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On Most of the individual discussions I see at least one or two people talk about "Premium Bullets" in Africa. What do most people consider "Premium" for say the 30-06 and the .300 Win, and also the .375?? I was thinking the Nosler Partitions and the TBBC for the .30's, but I do not have any experience with the bigger stuff. Any Ideas or Input?? Mink and Wall Tents don't go together. Especially when you are sleeping in the Wall Tent. DRSS .470 & .500 | ||
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continue with that line of thought, partitions and TBBC are great choices.jj LostHorizonsOutfitters.com ---------------------------- "You may all go to hell, and I will go to Texas" Davy Crockett 1835 ---------------------------- | |||
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I consider any bonded bullet to be premium....this includes the North fork, Woodleigh, accubond, interbond, TBBC , Swift A-Frame, Swift scirocco and .....help me out here guys. I personally don't consider the Nosler Partition to be a premium bullet.....but the folks on this forum disagree with me about 100 to 1. /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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I think the Accubond and Interbond are no better than their non-bonded stablemates, at least they have not behaved any differently for me. The Partition IS defintely a premium, the 1st premium bullet ever made, IMO. | |||
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Nosler Partitions are not exactly premium bullets by today's definition of the term. Noslers only retain 60-65% of their weight, which is not optimal for deep penetration. Try North Forks instead. http://www.northforkbullets.com | |||
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Partition's not premium?  Doesn't penetrate? Depends on what it's shot from. If it's launched at over 3200fps, and strikes within 200 yards you can count on explosive wound channel in the first 6" or so of penetration. During this rapid expansion, the front 30% of the bullet will be ripped away. The remaining one caliber cylinder will penetrate like a light for caliber solid, and usually exit most thin skinned animals on broadside shots. If launched at much less than 3200 fps or striking past 200 yards, it often doesn't lose the front portion, and is often found under the far side hide, but no exit, little blood. Though I've little experience with the newer bonded bullets, the Sciroccos I tried when they first came out tended to expand great, but nearly never exited the far side. Exit wounds are preferred... IMHO. Why not the solid copper bullets like Barnes X, Triple shock, GS, etc. Safe Hunting Clint | |||
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500gr, the NP is the original premium bullet & is what others strive to duplicate or improve upon. The 65% ret.wt. is about a worst case scenario, the only one I have ever recovered was 80%. LIFE IS NOT A SPECTATOR'S SPORT! | |||
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I was looking on Northforks site. I like what the bullet shows, but how is the accuracy on these. They are not boattailed like the Noslers, or some of the other lines. Is this a hinderance for accuracy? Mink and Wall Tents don't go together. Especially when you are sleeping in the Wall Tent. DRSS .470 & .500 | |||
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Mink and Wall Tents don't go together. Especially when you are sleeping in the Wall Tent. DRSS .470 & .500 | |||
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I have not used North Fork, but my friends that have report excellent performance. I would not hesitate to try them. I personally define a "premium bullet" by how well it kills, not by % weight retention. By any real life performance measurement, the Partition has never failed to perform for me on big game- large or small. Ditto for X bullets. | |||
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First cholice would be bullets made of copper. Like the Barnes X, JS Custom and so on. Second would be those that have a solid shank, like the Trophy Bonded Bear Claws, and Jensen bullets. Third would be those that have a partition, like the Swift A-Frame and Nosler Partition. | |||
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My experience with the Nosler Partition was shooting a bull Elk at 25 yards straight on. It went through a two inch oak limb and hit him full in the chest, penetrating to the stomach wall. It was a 150 gr. 7 m/m from a .280 Remington and the recovered weight was 87 grs. I shot an Impala at 65 yards straight on with a 160 gr. Swift A-Frame with the same cartridge and the bullet was found in the paunch and weighed 157 grs. I think I will stick with the Swift even though I certainly wouldn't call the Nosler a failure. "I ask, sir, what is the Militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effective way to enslave them" - George Mason, co-author of the Second Amendment during the Virginia convention to ratify the Constitution | |||
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sierrabravo45 ----- My advice to you about the accuracy of the North Fork bullet is simply, shoot the bullets. Take any chambering you want to shoot and shoot it with any other premium bullet you want to pick and eventually you will determine the North Fork to be the most accurate premium bullet offered in the U.S. I have never shot the GS or Jensen bullets, they may compare, I have shot the North Forks very extensively from .284 up to .416 and can say that without a doubt they are as accurate or more accurate than any premium bullet I shoot with all my rifles. Those mushrooms they show are the real thing according to the bullets I have recovered from animals, try them and you will see for yourself. ----- And yes, my AR friends, idiots, or whatever we are, the Nosler Partition is a premium bullet by any definition of the word and always will be.   Good shootig.phurley | |||
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In smaller calibers, the few Nosler Patitions that I have recoevered have retained from 60 to 75% of their weight. The amount retained appears to be dependent on muzzle velocity and distance to the animal. The larger bullets from the 338 250 gr. up appear to have the partition much farther forward and retain from 80 to 95% in my experience. 465H&H | |||
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We were hunting in the Oomkamas(sp) valley of South Africa and this place has big bodied kudu. My friend shot a monster kudu with a .300 Win Mag at about 150 yards. The bull was hit at the junction of the neck and shoulder. The 180gr partition really came apart. I have it and if I weren't such a dope with a computer I would post a picture of it. The bull required a followup with several more shots. I know any bullet can fail but I believe the Swift to be a much more reliable bullet on big game than the partition. | |||
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I have to go to battle with 500 grs. on the Noslers, they will out penetrate any bullet on the market other than the monolithics and they will certainly out penetrate a NorthFork soft, but not a Northfork cup point or solid... I consider Noslers a premium bullet in the same class with Northfork,, GS Customs, and Woodleighs, and these are the bullets I use today... I believe Trophy bonded bear claws are too soft for the big stuff and Swifts are too smooth and round on expansion and tend to allow an animal a long bloodless trail on ocassion...BarnesX and Nosler failsafes work great on big heavy stuff like buffalo but I have seen them both fail miserably on plainsgame from time to time.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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When Jack Carter owned Trophy Bonded, I only used his bullets. After Jack had some difficulty with Federal, I started useing Swift A-Frame and have never regreted it. Trophy Bonded or Swift A-Frame have never dissapointed me on many trips to Africa. IMO there are many good bullets being made today. Buy quality. CHEERS | |||
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The origional premium Bullets were Bitterroot Bonded core.They were so far ahead of the times,that Speer were always offering to buy Bill Steigers out and gain the process. As time has gone on,they were able to COPY the process and market it as theirs. Let give credit where credit is due... | |||
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