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That's a lot of dudes chuckin' spears right there... | |||
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I guess that's just how the Neanderthals and Cro-Magnons killed the horses, wooly mammoths, Irish elk, giant sloths, etc. Seems like some things don't change. I wonder how many of the hunters got speared. Paul Smith SCI Life Member NRA Life Member DSC Member Life Member of the "I Can't Wait to Get Back to Africa" Club DRSS I had the privilege to fire E. Hemingway's WR .577NE, E. Keith's WR .470NE, & F. Jamieson's WJJ .500 Jeffery I strongly recommend avoidance of "The Zambezi Safari & Travel Co., Ltd." and "Pisces Sportfishing-Cabo San Lucas" "A failed policy of national defense is its own punishment" Otto von Bismarck | |||
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Pulling for the animals. Sure would have liked to seen some dead tribesmen come out of that horror. Dave Fulson | |||
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Me too. We all know that when it comes to natives hunting, there's no mercy, no ethics & no rules whatsoever but to film such a thing is (IMO) nothing short of pornography. | |||
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So they have advanced from their ancestors how? Gary DRSS NRA Lifer DSC | |||
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For providing their families and tribes with something to eat??? My .25-06 shoots 1/4" all day long..... | |||
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I believe that the film from which these clips were taken was shot in the mid-1960s, and some of it even earlier, by two Italian co-directors. The authenticity of the animal killing scenes (and some other scenes) has been called into question, and it has been alleged that some such scenes were staged for the cameras. But much of it is undoubtedly real and truthful. Hard to watch, indeed! Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Very good point but nevertheless, difficult to watch....Probably because it's so far divorced from our own hunting culture. Michael is quite right. It was filmed by some Italians in the 60s or so and I believe the film is quite wel known.... it's also been posted here a few times over the years. | |||
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I understand subsitence hunting, but I believe in providing the animal with a clean, swift, honorable end. I didn't go up there to die, I went up there to live. | |||
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How they dont kill each other is crazy and how we still have game left in Africa is amazing. feel sick  wonder if the greenies can distinguish between sustainable hunting where to local communities benefit long term to this "natural" scenario where the benefit is very short term. dave Dave Davenport Outfitters license HC22/2012EC Pro Hunters license PH74/2012EC www.leopardsvalley.co.za dave@leopardsvalley.co.za +27 42 24 61388 HUNT AFRICA WHILE YOU STILL CAN Follow us on FACEBOOK https://www.facebook.com/#!/leopardsvalley.safaris | |||
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I like watching this everytime its brought up here.. 'cept for the cheesy overly dramatic music. That's real hunting how it was done for THOUSANDS of years. God bless technology! | |||
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No offense Tman but "subsistence hunting" is him or you. The only "honor" in it is feeding yourself and your family. Snares, deadfalls, set lines even some poisons are all tools open for use when the choice is killing or dying. No it's not pretty. Yes, its even what modern man with a choice would consider cruel, brutal and inhumane but then its the same way nature in the form of every other predator does the same thing. We are lucky in that we have advanced from our ancestors to the point this brutality is not necessary. All it would take is a major catastrophe to change all that however!  An old man sleeps with his conscience, a young man sleeps with his dreams. | |||
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Exactly. Today we of course would choose not to kill game in such a way but the film illustrates the way it was done for thousands of years and when you think about it, it really is no more inhumane than the way crocs or a pride of lions go about filling their bellies. "...Africa. I love it, and there is no reason for me to explore why. She affects some people that way, and those who feel as I do need no explanation." from The Last Safari | |||
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The white house on a saturday night? ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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I saw that last time it went around. No it's not pretty but hell, if you need meat, don't have a rifle, how else are you supposed to do it? Clearly an attempt to show how it was done in the old days, but I think the question we may have for ourselves is whether we could do the same thing, today, if we needed to? It would not be easy. | |||
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Haysoo Kristo Bill... | |||
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Thank goodness for modern firearms then. Otherwise many here would have to re-evaluate a few beliefs.
Many of our ethics and attitudes about hunting are very much influenced by our use of modern firearms. This is due to the high level of efficiency and sanitization of the kill that they give to the hunter. In other words: We don’t have to get as much blood on our hands – so our modern ethics re-enforce the less bloody hunting methods that we use. . | |||
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#1--those guys need some lessons on spear chucking #2--this should be moved to the HUMOR forum. | |||
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I guess they haven't gotten the memo regarding the invention of firearms... USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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have you seen 'em shoot a gun? hit anything? fat chicks inc. | |||
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I think there may be some misunderstanding about what I meant. I don't have a problem with people hunting that way to feed their families. I am just saying that it makes me uneasy from a sporting sense. I didn't go up there to die, I went up there to live. | |||
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What's wrong with a good bit of porn?  | |||
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How the hell do you provide an ele with "a clean, swift and honorable death" when all you have is a spear? | |||
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I bet that one will crack up the boys at the next Klan picnic, eh Will? Kim Merkel Double .470 NE Whitworth Express .375 H&H Griffin & Howe .275 Rigby Winchester M70 (pre-64) .30-06 & .270 "Cogito ergo venor" René Descartes on African Safari | |||
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They are NOT that organized! (They-meaning the white house) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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When is it...Will? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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When hunting is finally outlawwed all the animals will go this way. Hunting provides value, much more value than protein. . | |||
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So what do they think of our mercy, ethics, and rules with the laughing, hi 5s, back slapping, riding the animal as it is towed behind a vehicle, and all for hanging it's head on a wall in some foreign country and in many cases bragging because it got in some record book and don't we just love to film it? | |||
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Another stupid string, if isn't done the way "we" think it should be done it is wrong. Now that was really "dangerous" game hunting. Those guys showed more "balls" than most of us well I should say all of us. When was the last time a poster took a primative weapon i e spear or knife (forget hog sticking) and went across a plain in pursute of a wild animal?   | |||
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Eagle 27, I personally don't go in for all that high 5 crap, esp in front of the cameras. I can understand a hunter getting excited about a hunt though and don't have a problem with that but I've also seen some guys take it FAR too far and wouldn't even discuss some of those things on a public forum, let alone film them. I try to avoid getting in front of any DVD cameras and I detest the you tube video BS, and have often said here that I believe you tube will be the death of hunting. As for the record books, I've often said here and elsewhere that I personally think that whilst they have a place in hunting they shouldn't be taken too seriously. One of my favourite quotes that I've often posted here and used to have in my sig line until it got too long is: The jungle is the place to test one’s mettle and one’s skill. It is a place for personal and individual adventure. To tackle the adversary on the ground of it’s own choosing and to outwit it in it’s own game of woodcraft is the real joy and thrill of hunting. Always remember that hunting is not just killing animals, it is much more than killing; Killing is the least important part of it. Hope that helps. | |||
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I have to agree with the dangerous game comment. Anyone who talks about the dangers of stalking a Dugga Boy while carrying a 500 NE should stand in awe of a guy running through a herd of hundreds of buffalo carrying a single shot spear. I really don't get the humor comments. This is dangerous as hell, and I bet if everyone on this board got together with them, their side would win the spear throwing contest hands down. As far as hard to watch, I see no difference with their method and all the modern bowhunters I have watched over several years. Neither method provides a humane kill, the only difference being they were delivering multiple wounds as fast as possible as opposed to shooting once, then waiting 20-30 minutes to track in order to allow the animal to bleed out. | |||
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Good point...But now that the AK is the new bush spear it will go a whole lot quicker - in all respects!!! | |||
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Jeff, Absolutely correct! The Karamojong of the Karamoja Region Of Uganda have been called one of the 3 most primitive people living today. Some still don't wear a stitch of clothing...albeit the sling of an AK over thier shoulder!!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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To understand what is going on in this clip one needs to see the entire movie, for context. This was filmed in the time frame when the colonials were making their exit from Africa and the power was shifting back to black rule. The scene being discussed now was meant to show how during this time of transition lawlessness was rampant. The game being killed was not to satisfy a need for food, it was being killed because there was no one there to stop it from being killed. Another scene in the movie showed the results of similar slaughter of one ethnic group by another. Mass graves where Indians were rounded up and executed. Some others driven into the sea and drowned.Dead bodies washing ashore on the beach and left to rot. This had nothing to do with hunting , either for food or sport. It was killing for the sake of killing, because whitey was no longer there to prevent it. By the way, there are a few scenes where it is whites that are taking advantage of the void in law enforcement as well. The movie is meant to show the character of man when the restraints of law and society are lifted. It is extremely interesting but not pleasant to watch. We seldom get to choose But I've seen them go both ways And I would rather go out in a blaze of glory Than to slowly rot away! | |||
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eyedoc, Good observation and comments. The slaughter of wildlife is common place and I have seen worse. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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A very good point and one that is too often overlooked in discussions regarding hunting ethics. Kim Merkel Double .470 NE Whitworth Express .375 H&H Griffin & Howe .275 Rigby Winchester M70 (pre-64) .30-06 & .270 "Cogito ergo venor" René Descartes on African Safari | |||
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"The Zanzibar Revolution - 1961" Was in my early teens then - not a pleasant day to remember. | |||
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