I've heard alot of good things lately about the 45-70 being used in Africa on dangerous game. What do you guys think? All advise is welcome.

Here we go again!

eyedoc:

School holiday times are here again. We can expect all the old controversial threads & subjects from yonks ago to be revived in the coming weeks.

Not me brother - I have no desire to be trampled, eaten, etc.

DG require big magnum/nitro calibers

Was it something I said?

Ditch,

Use the search tool and you'll find this subject beat to death.

The vast majority here wouldn't attempt it. The 45-70 lacks the energy most, myself included, feel it necessary for the big, mean stuff.

David

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Originally posted by x2mosg:
Ditch,

Use the search tool and you'll find this subject beat to death.

The vast majority here wouldn't attempt it. The 45-70 lacks the energy most, myself included, feel it necessary for the big, mean stuff.

David

Thanks David, for your information and not resorting to name calling. "Shikari" is apparently waaaay too cool to offer anything constructive.

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Originally posted by ditch:

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Originally posted by x2mosg:
Ditch,

Use the search tool and you'll find this subject beat to death.

The vast majority here wouldn't attempt it. The 45-70 lacks the energy most, myself included, feel it necessary for the big, mean stuff.

David

Thanks David, for your information and not resorting to name calling. "Shikari" is apparently waaaay too cool to offer anything constructive.

Don't be so quick to judge. Shakari is a great asset to this site. This is simply a topic that has been beaten to death and beyond, so don't take the opinions expressed to heart.

Thanks Whit.

Ditch,,We should say welcome to AR with you being a new member. There is a wealth of knowledge on this site and many have been a valuable asset to me with advice from what grain bullets to what socks to wear on safari. Unfortunately,, many subjects have been beat to death here and there was no way for you to know that,, as a new poster, my advice is look under tools and search the subject first and not only will you be able to check all prior posts on a subject but you will get tons more advice on the subject matter and then you will have all the history and new posts will make more sense to you. Hang in there and good luck. wes

Ditch,
the 45-70 will punch a nice hole in just about any species of plainsgame and will kill it just as dead as if you head shot it with a 700NE.
That said, it's been hashed out here in regular severity that the 'ol 70 lacks the punch for the big mean stuff..
Been done, but not many recomend it!
Welcome to the site!

That should cover it!

Keith

Ditch, welcome to Accurate reloading, this is one of the best if not THE best place in cyberspace to gather information on anything African, or firarms for use in Africa. As you found out in short order the 45-70 is not among that group of reccomended cartridges for anything bigger or meaner than a black bear!

Don't let that run you away, the responces are the result of some very hottly contested exchanges on the old Indian killer for use in Africa's big five. However you will find, if you stay long, that the people here know of which they speak, and you can gain a real education here if you stay open minded, and use the advice freely given to you. These people have nothing to gain by telling lies about the needs of a safari hunter, to best insure the best end to his safari!
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Oh, B-S! The ol' 45/70 loaded up with Garrett Hammerheads will kill anything on this planet except the Blue Whale!!!! Especially if it is a a SXS double (with no scope, of course), and, if it doesn't do the job, well, that's why we pay a PH! Now, the double should be regulated so that the shots converge at no more than 50 yards. Let's see, what have I left out.....?
That should get this thread going!!!
Peter.

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Originally posted by MacD37:
As you found out in short order the 45-70 is not among that group of reccomended cartridges for anything bigger or meaner than a black bear!

Thank God you didn't say that on the Alaska outdoor forum!!!!! Aparently you haven't heard that 45-70s are the best thing since sliced bread for brown bear.

Brett

PS. ...and they out penetrate a 458win!

In at least some African countries, the 45-70 is illegal to hunt dangerous game with, as it does not posses the necessary muzzle energy to meet game law requirements

not sure why this forum goes ballistic everytime a good old American lever cartridge is brought up but to each their own

my humble suggestion is not to respond

however I don't understand why some don't seem to realize that the old 45-70 Government round has been modernized into 45-70 loads that can function in Africa and function adequately for all plainsgame and probably for most dangerous game

it certainly is not for shooting at long range IMO

would I use one, no but that's my choice

for your continued enjoyment (TKO = Taylor knock-out value)

375 H&H 300 grain bullet at 2530 fps = TKO of 40

Garrett's 45-70 exciter ammo 500 grain Hornady Copper-Clad Steel Jacketed Flatnose Solid at 1530-fps = TKO of 50

416 Rigby 400 grain bullet at 2420 fps = TKO of 57

I understand others also load up the 45-70

There is an article in The African Hunter magazine, Volume 14 Number 6, about hunting with classic calibers.

Very interesting.

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Originally posted by odie:
not sure why this forum goes ballistic everytime a good old American lever cartridge is brought up but to each their own

my humble suggestion is not to respond

however I don't understand why some don't seem to realize that the old 45-70 Government round has been modernized into 45-70 loads that can function in Africa and function adequately for all plainsgame and probably for most dangerous game

it certainly is not for shooting at long range IMO

would I use one, no but that's my choice

for your continued enjoyment (TKO = Taylor knock-out value)

375 H&H 300 grain bullet at 2530 fps = TKO of 40

Garrett's 45-70 exciter ammo 500 grain Hornady Copper-Clad Steel Jacketed Flatnose Solid at 1530-fps = TKO of 50

416 Rigby 400 grain bullet at 2420 fps = TKO of 57

I understand others also load up the 45-70

I agree with you on most points here. It is a capable killer and to each there own. But bows are capable killers as well. Because something is a capable killer doesn't mean it's ideal or that using it isn't a stunt. I'm an avid bow hunter and will very likely shoot a brown bear with my bow. I'd love to shoot a elephant with my bow some day, but I'm under no illusions. It's a stunt! Can it be done sure and it has been done, but I'm sure not doing it because a bow is the most affective weapon. I think people get in trouble here and get attacked about 45-70s because they come in here with the attitude that the 45-70 is in no way inferior to modern dangerous game rifles. And then they start spewing Garrett BS about 45-70s out performing 458win. Randy Garrett may dictate the BS he uses to sell rifles and ammo, but he sure doesn't dictate physics. At least not the last time I checked!!

Brett

Much like hunting DG w/ a handgun or bow, sure it can be done, but it may prove less than ideal if things go wrong.

ditch... first off it can be used but is it legal and have enough energy??? With solids it can work... One has to wonder if it jams or a shell does not eject...
But my philosophy is do you want one of the light weight guns in your hands if the proverbial shit hits the fan... A 45/70 can kill but I want more energy to stop a buf up close and personal...

Mike