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17 June 2016, 12:06
fairgameThe Handshake
Just imagine if you arrived in Africa on your big game full bag dangerous game safari and there was no cold beer in camp?
But the hairy chested fellow in the wide brimmed hat you met at the convention bar had the audacity to send you a friggin 11 page list which amongst other things detailed your beverage likes and dislikes on safari?
Then you find out there is lots of beer but the refrigerator had been eaten by hyena and the nearest refrigerator repairman lives in the next country.
Friggin 'Wide Brim' has beer bottles hanging from damp sodden socks in the breezy shade like one of those traditional safari thingies but no where near the temperature of a dead Alaskan witches tit.
Here we have a dilemma as the sweaty Wide Brimmed fella states that the beer is fairly cold. That is compared to hot. But the verb 'fairly' has not been ever mentioned nor documented nor has the temperature differences that define tepid, cool, chilly and cold.
The tracker who then chips in and suggests if they all get up very early in the morning the beer will be much colder.
Everyone shakes hands and agrees that that would be a splendid plan.
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17 June 2016, 12:36
buckeyeshooterNot a problem for me, don't drink alcohol. Would rather just go hunting!
17 June 2016, 12:38
ozhunterWhy Cold. Gone all fancy hey?
17 June 2016, 12:54
Barry GroulxOddball's in the Okavango - not a hinting camp it's true - didn't even make a pretence. After the first 8 or so it made no difference...
17 June 2016, 13:00
Pondoroquote:
Why Cold. Gone all fancy hey?
Agreed. If the the hunting is good, cope with it..
17 June 2016, 13:10
Charlie64.
So there's no ice for the scotch either

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"Up the ladders and down the snakes!"
17 June 2016, 15:35
The NorwegianOr the gin tonic ...
Problem

The more I know, the less I wonder !
17 June 2016, 17:28
PoyntmanI'd say...show me that Hyena!! That Son of a Bitch is about to draw its last breath!
Barbaric - how did they ever get along in the days before refrigerators?

17 June 2016, 18:39
ted thornI have several addictions and vices
Drinking and smoking thankfully are not on my list
So I would be ok
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17 June 2016, 19:11
D. NelsonJust save the ice for the champagne, I can drink warm beer!
Best regards, D. Nelson
I go to Africa for the total experience. That includes having cold cocktails around the fire in the evening. The lies get much bigger and believable that way. I would not be happy drinking cool beer or no ice cocktails.
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Andrew, judging by your "stream of consciousness" post, I assume you found enough ice for a few cocktails! :-)
I had a beer on my last trip to celebrate that I shot my Bushbuck. I may have two beers if I ever get a bushbuck that has two horns.
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When I'm in a camp somebodies beer is always a little short.Semms that in my earliest camping days I found a bit of beer makes the pancakes lighter and fluffier !
Are you listening Taz ??

17 June 2016, 21:27
Michael RobinsonI'd prefer a good Chateauneuf du Pape anyway.

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17 June 2016, 21:47
fairgamequote:
Originally posted by Biebs:
Andrew, judging by your "stream of consciousness" post, I assume you found enough ice for a few cocktails! :-)
The clue is the '11 pages' mate and is a reference to another thread.
I stock more ice in my camp than salt.
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17 June 2016, 21:49
fairgamequote:
Originally posted by D. Nelson:
Just save the ice for the champagne, I can drink warm beer!
Best regards, D. Nelson
Madam I travel with an ice maker.
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17 June 2016, 22:21
Frostbitquote:
Originally posted by fairgame:
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Originally posted by D. Nelson:
Just save the ice for the champagne, I can drink warm beer!
Best regards, D. Nelson
Madam I travel with an ice maker.
Just beware of the "hairnet roast".

17 June 2016, 22:24
adamhunterquote:
Originally posted by fairgame:
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Originally posted by Biebs:
Andrew, judging by your "stream of consciousness" post, I assume you found enough ice for a few cocktails! :-)
The clue is the '11 pages' mate and is a reference to another thread.
I stock more ice in my camp than salt.
I wonder if one of the five insurance policies the hunter was to buy included "lack of ice" coverage...
30+ years experience tells me that perfection hit at .264. Others are adequate but anything before or after is wishful thinking.
17 June 2016, 22:38
fairgamequote:
Originally posted by Frostbit:
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Originally posted by fairgame:
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Originally posted by D. Nelson:
Just save the ice for the champagne, I can drink warm beer!
Best regards, D. Nelson
Madam I travel with an ice maker.
Just beware of the "hairnet roast".
And I thought you Alaskans were tough.
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17 June 2016, 22:40
Joe Savikataaq JrAndrew,
The only way the person hunted was because he did not ask for opinions from AR. Otherwise if he asked for opinions he would not be ablt to book a hunt.
17 June 2016, 23:42
Frostbitquote:
Originally posted by fairgame:
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Originally posted by Frostbit:
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Originally posted by fairgame:
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Originally posted by D. Nelson:
Just save the ice for the champagne, I can drink warm beer!
Best regards, D. Nelson
Madam I travel with an ice maker.
Just beware of the "hairnet roast".
And I thought you Alaskans were tough.
Mate, there's tough, and then there's "hairnet" tough. Even Ben couldn't cut it.

18 June 2016, 00:22
D. Nelsonquote:
Originally posted by Frostbit:
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Originally posted by fairgame:
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Originally posted by Frostbit:
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Originally posted by fairgame:
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Originally posted by D. Nelson:
Just save the ice for the champagne, I can drink warm beer!
Best regards, D. Nelson
Madam I travel with an ice maker.
Just beware of the "hairnet roast".
And I thought you Alaskans were tough.
Mate, there's tough, and then there's "hairnet" tough. Even Ben couldn't cut it.
OK Jim or Andrew, what's the story with the hairnet roast????? I need to be prepared! As long as Andrew has the iced champagne covered, I need to know about the roast!
Best regards, D. Nelson
18 June 2016, 02:52
Frostbitquote:
Originally posted by D. Nelson:
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Originally posted by Frostbit:
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Originally posted by fairgame:
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Originally posted by Frostbit:
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Originally posted by fairgame:
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Originally posted by D. Nelson:
Just save the ice for the champagne, I can drink warm beer!
Best regards, D. Nelson
Madam I travel with an ice maker.
Just beware of the "hairnet roast".
And I thought you Alaskans were tough.
Mate, there's tough, and then there's "hairnet" tough. Even Ben couldn't cut it.
OK Jim or Andrew, what's the story with the hairnet roast????? I need to be prepared! As long as Andrew has the iced champagne covered, I need to know about the roast!
Best regards, D. Nelson
First night in camp. Settling in, getting to know each other in person. Now it's time for dinner.
Out comes the soup appetizer, quite yummy. Andrew then tells us of the special treat we are having. Remember, we were first in for this camp so there is no game meat yet.
The special dinner was a lovely looking roast resembling a thin loin cut folded on itself and wrapped in a webbing (the hairnet) to keep it's shape while cooking.
Joyce and I sat back while Andrew continued to tell us how special this cut was and the shop owner vowed it to be the best.
Meanwhile I notice Andrew's son Ben applying a knife to the lovely meat. The meat moved below the blade without a scratch. Ben looked up. He repositioned himself to apply more of his body weight. No progress.
Andrew finally looked at Ben and told him to "turn the knife over, you are obviously using the wrong side". Ben handed the knife to Andrew and suggested he give it a try.
Andrew, putting full body weight on the meat was able to chip off some chunks which were served.
I took a small bite and the meat grew in my mouth as I chewed to a size I was concerned might choke me.
Joyce meanwhile very politely said, "You know I don't think I can eat another bite. That was nice".
Making lemonade from lemons we all frequently remarked for the rest of the safari while eating....."This sure isn't the hairnet roast".
Now I'm sure Andrew has a different recollection of the event and I for one can't wait to hear his version.
Cheers
Jim
18 June 2016, 05:17
ozhunterAndrew,
Was the temperature satisfactory once hung in the wet sock? I use an old hessian waterbag for the front of the truck
18 June 2016, 05:41
Jefffivequote:
Originally posted by Biebs:
Andrew, judging by your "stream of consciousness" post, I assume you found enough ice for a few cocktails! :-)
Andrew don't need no steenking ice!
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18 June 2016, 06:33
D. Nelsonquote:
Originally posted by Frostbit:
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Originally posted by D. Nelson:
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Originally posted by Frostbit:
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Originally posted by fairgame:
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Originally posted by Frostbit:
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Originally posted by fairgame:
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Originally posted by D. Nelson:
Just save the ice for the champagne, I can drink warm beer!
Best regards, D. Nelson
Madam I travel with an ice maker.
Just beware of the "hairnet roast".
And I thought you Alaskans were tough.
Mate, there's tough, and then there's "hairnet" tough. Even Ben couldn't cut it.
OK Jim or Andrew, what's the story with the hairnet roast????? I need to be prepared! As long as Andrew has the iced champagne covered, I need to know about the roast!
Best regards, D. Nelson
First night in camp. Settling in, getting to know each other in person. Now it's time for dinner.
Out comes the soup appetizer, quite yummy. Andrew then tells us of the special treat we are having. Remember, we were first in for this camp so there is no game meat yet.
The special dinner was a lovely looking roast resembling a thin loin cut folded on itself and wrapped in a webbing (the hairnet) to keep it's shape while cooking.
Joyce and I sat back while Andrew continued to tell us how special this cut was and the shop owner vowed it to be the best.
Meanwhile I notice Andrew's son Ben applying a knife to the lovely meat. The meat moved below the blade without a scratch. Ben looked up. He repositioned himself to apply more of his body weight. No progress.
Andrew finally looked at Ben and told him to "turn the knife over, you are obviously using the wrong side". Ben handed the knife to Andrew and suggested he give it a try.
Andrew, putting full body weight on the meat was able to chip off some chunks which were served.
I took a small bite and the meat grew in my mouth as I chewed to a size I was concerned might choke me.
Joyce meanwhile very politely said, "You know I don't think I can eat another bite. That was nice".
Making lemonade from lemons we all frequently remarked for the rest of the safari while eating....."This sure isn't the hairnet roast".
Now I'm sure Andrew has a different recollection of the event and I for one can't wait to hear his version.
Cheers
Jim
Waiting!!!!!
18 June 2016, 08:10
Frostbitquote:
Originally posted by D. Nelson:
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Originally posted by Frostbit:
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Originally posted by D. Nelson:
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Originally posted by Frostbit:
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Originally posted by fairgame:
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Originally posted by Frostbit:
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Originally posted by fairgame:
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Originally posted by D. Nelson:
Just save the ice for the champagne, I can drink warm beer!
Best regards, D. Nelson
Madam I travel with an ice maker.
Just beware of the "hairnet roast".
And I thought you Alaskans were tough.
Mate, there's tough, and then there's "hairnet" tough. Even Ben couldn't cut it.
OK Jim or Andrew, what's the story with the hairnet roast????? I need to be prepared! As long as Andrew has the iced champagne covered, I need to know about the roast!
Best regards, D. Nelson
First night in camp. Settling in, getting to know each other in person. Now it's time for dinner.
Out comes the soup appetizer, quite yummy. Andrew then tells us of the special treat we are having. Remember, we were first in for this camp so there is no game meat yet.
The special dinner was a lovely looking roast resembling a thin loin cut folded on itself and wrapped in a webbing (the hairnet) to keep it's shape while cooking.
Joyce and I sat back while Andrew continued to tell us how special this cut was and the shop owner vowed it to be the best.
Meanwhile I notice Andrew's son Ben applying a knife to the lovely meat. The meat moved below the blade without a scratch. Ben looked up. He repositioned himself to apply more of his body weight. No progress.
Andrew finally looked at Ben and told him to "turn the knife over, you are obviously using the wrong side". Ben handed the knife to Andrew and suggested he give it a try.
Andrew, putting full body weight on the meat was able to chip off some chunks which were served.
I took a small bite and the meat grew in my mouth as I chewed to a size I was concerned might choke me.
Joyce meanwhile very politely said, "You know I don't think I can eat another bite. That was nice".
Making lemonade from lemons we all frequently remarked for the rest of the safari while eating....."This sure isn't the hairnet roast".
Now I'm sure Andrew has a different recollection of the event and I for one can't wait to hear his version.
Cheers
Jim
Waiting!!!!!
Go ahead Andrew, give her your version. The poor woman has spoken of nothing other than her upcoming hunt with you every time we've talked with her. Visited her twice this last winter and you are all she talked about.

18 June 2016, 08:12
lavacaRoughest I've ever had it in Africa was 2012 in Masailand with no ice for the G&T's. I usually drink Scotch neat. For some reason, they could keep the beer cold, just couldn't make ice.
G&T's without ice, or limes, are tolerable if you are in Masailand. I hardly noticed.
18 June 2016, 11:47
fairgameJim, Joyce and Darin,
The hairnet roast was indeed rough and surprisingly disappointing. The only impression it made was a dent on the enamel of our teeth.
Won't be serving that again.
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18 June 2016, 11:50
fairgamequote:
Originally posted by lavaca:
Roughest I've ever had it in Africa was 2012 in Masailand with no ice for the G&T's. I usually drink Scotch neat. For some reason, they could keep the beer cold, just couldn't make ice.
G&T's without ice, or limes, are tolerable if you are in Masailand. I hardly noticed.
Most if not all PHs nowadays carry a 12v Engel that can make ice in about an hour. I now have also invested in a 12v ice maker just to cover all bases. Ice is absolutely essential for those who enjoy a cocktail at the end of the day and is an inherent part of the safari for some.
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On my very first safari in 1982 to Zimbabwe.
They had gas operated fridge which makes about one tray of ice a day.
At the fire place first evening, there was an America hunter enjoying a glass of whisky with ice.
Hew finished his whisky. and flipped what was left of ice over his shoulders and asked for a re-fill.
He got his whisky with no ice.
When he asked for ice, he was told there wasn't any left.
He got up and was trying to retrieve what he had thrown on the ground.
Of course, there was nothing left

18 June 2016, 19:54
D. Nelsonquote:
Originally posted by fairgame:
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Originally posted by lavaca:
Roughest I've ever had it in Africa was 2012 in Masailand with no ice for the G&T's. I usually drink Scotch neat. For some reason, they could keep the beer cold, just couldn't make ice.
G&T's without ice, or limes, are tolerable if you are in Masailand. I hardly noticed.
Most if not all PHs nowadays carry a 12v Engel that can make ice in about an hour. I now have also invested in a 12v ice maker just to cover all bases. Ice is absolutely essential for those who enjoy a cocktail at the end of the day and is an inherent part of the safari for some.
Ice and NO hairnet roast! Sounds like the perfect safari to me!

Darin
18 June 2016, 21:37
fujotupuOnce had a client who invited a small entourage from his business concern to join him and his wife on the hunt; some were shooters, the rest observers.
The missus had already advised us of her perks well in advance, one of which being an ice-bucket filled to the brim with ice and a serious screw-driver poured in and to be served every evening in the tent on returning to camp.
Well, regardless of the stock in the freezer, the supply just couldn't meet the demand and within a week a plane was chartered to fly in a large quantity of pre-packed ice cubes.
Half way through the hunt the supply plane brought in several coolboxes full of ice.
Her birthday cropped up two thirds into the hunt and another plane was chartered to bring yet more ice, a birthday cake and a case of vodka.
Where there's a will there's a way and needless to say, a good time was had by all.
Pity the late Faroukh isn't reading this.
P.S. Engels and 12V ice-makers didn't exist back then - we had to rely on kerosene fridges and freezers.
18 June 2016, 22:28
Tim ViningIce is one of camp's challenges. Always seem to make enough for a beverage or two.
Tim
18 June 2016, 22:35
fairgamequote:
Originally posted by fujotupu:
Once had a client who invited a small entourage from his business concern to join him and his wife on the hunt; some were shooters, the rest observers.
The missus had already advised us of her perks well in advance, one of which being an ice-bucket filled to the brim with ice and a serious screw-driver poured in and to be served every evening in the tent on returning to camp.
Well, regardless of the stock in the freezer, the supply just couldn't meet the demand and within a week a plane was chartered to fly in a large quantity of pre-packed ice cubes.
Half way through the hunt the supply plane brought in several coolboxes full of ice.
Her birthday cropped up two thirds into the hunt and another plane was chartered to bring yet more ice, a birthday cake and a case of vodka.
Where there's a will there's a way and needless to say, a good time was had by all.
Pity the late Faroukh isn't reading this.
P.S. Engels and 12V ice-makers didn't exist back then - we had to rely on kerosene fridges and freezers.
Did a similar safari many years back for 4 Lion hunters. The contract was a simple one liner - if they ran out of ice then they did not pay.
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19 June 2016, 00:10
D. Nelsonquote:
Originally posted by fujotupu:
Once had a client who invited a small entourage from his business concern to join him and his wife on the hunt; some were shooters, the rest observers.
The missus had already advised us of her perks well in advance, one of which being an ice-bucket filled to the brim with ice and a serious screw-driver poured in and to be served every evening in the tent on returning to camp.
Well, regardless of the stock in the freezer, the supply just couldn't meet the demand and within a week a plane was chartered to fly in a large quantity of pre-packed ice cubes.
Half way through the hunt the supply plane brought in several coolboxes full of ice.
Her birthday cropped up two thirds into the hunt and another plane was chartered to bring yet more ice, a birthday cake and a case of vodka.
Where there's a will there's a way and needless to say, a good time was had by all.
P.S. Engels and 12V ice-makers didn't exist back then - we had to rely on kerosene fridges and freezers.
My kind of woman! Are you listening, Andrew!

Best regards, D. Nelson
19 June 2016, 08:58
txsouthpawWell, with the missus and myself w/Andrew, her only request was that he not run out of wine. She did her best, but Andrew somehow was able to continue keeping the wine flowing.You'll have a wonderful and memorable time!
19 June 2016, 09:29
Frostbitquote:
Originally posted by txsouthpaw:
Well, with the missus and myself w/Andrew, her only request was that he not run out of wine. She did her best, but Andrew somehow was able to continue keeping the wine flowing.You'll have a wonderful and memorable time!
He was able to keep the Madam in bubbly as well.