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Chapstick insists that o e should wait 15-20 minutes before following up on an animal when shot and it runs off.

A load of bloody rubbish!

In all my hunting, with many professional hunters, and regardless of the animal, we have always ran after it as soon as we could.

We decide our next move once we know where the animal is.

Here is an example.

We were at a lion bait early in the morning.

The lion came, but did not go to the bait.

Instead he laid down in the bush where we could not see him.

We stayed until well after sun up.

Our truck came, and drove away.

Not long after we saw him lying in the grass in the bush.

He was about 50-60 yards away, but hidden except for part of his head and ears.

He was facing us, and not too much bothered.

I had my rifle on him, and waited.

Eventually he got up, and I had a very narrow window to shoot.

I fired at him, and he took off into the thicket.

We ran to where he was, found blood, and as we started following it, we heard him growling close by.

Alan had a big smile on his face, saying “he is finished! He is dying.”

We tried looking for him, and saw him lying, we approached him, and found him stone dead!


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Circumstances may differ and therefore hunter actions must adapt.

What Capstick said has worked well for me on gut shot deer, Nilgai, and other exotics. In all cases, they humped up and walked (could not run well) a short distance and then laid down to die and within 10-20 minutes the were dead or so nearly so that they can be approached for a finishing shot.

BTW, I do not recommend gut shooting game, but lots of things can happen in 60+ years of hunting.
You are no doubt very experienced and can choose the best way to follow up on each wounded game situation.

BTW, I have all of Capstick's books and read them for entertainment, not to learn how to hunt. Wink


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I would say following up on a lion or leopard would have it's own rules about how quick to follow a wounded cat, than one might use on wounded cape buffalo, or elephant.


Having said the above, I will say I have no experience with following up on cats, but I think a wounded cat is far more likely to get to you if not VERY WELL hit than a Buffalo or elephant!


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Taylor said the client must be given time to smoke two cigarettes before commencing follow up on a buffalo.
 
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I have always given bow shot plainsgame at least 30min to an hour before following up.. They will normally go a couple hundred yards at the most and lie down. If you jump them too soon the adrenalin kicks in an it can be a long walk...

Rifle shot animals and dangerous game warrant a more aggressive approach..


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I most definitely would not want to go charging off after a wounded leopard immediately after the shot, but that’s just me.

Whatever floats your boat.

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Mostly, I’m with Saeed, you go ASAP.

In discussion with PH’s and guides, I’ve developed my philosophy on this...

It depends.

Lol!

The two biggest issues are proximity to a non cross able boundary and where I felt I hit the animal.

My goal is to minimize pain and suffering for the quarry first, safety for surrounding people (and the hunting team) second, preservation of meat, and lastly need to preserve the trophy.

If the animal is well hit, giving it a bit of a breather to settle down will allow it to die in peace. With gut shot animals, a bit more time tends to make it an easier follow up, but is not going to reduce pain and suffering.

A hard boundary, like a concession or NP boundary necessitates immediate follow up to avoid letting it cross, if you think you can get to it first- but not harassing it and letting it stiffen up is also helpful- location of wound and the nature of the boundary make a difference in the decision.

Pretty much, everything indicates rapid follow up except safety issues- either to the team or by pushing it into an area where folks can’t be expected to avoid the risk of contact with the wounded animal.
 
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After my full share of follow ups, I tend to agree with Saeed.

Not always, but 99% of the time.

I would say go right away, and go hard, and go fast.


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Taylor said the client must be given time to smoke two cigarettes before commencing follow up on a buffalo.


A couple of smokes for the PH maybe - could be his last. Big Grin
 
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Taylor said the client must be given time to smoke two cigarettes before commencing follow up on a buffalo.


More bullshit from Taylor.

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Chapstick insists that o e should wait 15-20 minutes before following up on an animal when shot and it runs off.

A load of bloody rubbish!

In all my hunting, with many professional hunters, and regardless of the animal, we have always ran after it as soon as we could.

So does Mark Sullivan. I always knew you and Mark hunted the same.
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Saeed Sullivan Safari company...where hunting is an adrenaline rush even in camp


Hell will freeze over before I deal with fake like Sullivan! clap


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It's all circumstantial.

Blood on the ground will give an accurate idea of where the animal is hit, but that doesn't translate into a quick/slow demise. A wounded buff, for arguments sake could charge after a 2 minute stalk, or after a 30 minute follow up. It boils down to preparedness for the worst.

Adrenaline is a wonderful thing, and not only for the wounded animal, but also for the pursuer. It makes you think correctly, and focuses your mind on the task at hand. Sit for 30 minutes, relax and take it easy......and let that adrenaline subside, at your own peril.

Nah, me.......I prefer an immediate follow up.
 
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Adrenaline is a wonderful thing, and not only for the wounded animal, but also for the pursuer. It makes you think correctly, and focuses your mind on the task at hand. Sit for 30 minutes, relax and take it easy......and let that adrenaline subside, at your own peril.

Nah, me.......I prefer an immediate follow up.


Letting the leopard or lion’s adrenaline subside might be a good thing as well.

Just saying.

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We used to follow up right away till one time we wounded a boar and it headed towards some thick chemise and oak brush. Big mistake. Boar came barreling out from about five yards or so and we could not get a shot off and luckily no one got hurt. Now we wait unless we see the animal go down.
 
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After my full share of follow ups, I tend to agree with Saeed.

Not always, but 99% of the time.

I would say go right away, and go hard, and go fast.


Agree as well. I prefer not to wait.
 
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What's the hurry? What is to be gained by going after it immediately? Usually animals run until they're satisfied that nothing is following them. Then they lie down and die if hit in the vitals.
 
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What is the point therefore of using this bullet and that bullet which has been glorified for its highly rated performance values and then running hell for leather after the shot animal?

Bullets are designed to inflict the highest possible damage to vital organs for the purpose of accelerating death and causing the animal to drop in the shortest possible distance and time frame.

Yes, there are well placed shots as there are shitty ones and if the bullet is not allowed to work and give the expected results which are not instantaneous unless it has found its mark and dropped the animal in its tracks, chasing it will not help, other than to raise its adrenaline, which is not what you really want unless you are geared up for a showdown (DG).

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I think sometimes people like change so much, they disregard the old knowledge just to be considered advanced.

I had one buffalo charge. This was after he was hit slightly off-shoulder, and then, hit properly for two more shots.

As I reloaded, the buff charged. He ran about 10 yards and fell. End of buff.

If we had immediately raced forward, the buff would have been close enough to reach us, notwithstanding another jolt of adrenaline.

If time is short due to darkness, or it is raining, than don't tary overlong, but usually little is gained by rushing in after a wounded animal.

A good tracker should be able to locate the animal if it is hit soundly.

JMO (and the opinion of a lot of the old African hunters).

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What is the point therefore of using this bullet and that bullet which has been glorified for its highly rated performance values and then running hell for leather after the shot animal?

Bullets are designed to inflict the highest possible damage to vital organs for the purpose of accelerating death and causing the animal to drop in the shortest possible distance and time frame.

Yes, there are well placed shots as there are shitty ones and if the bullet is not allowed to work and give the expected results which are not instantaneous unless it has found its mark and dropped the animal in its tracks, chasing it will not help, other than to raise its adrenaline, which is not what you really want unless you are geared up for a showdown (DG).

Whatever rocks your boat is the best way to go. Wink



That is definitely the philosophy with bowhunting since its all about bleeding and not impact energy.. Chasing after any bowshot animal too quickly is never a good idea.


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In “Africa’s Most Dangerous”, Dr. Robertson recommends waiting 15 minutes before follow up on wounded buff.

As I recall, most of the old time professionals also recommended waiting before going in after DG.

The only thing that has changed IMO is that everyone wants instant gratification nowadays.

Other than losing an animal because of property boundaries or darkness, I see no reason to rush (except in the US where other hunters might tag your kill).

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I know and love Chapstick. tu2 I rub it on my lips everyday. rotflmo With that being clarified, I agree with Saeed's initial assessment. tu2
 
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The one and only client I've had that was charged and hit by a buffalo was on an immediate follow up after the initial shot. They found lung blood right off an jumped into the thick stuff after the buffalo expecting to find him dead. It was getting dark and my client was scheduled to head home early the next day. The buffalo had only gone a short distance and was waiting for the hunters. He charged almost instantaneously hitting my client. He didn't even have time to raise his rifle.

The PH made the judgement call to follow up the buffalo that night rather than recover it without the client the next day. In my opinion the real error was made in shooting the buffalo at dusk but the PH obviously felt under pressure to get his client a buffalo.

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I had to deal with one wounded lion as an appy, about 5 weeks into my apprenticeship. The client, an 82 year old man from Europe, shot the lion with a .375 and then watched blankly while the thing growled and bucked, giving him plenty of time for a follow-up shot, especially since he was shooting a Blaser (I'm only half-joking, as they do cycle quickly). It ran toward a dense thicket and disappeared. Richard Bell-Cross sent the trackers to go get his father and another Landcruiser--one with an enclosed cab--with the plan for Rich's dad to drive us to the edge of the thicket while Rich and I stood in the back and used the height advantage to try to spot the cat sooner than we might on foot. After we reached the thicket, we'd have to get out and continue the follow-up on foot.

It took about 45 minutes from the time of the client's shot until Rich's dad got back to us--a fairly short time given the size of the GMA, but this cat had been baited fairly close to camp. During that wait, we repeatedly heard the lion growling from the direction of the thicket, but we never heard anything that sounded like blood in its lungs. It was early morning and quite cold out, and I tried to tell myself that my legs were only trembling because I was wearing PH short-shorts in the Zambian winter, but I knew that wasn't true. I looked over at Rich, who had stopped two lion charges the season before, and noticed that his legs were shaking too. This was both comforting and terrifying at the same time. In hindsight, I think it's just something that happens when adrenaline goes into overdrive, but make no mistake, it was a very scary situation. Rich reminded me that once on foot, I should take a knee when a lion charges to keep from shooting over it, as they come low and very, very fast. Then, we both practiced responding to the charge--he with his new .500 NE double and I with his .458 Win. Mag. Mauser. Take a knee, mount gun properly, shoot, work bolt or switch triggers, and shoot again. The idea was for it to all be automatic and very fast, as we would have almost no time to react, and certainly none for a screw-up like a bolt short-stroked or the front trigger pulled twice.

By the time we got in the back of the Landcruiser to begin the follow-up, the feeling was pretty grim, as we had heard additional growls that sounded just as strong as the first. But as we edged toward the thicket, Rich's lead tracker, Jingo, spotted the very top of the lion's mane in the tall grass. Covering it with our own guns, we edged the old man into position, and he blew the back of the cat's skull off with the Blaser. By that point, the lion had already bled out enough from what turned out to be a brisket shot that it couldn't muster the strength to charge. Had it been able to, it most certainly would have, and Rich and I would have been shooting downward onto it as it came for the vehicle, hoping to hit its central nervous system before it leapt up and nailed us.


The next year, in the second season of my apprenticeship, I dropped a charging wounded buffalo at twelve paces. It was a scary, adrenaline-charged event, but nothing like the wounded lion. Afterward, I felt myself craving another buffalo charge--a stupid thought but perhaps a common one for someone who has never been hit by a buffalo. In contrast, I never wanted to mess with another wounded lion--too hard to see before the charge, too fast, won't turn, and even more likely to kill you if they reach you. Oh, and before the follow-up, we let the buffalo bleed out for as long as it took the lead PH to smoke a cigarette. When we trailed it, we came to two or three pools of blood where it had been waiting for us. We finally found it lying down, deep in a thicket, just a dark blob in the brush. When the lead PH shot at what seemed to be the chest, it popped up, saw us, and came for us like a freight train through the thicket.

In the lion situation, I am 100% sure that we would have faced a charge had we not waited to follow up. In the buffalo situation, it's hard to tell if it made much difference. The buffalo likely got deeper into the thicket while we waited, and might have instead charged us from one of its earlier stops had we followed up sooner. Still, in the balance, I think waiting a bit makes good sense when dealing with dangerous game.
 
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I agree with Saeed about the need for immediate follow up, however I strongly disagree with “running” after wounded game with loaded firearms. Briskly walking is OK, but running with loaded firearms is an invitation to disaster IMHO. There are too many potholes, small animal borrows or loose rocks that can cause nasty falls and possible accidental discharges.


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I had to deal with one wounded lion as an appy, about 5 weeks into my apprenticeship. The client, an 82 year old man from Europe, shot the lion with a .375 and then watched blankly while the thing growled and bucked, giving him plenty of time for a follow-up shot, especially since he was shooting a Blaser (I'm only half-joking, as they do cycle quickly). It ran toward a dense thicket and disappeared. Richard Bell-Cross sent the trackers to go get his father and another Landcruiser--one with an enclosed cab--with the plan for Rich's dad to drive us to the edge of the thicket while Rich and I stood in the back and used the height advantage to try to spot the cat sooner than we might on foot. After we reached the thicket, we'd have to get out and continue the follow-up on foot.

It took about 45 minutes from the time of the client's shot until Rich's dad got back to us--a fairly short time given the size of the GMA, but this cat had been baited fairly close to camp. During that wait, we repeatedly heard the lion growling from the direction of the thicket, but we never heard anything that sounded like blood in its lungs. It was early morning and quite cold out, and I tried to tell myself that my legs were only trembling because I was wearing PH short-shorts in the Zambian winter, but I knew that wasn't true. I looked over at Rich, who had stopped two lion charges the season before, and noticed that his legs were shaking too. This was both comforting and terrifying at the same time. In hindsight, I think it's just something that happens when adrenaline goes into overdrive, but make no mistake, it was a very scary situation. Rich reminded me that once on foot, I should take a knee when a lion charges to keep from shooting over it, as they come low and very, very fast. Then, we both practiced responding to the charge--he with his new .500 NE double and I with his .458 Win. Mag. Mauser. Take a knee, mount gun properly, shoot, work bolt or switch triggers, and shoot again. The idea was for it to all be automatic and very fast, as we would have almost no time to react, and certainly none for a screw-up like a bolt short-stroked or the front trigger pulled twice.

By the time we got in the back of the Landcruiser to begin the follow-up, the feeling was pretty grim, as we had heard additional growls that sounded just as strong as the first. But as we edged toward the thicket, Rich's lead tracker, Jingo, spotted the very top of the lion's mane in the tall grass. Covering it with our own guns, we edged the old man into position, and he blew the back of the cat's skull off with the Blaser. By that point, the lion had already bled out enough from what turned out to be a brisket shot that it couldn't muster the strength to charge. Had it been able to, it most certainly would have, and Rich and I would have been shooting downward onto it as it came for the vehicle, hoping to hit its central nervous system before it leapt up and nailed us.


The next year, in the second season of my apprenticeship, I dropped a charging wounded buffalo at twelve paces. It was a scary, adrenaline-charged event, but nothing like the wounded lion. Afterward, I felt myself craving another buffalo charge--a stupid thought but perhaps a common one for someone who has never been hit by a buffalo. In contrast, I never wanted to mess with another wounded lion--too hard to see before the charge, too fast, won't turn, and even more likely to kill you if they reach you. Oh, and before the follow-up, we let the buffalo bleed out for as long as it took the lead PH to smoke a cigarette. When we trailed it, we came to two or three pools of blood where it had been waiting for us. We finally found it lying down, deep in a thicket, just a dark blob in the brush. When the lead PH shot at what seemed to be the chest, it popped up, saw us, and came for us like a freight train through the thicket.

In the lion situation, I am 100% sure that we would have faced a charge had we not waited to follow up. In the buffalo situation, it's hard to tell if it made much difference. The buffalo likely got deeper into the thicket while we waited, and might have instead charged us from one of its earlier stops had we followed up sooner. Still, in the balance, I think waiting a bit makes good sense when dealing with dangerous game.


Great stories, Sandy. I felt like I was right there with you.

I have faced a couple of pretty hairy wounded lion follow ups. More to tell there, but not to my present point.

The time we followed up immediately, like right now, I killed the lion within 20 minutes.

The time we waited, and “gave him time to die,” as they say, we followed him for what seemed to be forever, and I finally killed him several hard and tense days later. I’m thinking it was five or six days of tracking, but it was many years ago, and all I remember for sure is the pressure and danger.

So, again, I say not always, but 99% of the time, I will go right now.


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I suppose one does as he sees fit.

In Chete, Zimbabwe, we had a part of a hippo in a tree for lion bait.

The tree was in a gully between two high hills.

We approached early in the morning, and the lion was feeding.

We were on top of one hill, and I could see the lion stretching himself up feeding.

I fired a shot at him.

He dropped down growling, and disappeared from view before I could fire another shot.

He continued growling for a bit, and Roy asked how I felt about my shot.

I told him I think the lion is done for, as I had a clear shot at him.

After all the noise stopped, we tried different positions from out hillside to look for him.

No sign of the lion at all.

We made a detour, and climbed the opposite hillside.

Still no sign of the lion. But, we could see a lot of blood.

The tree where he fed was surrounded by big boulders, and deep cracks that can easily hide him.

We went back to our original hill, and started going down.

We got down by the tree, and saw the blood, but no sight at all of the lion.

No way to track him, because of the rocks.

One of our trackers found him.

Lying dead in a crack.

Some of us passed him with a few feet, but as were not looking there we never saw him.


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