Applies to SA but food for thought;

http://www.peterflack.co.za/bl...ailed-their-members/

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Originally posted by citizenh:
Applies to SA but food for thought;

http://www.peterflack.co.za/bl...ailed-their-members/

Yeah, but what does that say about SCI and DSC.

SCI has most certainly failed us. If they are "First for Hunters", we are doomed .

I think they are hiding.Makes me think twice about renewing my membership.Glad I did't buy a life membership.

One thing I noticed in the article was " Illegally poached lion "
So far it is still investigated so this article in my opinion failed us as well then...
Peter Flack jumped on bandwagon and failed us where he should have helped us. So to me he is the biggest failure of all.
I'm sticking with SCI as there is no one else besides DSC.
I'm pretty sure they are working hard behind the curtains.
Being election year, that's tough

Flack has called it 100% correct. All of the hunting organizations have dropped the ball and this incident highlights their misplaced priorities, and that includes SCI and DSC.

i do have a question though - with the liberal press crusading around about cecil - would any of them published anything sci or dsc said??

SCI could start by emailing all of it's members to sign a petition supporting trophy hunting, and condemning poaching of any kind. We need to show the politicians that we too are a force to recon with. I feel being silent is a mistake at this time.

Why stipulate "Trophy" hunting?

Why not just support ALL LEGAL hunting methods and oppose ANY and All Poaching?

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
Why stipulate "Trophy" hunting? Why not just support ALL LEGAL hunting methods and oppose ANY and All Poaching?

The word "Trophy" is the problem (as is the word "Sport").

As long as you guys cling to those two words you'll never get anywhere. Leave them to the idiot athletes.

Let's face facts, most organizations start out with good intentions but quickly become nothing more than self-serving bumper sticker entities.

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The word "Trophy" is the problem (as is the word "Sport").

As long as you guys cling to those two words you'll never get anywhere. Leave them to the idiot athletes.

Plus 1000 on that thought.

I think that this artificial goes to the heart of the matter . I for one am a member of both SCI and DSC and am very disappointed and quite frankly shocked by their pathetic inadequate response to this whole sad matter.

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Originally posted by citizenh:
Applies to SA but food for thought;

http://www.peterflack.co.za/bl...ailed-their-members/

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Originally posted by venda axe:
SCI could start by emailing all of it's members to sign a petition supporting trophy hunting, and condemning poaching of any kind. We need to show the politicians that we too are a force to recon with. I feel being silent is a mistake at this time.

Yep. It would have been way too simple......


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Originally posted by Trophic-Hunter:

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Originally posted by Crazyhorseconsulting:
Why stipulate "Trophy" hunting? Why not just support ALL LEGAL hunting methods and oppose ANY and All Poaching?

The word "Trophy" is the problem (as is the word "Sport").

As long as you guys cling to those two words you'll never get anywhere. Leave them to the idiot athletes.

+1!!!
I hunt for food, whether it's for me or others. I also believe in utilizing the entire animal, not just the meat. If it's in Africa, even better. And leopard is delicious!

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Originally posted by Opus1:
Let's face facts, most organizations start out with good intentions but quickly become nothing more than self-serving bumper sticker entities.

just Like unions, they are there for members only if the they can exploit the mass of them -
-and leave the bulk of members feeling that they should be happy with just the crumbs..,

They tend to preach/salespitch ideals to their members, but behind the closed doors run the show/wheel& deal,.. rather differently.

and really,,
the mass of Greenie-Anti movement members are exploited in much the same way [by their own self serving group/movement leaders.]...

If you have not, please see my thread on DSC DVD release of the DSC Stance On Lion Hunting.

I totally agree that SCI is a complete failure. This was a golden opportunity to re- educate the libtard media and expose the anti hunting groups for the idiots they are. It's been interesting. I've learned that most anti-hunters think Zimbabwe is in the south of the US, lions are "cute" and Robert Mugabe is the aborted fetal brother of Al Sharpton! The stupidity is astounding! The emotion is amazing and the devotees of Animal Planet are now free to threaten the lives of others over fucking lions! I feel
Like I'm living in a kabuki theater play!

I agree with Dave. You need to check out DSC's response. It came a bit late apparently because of travel issues, but I thought it was quite good. I've been circulating to my non-hunting friends who have asked me about this situation.

I have never understood why the NRA, SCI, DSC, etc etc do not sponsor shows on NPR? I mean if these organizations believe they are right about what they do (and largely I think they are close) shouldn't they want to share that message with as many people as possible? They all have a good habit of preaching to the choir, but of course when you preach to the choir, your back is to the parishioners; the very people who need to hear the message.

This from the NPR site:

All NPR funding sources, including corporate sponsors, are considered under the "access" principle, which means that NPR has no list of sources from which funding will not be accepted. However, potential conflict of interest and problems of listener misperception, confusion, or similar reason regarding the funder's role and/or influence on programming will be considered in accepting or rejecting underwriting.

I see no reason why they wouldn't accept sponsorship from these organizations. Hell, they accept gobs of money from Mobil, that tyrannical, earth-killing energy giant. Imagine along with the John T, and Catherine D Macarthur Foundation, you heard, "…and from Dallas Safari Club. Working to further wildlife conservation here and abroad. Dallas Safari Club, We are the future of wildlife." or come such tag line. I mean for crap's sake, these groups need to think outside the box for a change. They need to be proactive, and not reactive as reaction generally is perceived as insincere.


I can hear the whines that it is giving money to our 'enemies', but in light of that, I would point out that the articles and interviews that have been shared and that we consider positive are mainly coming from these same sources (CNN, NYT etc). Why not play the game as it is played, versus play it how we think it should be played?

Just a guess here, but I would bet NPR is scared of a backlash from all of the other groups that provide funding/pay for programming.

I guess my main point is not that NPR would reject the sponsorship, but that the organizations have not even tried to sponsor a segment (that I know of). NPR is supposed to be "public" radio (it's really not, it's more quasi-private) that represents every ideology. I listen to NPR, most hunters I know do as well. Why have hunting organizations ignored outlets such as these to get their messages out?

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Originally posted by BaxterB:
Why have hunting organizations ignored outlets such as these to get their messages out?

Better question, why have hunting organizations ignored virtually every outlet for getting their messages out? Flack is right, the organizations have ignored public relations entirely . . . If you look at both their messaging and the mediums used to deliver their messages they are both all about preaching to the choir instead of evangelizing the non-believers.

One reason could be that they have never thought in that direction.

Another is that over the years, I have read various articles written by hunters and wildlife biologists that believe the concept of "Trophy" hunting might not be the conservation tool it has been touted to be.

I remember the old ABC program, The American Sportsman, with Curt Gowdy and the change in the average hunters attitude between then and now, to me seems like a night/day transition.

Not unlike the difference between the outdoor writers of that time frame and outdoor writers in todays world.

Maybe human competiveness/one-upmanship is the aspect that has kept the various organizations from going to NPR. Trying to present hunting in a realistic light when the programs most people have been seeing over the past decade or so, are ones with Billy Fred Bubba trying to pick out the critter with the highest scoring antlers and shooting it with his newest/hottest rifle-scope-GPS rig.

Just my opinion, and we all know about opinions, but I really do believe the whole competitiveness aspect that hunting has taken on over the past couple of decades has given hunting/hunters a black eye in the realm of human beliefs concerning hunting that we may never be able to get away from.

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Better question, why have hunting organizations ignored virtually every outlet for getting their messages out? Flack is right, the organizations have ignored public relations entirely . . . If you look at both their messaging and the mediums used to deliver their messages they are both all about preaching to the choir instead of evangelizing the non-believers.

Precisely. Thus my statement above about preaching to the choir. The entire congregation of non-believers is being ignored because it seems to be a) so much fun to put money in the pockets of only those you agree with and b) they lack the imagination to understand they need (and can) to GROW their membership from outside the established hunting fraternity. National Geographic magazine routinely prints ads by Cargill and other major GMO companies - this in the literal face of many of the likely anti-GMO readers. Why on Earth can't there be a well-designed, pro-hunting/conservation ad as well? Hell, hit them with facts about how much money is put into wildlife conservation by the Pittman-Robertson act. This money comes DIRECTLY from sportsmen! Use some IMAGINATION!

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One reason could be that they have never thought in that direction.

It's because they live in an insular world, where they enjoy the company of their peers. Getting the word out is risky, and takes talent. No Gerald McRaney, no Shane Mahoney baloney, no sentimentality. We HAVE to reshape the image of hunters and hunting or we are screwed.

As a guy who after almost a year of conversations on hunting with his pro-animal rights boss, was told by her "Good luck, and have a good time" when I left for a 4-day hunt, I KNOW for a fact that the right message told the right way (as Jines mentioned above) CAN, and WILL have a positive impact on non-hunters. It is simply a fact that those with the means are failing to do it.

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Originally posted by BaxterB:

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One reason could be that they have never thought in that direction.

It's because they live in an insular world, where they enjoy the company of their peers. Getting the word out is risky, and takes talent. No Gerald McRaney, no Shane Mahoney baloney, no sentimentality. We HAVE to reshape the image of hunters and hunting or we are screwed.

As a guy who after almost a year of conversations on hunting with his pro-animal rights boss, was told by her "Good luck, and have a good time" when I left for a 4-day hunt, I KNOW for a fact that the right message told the right way (as Jines mentioned above) CAN, and WILL have a positive impact on non-hunters. It is simply a fact that those with the means are failing to do it.

Basically I agree with you. Also, we really need to be pro-active in promoting hunting and not just reactive to damaging attacks by the antis.

There should be a concerted effort to promote hunting to the masses and quit with the
essentially worthless promotion within ourselves....... preaching to the choir does nothing.

Makes me think about the old ads of "Beef...... it's whats for dinner!!!" We should be out there in every venue we can utilize with a picture of a moose or an elk and then the BBQ shots with family and friends.......... eat healthy and assist with wildlife management and conservation........ etc. etc. Don't wait to respond only when there is an anti attack.

PLEASE see my Post Lion Crisis Response I posted today. I would welcome feedback.