception is very few people who are collectors or who want some kind of an award from an organization.