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Last safari I carried my CZ .416 Rigby loaded with 400 gr Rhino bullets and topped with a 1X6 Leupold & my TRUSTY .338 WM loaded with 250 gr Nosler Particians topped with a Burris illuminated 3X9. This time my wife will be hunting too and taking her Winchester Model 70 in .270. My guide told me just to bring the .338 and "save my shoulder". He also knows I have A LOT OF FAITH in this old meat pole. I know that the .338 will easily take the blue & black wildebeests, cape eland, nyalla, another kudu, and a warthog. The rub to me is that the Rigby is a more "traditional" African calibre and I just don't use it here in the states so I'd like to put it to use. What's your input, please? Shakari, I put a lot of faith in what you say so please chime in Steve! Karamojo Bill At then end of my time here, I want to come skidding through the Pearly Gates & hear God say, "Whoa Boy, that was a hell of a ride!" | ||
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Save your shoulder for what? Use the Rigby, not because you need to but because you want to  | |||
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Remember the golden rule. "When it's your money, you make the rules". Within reason of course, but I don't think your wish is unreasonable. Use your 416! | |||
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+1 You never know when a dangerous game opporunity might present itself, take the 416 plus some solids just in case. "An individual with experience is never at the mercies of an individual with an argument" | |||
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You bought that 416 Rigby to hunt with. So take it. Your shoulder, your money, your hunt. If you want to shoot a Duiker with a 416 then do it. Mike Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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When I went 3 years ago I sure didn't need my 375 H&H for Kudu, Gemsbok, and Zebra but it sure worked well. A big part of the draw for building that rifle was the history associated with the cartridge. When I go again something bigger is on the menu. While my 375 would be sufficient, and it will go with me, it will be my light rifle. What better reason to build another in one of the classic big bores. I don't think any of us do this because it makes sence. We do it because we enjoy the hunt and the history surrounding it. Yes it's cocked, and it has bullets too!!! | |||
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As you say the .338 will do the job but I think you've answered your own question my friend! If you want to use the .416 then that's exactly what you should use.  Mind you, if it were my safari, I'd consider a change of bullet!  | |||
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I would take the gun I shoot best with and not worry about what is tradition or what someone else thought JMO | |||
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Bill, If you want to take the 416 by all means do it. If you have a going away shot on that big elend you won't have to wonder if you'll get the needed penetration. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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If the choice is 338 of 416, I vote none of the above. If you choose Karamojo Bill as your handle you should not hunt with anything bigger than a 303. Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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Shoot whatever rifle you want to shoot. The 338 is very versitile. Noone would let you do all of this in modern times, but in the old days, my grandfather used his 338 for two lions, many cape buff, savannah buff, EA eland, LD eland, cape eland, livingstone's eland, several moose, brown bear, bison, etc, etc, etc. You like your 338, take it and shoot it. You like the 416, take it too. Will J. Parks, III | |||
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Traveling with several rifles is a pain. Take your 416 and use your wife's 270 if you want to save your shoulder. Have gun- Will travel The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark | |||
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Only been to Africa three times, so not a lot of experience ... but ... Usually take a 9,3x62 or a .375 H&H as a "handy" lighter rifle. As the heavier one I took a CZ .416 Rigby on the first trip. Took a Gemsbock with it. Was authoritative to be sure. Second trip I took a Hartebeast and a Cape Buffalo with the .416. Worked well! Third trip, I left the Rigby and took a .458 AR. As it was the first time this chambering had been to Africa (and it was built on a standard length Mauser action) I used it a lot, taking Warthog, Kudu, Blue Wildebeast, and Eland with it. It knocked over the Wildebeast and dropped the Eland at 186 yards on a quartering away shot. Nothing wrong with bigger rifles for smaller game if you can shoot them! Mike -------------- DRSS, Womper's Club, NRA Life Member/Charter Member NRA Golden Eagles ... Knifemaker, http://www.mstarling.com | |||
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It's your hunt so shoot what you want. You know the game you are hunting and if a certain rifle has a special place on an African trip, so why ask people on here what to take? With that said, I don't like 416's and don't like 338's so I would take either a 9.3 X 62 or a .375 H&H. Took a 9.3 X 62 to Moz last year and will most likely take my .375 H&H over there this year. Also with either these two a .270 Win that appears to be going along with you would be just the ticket. Larry Sellers SCI Life Member | |||
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I also own both these calibers. I have spent my whole hunting career using the .338 and the 416 is a recent addition. If you reload why dont you go for 2 loads? For the 338 I used to have a shorter range heavier animal load (275gr speer zeroed at 100mt) and a longer distance lighter load ( 225 gr Hornady Interlock zeroed at 200mt) without having to change any scope settings. With a little luck you could achieve the same with the .416 | |||
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