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Lions kill three children in the Ngorongoro Conservation Area

THURSDAY AUGUST 05 2021


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Arusha. Three Ngoile primary school pupils have been killed by a lion in Orbalbal ward in Ngorongoro District in Arusha Region.

The children were searching their cattle that had got lost in the Ngorongoro Conservation Area .

Information from Ngorongoro Conservation Area said that another child was seriously injured by the wild cat.

Ngoile primary school head teacher, Lobulu Meeje told The Citizen that all three pupils were from the same family.

Meeje named the dead pupils as Ndoskoy Sangau, Sangau Metui and Sangau Kadonyo while Kiyambwa Namuyata escaped with multiple injuries.

“Information I have, after school session they were told that their cattle had got lost and they started to search before they were attacked by lion’’ said the head teacher from Ngoile primary school



Meeje added that lions ate the boys’ flesh and only left skulls.

It is said that before they were killed, two of them climbed trees while trying to escaping.

Their cattle probably got eaten too. Doesn't seem logical to send kids out in such a dangerous area, hyenas are there too.

Find and shoot the lion. It's now tasted human flesh and will be back for more.

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Originally posted by Use Enough Gun:
Find and shoot the lion. It's now tasted human flesh and will be back for more.

Now Now... Troubling as it may be.

The lions were in an area where they are allowed to survive.

Reading between the lines, it appears that the herders have driven their cattle to an area where there is grass available. Usually they drive/herd their cattle into parks at dusk and return to their area before sun up.

Yes, it is troubling for sure. But, now you have a man eater, not just a mankiller, but a man eater. It has killed three children and eaten them. That makes a big difference. The lion needs to go. Sorry, but that is just my opinion.

First let me say it is a tragedy when children loose their lives but let's not forget that the children have always taken care of the cattle and that they have always been in danger. It is part of life in the Masai steppe as life rotates around their cattle. Yes! Unfortunately the lions need to be destroyed.

Mark

Depending on where the cattle were, the family should be held liable- if they were in the park, then while the lions need to be killed, all the family’s cows should be shot.

The Masai do get away with encroaching into game areas.

Non of you seem to remember this Africa!

Life goes on.

Let us stop the silly interference from the West!

The Masai trespass with impunity where they shouldn't be grazing their skinny cows. The government won't stop them. They put children in charge of the herds. I've seen children that look to be about 10 with a spear over their shoulder watching a herd in the middle of no where and no adult supervision. This sort of thing is bound to happen and is a tragedy for both the children and the lions.

It's not the lions' fault. I blame the Masai and the government for not keeping the Masai in line. But the lions will pay the price.

Lavaca, I totally agree, sorry for kids being killed but really more sorry for the lions for just doing what nature requires. Saeed, I do understand that + a bit of calousness comes with the territory. That calls to mind Mark Twain's "Huckleberry Finn" when he comments to Tom that there was an accident with the crane down at the river while loading cotton bales + a cable snapped + the heavy bale hit the dock. Tom says, "Wow! Anybody hurt?!" Huck says, "No, killed a nigger."

To me there is a big difference between a cattle killing lion and a man eating lion. Human life has more value than a damn lion, or cattle or any other friggin animal. Track it down and kill it before it kills and eats more people. Why are African's lives any different than mine or yours or my children or your children or my grandchildren or your grandchildren? Three young boys from the same family. I cannot imagine the horror they went through as the lion or lions killed each of them, with last to be killed seeing his brothers mauled and killed. Isn't that what we see PHs doing with PAC animals in Zim or with man eating crocs or killer hippos in Moz-tracking them down and killing them before they kill and eat again? Why should this be any different? End of story for me, folks. My rant is over on this.

Once upon a day the Morani used to herd their livestock and when faced with marauding lions or other unacceptable situations, teamed up with their companions and sorted them out.

As the years went by the Morani found better things to do and the chores of herding cattle and goats has been passed down to the juvenile Layoni who by and large end up with the short end of the stick which includes being half-starved, bitten by snakes, maimed and/or killed by rogue buffalo and of course falling victims to marauding lions and the occasional hyena.

I have often come across these waifs feasting on the remains of animal carcasses; bear in mind they leave their manyattas at the crack of dawn in bitter-cold conditions with but a grubby shawl as protection and return at last light and their mothers do not provide them with a packed lunchbox either.

It is their traditional lifestyle and the folklore of this tribe that makes them who they are yet I have not heard any of them complaining that life is tough and rough; its what they are used to, its their lifestyle and we really should not be interfering with our meaningful intentions which will only be instrumental in accelerating a "vanishing Africa".

I have lived among them for almost 6 years, but we are who we are .... at least some of us.

Far be it from me to dictate what is right and wrong to a Third World family.

The Maasai are an ancient culture and will do as they will as long as they can.

Are we to believe that Maasai mothers and fathers are immune to grief?

I cannot believe that.

Yet they persist in putting their children in mortal peril.

As long as they do, there will be bloody awful consequences like these, all around.

Fulvio knows better than anyone, but I'm not a big fan of the Masai culture.

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Fulvio knows better than anyone, but I'm not a big fan of the Masai culture.

And I bet they cringe when they know about yours!
At least they know who is man and who is woman!

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Are we to believe that Maasai mothers and fathers are immune to grief?

You may believe what you wish but ask yourself what father would sell his adolescent daughter immediately after the FGM ritual never to see her again?

And contrary to western belief, these adolescent 10-12 year olds are anxiously anticipating their "first moon" so that they can be "circumcised" and "become women" while we westerners rant and rave about pedophiles and underage sex.

What mother virtually abandons her offspring to fend for themselves almost immediately after being weaned to mind the other siblings and do the "household" chores?

What father spends his life with his mates while the wife (generally several) are in charge of building and maintaining the huts and other manual chores that the children are too frail to perform?

Death is no big deal in their community and it is quite simply accepted as it being the will of god and never have I seen a tear being shed.

Lavaca, ask Parachichi about his run in with the elders when the kid herding goats died from a snakebite .... they were more concerned about the goats than the kid.

I have yet to set eyes on a Maasai cemetery or burial ground other than the occasional one who had been converted and laid to rest in a Christian cemetery.

If the westerner wants to help, it should be in the form of providing water (boreholes, dams) which will in a way prevent them from leaving their traditional grounds in search of new pastures and water sources; provide schools in the hope that some of these children will obtain a better opportunity in life one day and dislocate themselves from this traditional way of life.

Before we try to criticize other cultures, may be we should ask ourselves, are they FORCING these cultures on us?

They are not.

Well said Saeed......in all your responses to the post.

Frankly, I can accept ancient customs in certain cultures.

But, for the life of me, there is no way in hell can I fathom certain customs being promoted in the West right now!

They simply defy my comprehension!

https://www.thecitizen.co.tz/t...be-relocated-3502642


Lion that killed three children in Ngorongoro to be relocated

SATURDAY AUGUST 07 2021


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The lion, that is among the Lions involved in the good neighborhood project in the Ngorongoro Conservation Area project (KopeLion), has a VHF collar that helps monitor all its activities


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Arusha. A lion, that is believed to have killed and eaten three children from the same family at Ngoile Primary School, Orbalbal Ward, Ngorongoro District, Arusha Region, is expected to be relocated away from human settlements.
The lion, that is among the Lions involved in the good neighborhood project in the Ngorongoro Conservation Area project (KopeLion), has a VHF collar that helps monitor all its activities
The lion on Tuesday night killed and ate three children who were identified as Ndoskoy Sangau(9),Sangau Metui (10)and Sanka Saning'o(10) with Kiyambwa Namuyata(11)escaping with several injuries from the wild cat.


Speaking to The Citizen, the Coordinator for the Kope Lion project which aims at reducing conflicts between pastoralists living within the Ngorongoro Conservation Area and lions, William Oleseki said the incident was a unique one and it was the first time it has happened.
"First of all let me admit that the children were killed by one of the lions in our Lions project (KopeLion). We have never seen anything like this despite the fact that a group of lions have been in the area for more than three years now," he said.
In the incidents recorded before lions usually invade settlements and attack domestic animals but rarely do they attack human beings.
According to Oleseki, the lion involved was not new in the Ngorongoro and that plans were underway by the authorities to move the wild cat away from human settlements.
He said in the project they have 25 young people who have been trained to monitor the lions whenever they are in areas used by the community and provide information on their presence.

The Ngorongoro Conservation Area was started in 1959.

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But, for the life of me, there is no way in hell can I fathom certain customs being promoted in the West right now!

Hear, hear!

Nature is out of balance, man and animal...when apart from the creator.

If I knew for a certainty that a man was coming to my house with the conscious design of doing me good, I should run for my life...

Thoreau

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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But, for the life of me, there is no way in hell can I fathom certain customs being promoted in the West right now!

Hear, hear!

I agree with Saeed's posts on this thread. This is an African problem that should be dealt with by the Africans in their own way.

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Originally posted by drongo:

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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But, for the life of me, there is no way in hell can I fathom certain customs being promoted in the West right now!

Hear, hear!

I agree with Saeed's posts on this thread. This is an African problem that should be dealt with by the Africans in their own way.

And you wish to deny some ignorant Hollywood Bimbo her 2 minutes of fame?

The Masai do force their way of life on everyone else. Just my humble opinion. I'd put more stock on the opinions of those that live there though.

There was a time when the Masai only ran cattle and didn't run sheep and goats. Now everything is overgrazed and they just move on and overgraze new territory. Their villages now have motorbikes and solar panels and you find trash all over the place. Times have changed, and not for the better.

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Times have changed, and not for the better.

Truer words…never spoken.

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Originally posted by lavaca:
There was a time when the Masai only ran cattle and didn't run sheep and goats. Now everything is overgrazed and they just move on and overgraze new territory. Their villages now have motorbikes and solar panels and you find trash all over the place. Times have changed, and not for the better.

It pains them to have to sell a calf, cow or bull in order to get cash so in the meantime they have discovered goats and sheep that go for small change or what we might call housekeeping money which suffices for everyday needs.

Somehow the Masai need to be taught good business practices like selling off some of the herd at times. But I think the herds are like a religion to them , they just can't part with them

DSC issued a direct statement today comparing the media's response to these kids getting eaten and the heir to Cecil being shot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2vG0ItpWKM