I Asked Three questions on the Remington website on the 798 rifles. Here are my responses.


1) Why do you say it is a square bridge action when the photo shows it is not?

"It is a square bridged action - bad photo on web site does not show it well"

2) Will you have open sights on your 375 & 458 rifles?

"No"

3) Will you be offering 416 Rigby, 416 Rem, or 458 Lott in the future?

"No, check the "what's new" section of our website."

STRIKE 3 - Your out!!!

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1) Why do you say it is a square bridge action when the photo shows it is not?

"It is a square bridged action - bad photo on web site does not show it well"

I handled the Zastava/Remington M798 at the SHOT SHow, and the action was neither a double square brigde nor a single square bridge. Pretty much a standard round bridge.

That must be some camera that rounds off those bridges.

That is not to say that rifles won't show up in the future with the double square bridge configuration.

jim

With this kind of communication from Remington prior to selling us a rifle.....what do we expect afterwards and we discover there's a problem.

Don't get me wrong. Remington has a chance to present us with a real winner here. I'm pulling for them....it's just that they're making it very difficult to do.

Ok! Looking at the 798 pics what I see is basically a Mark X mauser. Am I right? If so with a little work it will make a very nice basic rifle. The caliber selection eventhough it may not be everybody's favorites does cover all the bases.

Mark

Correct-a-mundo. It's your standard Zastava FN copy. Nothing wrong with that at all except Remington is adding $200 so we can have the honor of having "Remington" on the side of that action.

My question is: What good is a 458 DG rifle without open sights?

Am I missing something?

Are there any other Gun Manufacturers that are marketing DG rifles without open sights?

Are hunters running this company or bean countin' suits?

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Originally posted by Riodot:


Are hunters running this company or bean countin' suits?

I think thats fairly obvious.

Also I think they are missing something.... Not you.

Remington has proven over and over again that there are more than enough dumb gun buyers that they can stay in business without hiring real "gun people" to run their operation. Remington saves money and their customers are as happy as can be.

I figure that Remington isn't putting those silly little pot metal rear sights on .375's and .458's because they know that the savy gun buyer will cut off 2 or 3 inches of barrel and go with a set of those New England sights anyway. Looks like they used left over 673 Guide Rifle stocks. Thank God they were out of railroad tracks!


Rich Elliott

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I figure that Remington isn't putting those silly little pot metal rear sights on .375's and .458's because they know that the savy gun buyer will cut off 2 or 3 inches of barrel and go with a set of those New England sights anyway

This could be but to extend that logic they would be selling only actions.

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Originally posted by ForrestB:
Remington has proven over and over again that there are more than enough dumb gun buyers that they can stay in business without hiring real "gun people" to run their operation. Remington saves money and their customers are as happy as can be.

That is EXACTLY on point. Just do a search over on the Alaska Forum for the 700 thread and see for yourself how many "Remingtons no matter what" and the "accuracy uber alles" people continue buying their products. jorge

Now, now, picking on poor ol' Remington for bringing in to our midst a time tested, rock solid "mauser" action and offering it at a reasonable price level. Shame on 'em!
Could it be less? Of course, but face facts, they are doing this to make a profit and stay in business. It is a segment of the market that they had not played in for many years and lo and behold, they are there now!!
Let's see now, could it be true that Winchester is history, out of here, no tomorrow, gone bye,bye??? Yep, sure enough. Remington with their lousy push feed actions and now with CRF actions and still here. Who would have "thunk it."

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Originally posted by driver:
Now, now, picking on poor ol' Remington for bringing in to our midst a time tested, rock solid "mauser" action and offering it at a reasonable price level. Shame on 'em!
Could it be less? Of course, but face facts, they are doing this to make a profit and stay in business. It is a segment of the market that they had not played in for many years and lo and behold, they are there now!!
Let's see now, could it be true that Winchester is history, out of here, no tomorrow, gone bye,bye??? Yep, sure enough. Remington with their lousy push feed actions and now with CRF actions and still here. Who would have "thunk it."

driver,
The only problem with your keen analysis is that the Zastava rifles were ALREADY being imported by Charles Daly, and being sold for less than Remington has listed them for.

In effect, all Remington has done is raise the cost of owning these Zastava 'Mausers'. I do not feel compelled to thank them for that.

And people are STILL waiting for the Baikal-produced double rifles Remington announced a year ago (or more).

George

Any body seen the new Sako 85 with CRF?

It seems it will be out in a variety small and medium aaction lengths intially, with a couple of different sized magnum actions next year...

I've no idea if the 85 is a mauser copy or their own CRF nor the price point, but if anybody has any details, I am sure people would be interested..

George makes some valid points I can't disagree with. There are also a couple of other things to consider. First because Remington is marketing this rifle it probably will be available in every Wal-Mart, Spotsman's Wharehouse, local hardware and small sporting goods store all over the country. You could not say that about the Charles Daly version. Second I would be a surprise to me if that rifle didn't just work pretty good right out of the box with some very minor tweaks. If I needed another 458WM I certainly would look at one. I think that Rich made an excellent point in that the absence of sights on the 798 only give you a clean slate to put your own custom sights on. I don't think most of us really feel that the factory open sights on any off the shelf rifle are very good.

It would almost seem like some folks are complaining about having a mauser/CRF rifle in serious calibers readily avaialbe just because it has the Remington logo on it. I for one think it is a good thing particularly since it seems that the Mod 70 may be disappearing from the shelves of gun shops.

Mark

My only complaint is entirely self serving. Daly offered left handed versions (albeit only in a couple of calibers) but Remington is not offering any.

Hello George S, Moderator,
I believe most of us knew where and who was bringing these rifles to our shores during the recent past and a great many people liked them in their various forms. Now that Remington is bringing them in and charging more, that is a catastrophe?? I think not, just a continouus supply of decent reliable mauser type rifles for those who wish to own them and to do that , you have to make a profit, pure and simple. Don't like 'em, don't buy 'em . That is exactly what happened to Winchester. Quality poor and repair service was next to non existant and the customer rejected them. The same will happen to Remington if they do not perform well and have satisfied customers. The mauser imports will only help them I believe.

Now, as for the double rifles from Russia, I am sure they will be met with a great deal of scrutiny and ballyhoo on lack of quality, crudeness, etc. and for one, I believe to attempt to sell a double rifle at such a low price is a marketing mistake. Very few will be sold and guess what, most will never miss them at all. Double rifles in North America are not the norm, but rather a novelty and Remington can not afford a novelty. Some executives made a quick trip to Europe, etc. and made a few marketing deals and are now hoping it will justify the heavy dinners and cocktails in the Intercontinental Hotels in Paris and Moscow. Time will tell.

Some people you could give them a gold platter and they would call it a piece of shit.

Ok so you think it might need a little tweaking here and there. A lot of you on this forum do that to all factory rifles anyway.
The average person doesnt have gunsmithing work done except maybe something minor like a trigger adjustment.

Ok so now you complain it doesnt have sights. Ok how hard is it for a gunsmith to put on sights?
Those of you who see factory rifles as a starting point what is different with this than any other factory rifle. When you have your gunsmithing work done. Your crossbolts, bedding, etc. etc. etc. throw on a set of sights while you are at it just like you do on your CZ's or whatever other factory rifle. What's the big deal.

I hope they sell lots of them.

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Originally posted by Jarrod:
Some people you could give them a gold platter and they would call it a piece of shit.

Ok so you think it might need a little tweaking here and there. A lot of you on this forum do that to all factory rifles anyway.
The average person doesnt have gunsmithing work done except maybe something minor like a trigger adjustment.

Ok so now you complain it doesnt have sights. Ok how hard is it for a gunsmith to put on sights?
Those of you who see factory rifles as a starting point what is different with this than any other factory rifle. When you have your gunsmithing work done. Your crossbolts, bedding, etc. etc. etc. throw on a set of sights while you are at it just like you do on your CZ's or whatever other factory rifle. What's the big deal.

I hope they sell lots of them.

Your point is well taken - I never thought of it that way.