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I was talking to Coppersmith today, and they told me USF&W was not allowing imports of hippo from Mozambique or Zambia. I guess I'm glad I didn't get a hippo in Moz... Anyone else heard this? | ||
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Yes, this was discussed here back in Jan or Feb? Might have been buried in a thread somewhere. It's actually a CITES Issue and not a USF&W issue. There are no export CITES for the Hippo from Moz. Not sure about Zambias situation. Since hunting was closed, except for game ranches, it isn't getting the air time that the Moz Hippo is. Anyway, Moz didn't do their paperwork properly. Same thing with Tanzania Elephants, by the way. I have a hunter who just booked for Moz, gambling that the Moz Hippo situation will be resolved. Outfitter is confident that by the end of the season it should be resolved. We shall see I guess. | |||
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http://www.huntingreport.com/c...ion_force.cfm?id=270 Mozambique and Cameroon Hippo Trade Suspended by CITES Written By John J. Jackson III, Conservation Force Chairman & President(posted March 2013) At the January/February conventions some people, including hunting operators, did not know that the CITES Standing Committee had suspended all trade in hippopotamus from Mozambique and Cameroon in September 2012 until those countries demonstrate that the level of trade is sustainable. Hunters have been calling Conservation Force asking for an explanation of why their hippo trophies are not being shipped. The Law Enforcement Division of USFWS is reported to have walked the floor of the SCI Convention in Reno notifying hunting operators that were advertising hippo hunts. Many were surprised. A system to review the level of trade of Appendix II species (species threatened or that may become threatened by trade) to ensure it is sustainable (not biologically detrimental to the survival of a trading country’s population of the species) has evolved within the CITES system. It is called the Significant Trade Review Process (SIG). The objective is to keep Appendix II species from becoming Appendix I species. Appendix I species are those endangered by trade. Normally Appendix II species are those that are threatened or may become threatened if trade is not adequately controlled. Appendix II also includes lookalike species that are listed to protect another species that is listed on Appendix I. The hippo was originally listed on Appendix II not because of its status but because its tusks may become a substitute for Appendix I elephant ivory. Several years ago, Cameroon and Mozambique were sent a written inquiry by the CITES Secretariat at the recommendation of the Animals Committee (AC) that had selected the species for SIG review. The two countries did not respond adequately. After warnings, last March the Animals Committee recommended suspension of Cameroon and Mozambique’s hippo trade, and in July the Standing Committee (SC) acted on that AC recommendation through the Secretariat that issued the two Notices of suspension of trade on September 25, 2012. We attended both the AC and SC meetings and reported on the developments to “insiders” but did not have space to report it here. Member states of CITES like the United States will refuse the imports until the countries satisfy the Secretariat of CITES that the trade is not detrimental/it is sustainable. The Secretariat will then issue a notice of withdrawal of the suspension and trade will resume. We fully expected that to have already occurred, but it has not. The resumed trade normally permits trophies already taken before or after the suspension period. That means hunters who have taken hippo before or during the noticed suspension should be able to import their hippo trophies when the respective exporting country satisfies the Secretariat that is implementing the suspension. This can occur in a couple of months but has not occurred yet. Both countries were issued warning notices before the suspension. They must now document that their hippo quota is sustainable before trade resumes. Cameroon was supposed to reply to the Secretariat by January 4, 2012 (more than a year ago), but had not filed a response when the Standing Committee met in July 2012. (See SC62 Doc. 27.1 (Rev.1) and issued Notice No. 2012/059 September 25, 2012 on CITES website at www.cites.org/eng/notif/valid.php.) Mozambique had filed a report from a 2008 National Survey of all of its species, which was not adequate without further explanation. According to the September notice issued by the Secretariat, more information is needed …including details of methodologies employed; and…[j]ustification for, and details of, the scientific basis by which it has been established that the quantities of H. amphibious (hippo) exported were not detrimental to the survival of the species and in compliance with Article IV, paragraphs 2(a) and 3. In July 2012, Mozambique had made “no response” to this inquiry while the CITES trade database showed that Mozambique exported specimens of hippo in 2009 and 2010, including 204 teeth and 151 trophies that warranted the significant trade review. Of course, that CITES trade data itself may be incorrect, as is often the case. Single teeth have been misunderstood to be full trophies in the past. The Mozambique CITES Management Authority needs to respond. Until it does, it may not be prudent for hunters to take hippo in either country. Kathi kathi@wildtravel.net 708-425-3552 "The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only one page." | |||
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wow, 151 hippo trophies exported over a 2 year period from Moz. bet that really made a serious dent in the population- NOT!! Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Zambia? We cull 500 hippo each year in the Luangwa alone. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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Andrew is right you could cull 1000 hippo in the Luangwa alone and it still wouldn't equal the birth rate of hippo in Zambia! This time of year the Luangwa is crawling with both hippo, and crocs, and there is pleanty of forage, and water to support herds of buffalo and elephant as well.Where there is buffalo there will be lions as well. I really don't see a reason to suspend hunting of hippo in Zambia! Of course nobody can make sense of anything the CITES does. .................................................................... ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith | |||
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The CITES suspension is likely a direct result of the failure of the Mozambique government to provide the required paperwork documenting the population research on Hippo. This is the most common reason for a CITES suspension in any african country. CITES demands compliance from all signatory countries when it comes to documentation of their animal populations. Zambia, traditionally in my experience, has also been negligent in providing the appropriate research documentation on specific CITES populations - Crocodile comes to mind. It takes money to hire staff to conduct the research and counts required by CITES. Some african countries either do not have the funds or simply refuse to expend the required funding and manpower to remain in compliance with CITES requirements. CITES takes this work seriously, as they should, and is not misled by the classic african paperwork shuffle. They traditionally will issue warnings to countries and give them time to come into compliance prior to issuing a suspension, so it never comes as a surprise. I have hunted the Zambize in Mozambique as well as the Luangwa Valley of Zambia. I too know from personal observation that neither the Hippo nor the Croc could be considered endangered or even threatened in these countries. However, the failure to comply with CITES requirements and the ignoring of CITES warnings cannot be excused. BTW, I have taken Hippo in Zambia when it was legal and have hunted Croc in Moz when it was also legal. Mike ______________ DSC DRSS (again) SCI Life NRA Life Sables Life Mzuri IPHA "To be a Marine is enough." | |||
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Where do I sign up? | |||
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Mike, That's the exact reason. Hopefully Moz will have it's paperwork in order soon. | |||
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