https://metro.co.uk/2019/09/28...ed-animals-10823428/


Link has article and photos.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/...-ban-trophy-20319537


Another article on the issue.

The people researching and writing those articles are truly misinformed.

Give them a few years and they will require people have microchips..

An island full of sheep.....

A brexit diversion that will bite a lot of us in the arse.
l'm afraid Boris' bunny huggin' GF has been snorting Chris Packman's farts too long and it's gone to her head. Now she's sittin' on Boris's and he's caught the same cold....

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However, an exhaustive review by a US Congressional Committee found that trophy hunting was directly responsible for a decline in the numbers of elephants and lions as poaching was outpacing the reproductive rate.

Wonderful example of what is supposed to pass for present day "journalism." Poaching is the same as trophy hunting? I guess if you have an agenda, facts do not matter at all.

Muttly,
That is exactly how they see it...poaching and legal hunting—exactly the same to them.

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Give them a few years and they will require people have microchips..

Its already a mandatory requirement for cats and dogs; humans will be next, of that have no doubt and it will eliminate the use of passports etc.

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Give them a few years and they will require people have microchips..

Its already a mandatory requirement for cats and dogs; humans will be next, of that have no doubt and it will eliminate the use of passports etc.

Indeed, already a consideration for cybersecurity and “efficiency” (systems logon/logoff, physical access, etc).

https://www.govtech.com/blogs/...-privacy-debate.html

No need for that as people voluntarily carry their cell phones, use their credit cards etc. People are easy to track.

Member Alert

Dear SCI Member:

Over the weekend we became aware of an effort to fast-track an importation ban on many, if not all hunting trophies into the UK.



The move was announced by the Minister for International Wildlife Zac Goldsmith. Under the new policy, hunters from the UK will no longer be able bring heads, skins, or other body parts of wild animals from around the world.

On Sunday, Safari Club International sent a letter to Minister Goldsmith and others outlining our great concern over the pending move along with several recommendations including the essential component of engaging with the environmental ministries of the countries that manage the wildlife that will be affected by a potential ban, including Botswana, Mozambique, Namibia, South Africa, Tanzania, Zambia and Zimbabwe. It was emphasized that these countries should be consulted in order to fully understand the impact that a UK importation ban will have on the success of their conservation efforts.



At the same time, a second letter was sent to the embassies and ministers of the seven African countries that would be affected, notifying them of the issue and offering assistance in making contact with UK officials.



Additionally, a Member Alert has been issued to SCI chapters in the UK urging them to contact their Member of Parliament to express their objection to the proposed ban.



Recently 133 wildlife experts, in a letter to SCIENCE Magazine, placed scientific evidence over subjective sensitivities to recognize the importance of hunting in wildlife conservation. The authors also advised governments not to take actions that would undermine existing well-managed hunting programs. Although some of the wildlife experts admitted their personal discomfort with hunting, they noted that a "conservation policy that is not based on science threatens habitat and biodiversity and risks disempowering and impoverishing rural communities."



Should you have friends or associates in the UK wishing to making their voice known, please direct them here to find their MP at this link: https://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/mps/



They should act quickly and make sure their MP:

Listens to the locals who manage the species
Understands that revenue from legal hunting is used to fund conservation efforts
Recognizes that poaching is the real threat

There is nothing scientific about they're arguments it is only raw emotion. Raw emotion pushes everything these days as in global warming/climate change, etc.

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Originally posted by ledvm:
Muttly,
That is exactly how they see it...poaching and legal hunting—exactly the same to them.

Lane, don't worry, when the demarcates get through we won't have any guns to hunt with anyway!

……………………………………………….. Mac

Yep if "Feel the Bern" or Pocahontas get elected you could see something proposed here that looks very similar! IDIT! Idiots doing idiotic things!

When I lived in the UK briefly in the mid 90s, there was a movement to stop fishing. The antis went as far as donning scuba gear, so they could cut the lines of perch fishermen. Fox hunting was already pretty much a thing of the past. In order to run the hounds, the hunt clubs would drag a sack with the right odor. In order to own a shotgun (forget a handgun), you had to subject your home to an inspection by the police and show them your safe storage.

This is a country that gave us Hardy Bros, Holland & Holland, and the Glorious 12th.

I have said it before: I think two world wars altered the gene pool. Perhaps some Australians could repatriate to stiffen them up?

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In order to own a shotgun (forget a handgun), you had to subject your home to an inspection by the police and show them your safe storage.

This is British Law old chap and it was being administered back in the colonial days here in the then Tanganyika.

Though I was only a kid, I remember Police Sergeant Gillespie inspecting the old man's wall-bolted steel safe.

How could I remember the Sergeant? At the age of 17 he was the same fellow who took me for my driving test.

Some of these rather draconian laws are actually not bad even though they may seem like a pain in the ass at the time.

It might be a first step for the Yanks to follow - at least it may keep kids and undesirable gentry from easily getting their hands on weapons.

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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In order to own a shotgun (forget a handgun), you had to subject your home to an inspection by the police and show them your safe storage.

This is British Law old chap and it was being administered back in the colonial days here in the then Tanganyika.

Though I was only a kid, I remember Police Sergeant Gillespie inspecting the old man's wall-bolted steel safe.

How could I remember the Sergeant? At the age of 17 he was the same fellow who took me for my driving test.

Some of these rather draconian laws are actually not bad even though they may seem like a pain in the ass at the time.

It might be a first step for the Yanks to follow - at least it may keep kids and undesirable gentry from easily getting their hands on weapons.

Yeah.....I think we'll pass. I much prefer my dangerous freedom!

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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In order to own a shotgun (forget a handgun), you had to subject your home to an inspection by the police and show them your safe storage.

This is British Law old chap and it was being administered back in the colonial days here in the then Tanganyika.

Though I was only a kid, I remember Police Sergeant Gillespie inspecting the old man's wall-bolted steel safe.

How could I remember the Sergeant? At the age of 17 he was the same fellow who took me for my driving test.

Some of these rather draconian laws are actually not bad even though they may seem like a pain in the ass at the time.

It might be a first step for the Yanks to follow - at least it may keep kids and undesirable gentry from easily getting their hands on weapons.

Here in Canukistan guns need to be under lock and key. Doesn't stop the crooks from getting them, all it takes is a logging chain and a pick up truck to pull it out of the house and down the road.

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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In order to own a shotgun (forget a handgun), you had to subject your home to an inspection by the police and show them your safe storage.

This is British Law old chap and it was being administered back in the colonial days here in the then Tanganyika.

Though I was only a kid, I remember Police Sergeant Gillespie inspecting the old man's wall-bolted steel safe.

How could I remember the Sergeant? At the age of 17 he was the same fellow who took me for my driving test.

Some of these rather draconian laws are actually not bad even though they may seem like a pain in the ass at the time.

It might be a first step for the Yanks to follow - at least it may keep kids and undesirable gentry from easily getting their hands on weapons.

This quote deserves “ fuck off “
We Americans are the epitome of freedoms, rest of you can bend over for your government, grab your ankles and squeal like a pigs...

+1000. Fulvio now you know why Americans kicked the Brits ass in the Revolutionary War and had to save their asses in two World Wars. As far as I'm concerned never again.

And I didn't even mention the crime UK is dealing with after outlawing knives??? and the fact that you can get put in jail for certain speech??? In case you are wondering I was there earlier this year visiting my daughter and son in law who had spent 2&1/2 years in Scotland in grad school (repatriated now) and could not wait to get back to being "Yanks".

I was listening to "National Partisan Radio" the other day on my way back from Dallas. I do that once in a while to keep an eye on the prim and proper intellectuals who forget this country is made up of real people. Anyway, there was a segment on "Guns in America", some kind of two year study of the gun "problem" that NPR is somehow involved in. This particular segment had to do with "safe storage" and it was the usual propaganda. "Most Americans Agree". As soon as you hear that you know you are about to be deceived. Anyway, they did some kind of survey, and "most Americans agree" that there should be a federal law requiring gun owners to keep their guns unloaded under lock and key. Apparently there are already ?11 states with such legislation. They did not state what the exact survey question was (just as "most Americans" agree with 'background checks' ... what was the exact question please?).

So I will put this in context. About 6 months ago, I locked the back door after my wife came home from work and put the alarm on. Later, we retired to bed. Wife had moved the alarm controller downstairs as we had just had guests and forgot to move it back upstairs where we can hear the announcement when a door is opened etc. In the middle of the night, I wake up to flashlights in the hallway outside our bedroom. Within seconds, hand went to my LOADED 357 that was laying on the nightstand in the right orientation. If the gun had been LOCKED UP unloaded forget it.

Turns out the intruders were the local cops who had come to investigate an alarm event. The back door had not latched properly and the wind blew it open setting off the alarm. We heard nothing as the controller was downstairs. As I brought the gun up, the cops yelled "SHERIFF'S OFFICE" and I didn't fire.

I don't know how long it took them to get there but if the alarm was a real incident, and the worst had happened, it would have been too late.

Wife also has a loaded DA pistol in nightstand, hammer down safety off.

The rest of my guns, for the most part, are locked in a "safe room" with specially reinforced walls. Well there might be a shotgun or two strategically located behind doors ...

Bottom line, in my home, I will decide what I lock up and when. Not some politician. And not even law enforcement has the right to come into my home at any time, especially not in the middle of the night, unless they are specifically invited in.

+1

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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In order to own a shotgun (forget a handgun), you had to subject your home to an inspection by the police and show them your safe storage.

This is British Law old chap and it was being administered back in the colonial days here in the then Tanganyika.

Though I was only a kid, I remember Police Sergeant Gillespie inspecting the old man's wall-bolted steel safe.

How could I remember the Sergeant? At the age of 17 he was the same fellow who took me for my driving test.

Some of these rather draconian laws are actually not bad even though they may seem like a pain in the ass at the time.

It might be a first step for the Yanks to follow - at least it may keep kids and undesirable gentry from easily getting their hands on weapons.

Yeah.....I think we'll pass. I much prefer my dangerous freedom!

+1 on the highlighted statement above.

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Originally posted by drj:
+1000. Fulvio now you know why Americans kicked the Brits ass in the Revolutionary War and had to save their asses in two World Wars. As far as I'm concerned never again.

This one should hit home as well.......it wont.......but it should.

During WWI, the Brits had essentially the same gun laws we had.

Prior to WWII, their laws were quite similar to ours now.

The gun laws had nothing to do with the world wars.

I would venture to say that losing such a huge percentage of their population to wars probably had a stronger effect on the desire to make society safer, to the point that they exercised some degree of behavioral conditioning through the education system and laws/acts to “ensure” that no one was a threat. Then they had significant domestic terrorism issues with the various separatist groups like the IRA.

Look at us now, we have a group of people pushing for this same system, and it is no where near as violent a situation as the wars were.

I agree that I prefer our freedom, but it’s not because we are some morally superior supermen. If we don’t get a handle on the indoctrination going on in schools here, we will be in the same boat, eventually. Heck, we have the same emotional types going on about hunting trophies here. Our “Cecil act” nonsense is identical.

But this whole thing probably belongs in the PF.

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by fulvio:

quote:

In order to own a shotgun (forget a handgun), you had to subject your home to an inspection by the police and show them your safe storage.

This is British Law old chap and it was being administered back in the colonial days here in the then Tanganyika.

Though I was only a kid, I remember Police Sergeant Gillespie inspecting the old man's wall-bolted steel safe.

How could I remember the Sergeant? At the age of 17 he was the same fellow who took me for my driving test.

Some of these rather draconian laws are actually not bad even though they may seem like a pain in the ass at the time.

It might be a first step for the Yanks to follow - at least it may keep kids and undesirable gentry from easily getting their hands on weapons.

Yeah.....I think we'll pass. I much prefer my dangerous freedom!

+1 on the highlighted statement above.

Freedom from what exactly?

The firearm murder rate in the US is 138 times higher than that in the UK for 2018 (32.57pm vs 0.236pm) and every single other violent crime rate is very much higher, no matter how you judge this.

Personally I don't mind the local plod looking at my gun safe every 5 years if the overall result is that I don't need a loaded pistol beside my bed.

Stupid people making stupid laws.

Although I feel bad for UK sportsmen, from a “supply and demand” perspective, safari prices should start falling as more and more countries ban trophy imports.

BH63

BH63,

Point is the whole thing may fall apart and there won't be any cheap or expensive safaris to sell.

Mark

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Originally posted by boarkiller:

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Originally posted by fulvio:

quote:

In order to own a shotgun (forget a handgun), you had to subject your home to an inspection by the police and show them your safe storage.

This is British Law old chap and it was being administered back in the colonial days here in the then Tanganyika.

Though I was only a kid, I remember Police Sergeant Gillespie inspecting the old man's wall-bolted steel safe.

How could I remember the Sergeant? At the age of 17 he was the same fellow who took me for my driving test.

Some of these rather draconian laws are actually not bad even though they may seem like a pain in the ass at the time.

It might be a first step for the Yanks to follow - at least it may keep kids and undesirable gentry from easily getting their hands on weapons.

This quote deserves “ fuck off “
We Americans are the epitome of freedoms, rest of you can bend over for your government, grab your ankles and squeal like a pigs...

+1 Milan

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Originally posted by JTEX:

quote:

Originally posted by fulvio:

quote:

In order to own a shotgun (forget a handgun), you had to subject your home to an inspection by the police and show them your safe storage.

This is British Law old chap and it was being administered back in the colonial days here in the then Tanganyika.

Though I was only a kid, I remember Police Sergeant Gillespie inspecting the old man's wall-bolted steel safe.

How could I remember the Sergeant? At the age of 17 he was the same fellow who took me for my driving test.

Some of these rather draconian laws are actually not bad even though they may seem like a pain in the ass at the time.

It might be a first step for the Yanks to follow - at least it may keep kids and undesirable gentry from easily getting their hands on weapons.

Yeah.....I think we'll pass. I much prefer my dangerous freedom!

Amen!

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Originally posted by Kuwinda:

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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In order to own a shotgun (forget a handgun), you had to subject your home to an inspection by the police and show them your safe storage.

This is British Law old chap and it was being administered back in the colonial days here in the then Tanganyika.

Though I was only a kid, I remember Police Sergeant Gillespie inspecting the old man's wall-bolted steel safe.

How could I remember the Sergeant? At the age of 17 he was the same fellow who took me for my driving test.

Some of these rather draconian laws are actually not bad even though they may seem like a pain in the ass at the time.

It might be a first step for the Yanks to follow - at least it may keep kids and undesirable gentry from easily getting their hands on weapons.

Yeah.....I think we'll pass. I much prefer my dangerous freedom!

+1 on the highlighted statement above.

Freedom from what exactly?

The firearm murder rate in the US is 138 times higher than that in the UK for 2018 (32.57pm vs 0.236pm) and every single other violent crime rate is very much higher, no matter how you judge this.

Personally I don't mind the local plod looking at my gun safe every 5 years if the overall result is that I don't need a loaded pistol beside my bed .

Good. Stay in Scotland. As for us here in the USA, keep grubby hands off!

+1 Todd.

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Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
BH63,

Point is the whole thing may fall apart and there won't be any cheap or expensive safaris to sell.

Mark

You may be right. Already growing public sentiment against sport hunting has caused some hunters to hide their faces as if they are some type of degenerate. Increasing stigma, coupled with more hands wanting a piece of the hunting dollar is a bad combination.

BH63

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Originally posted by Kuwinda:

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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In order to own a shotgun (forget a handgun), you had to subject your home to an inspection by the police and show them your safe storage.

This is British Law old chap and it was being administered back in the colonial days here in the then Tanganyika.

Though I was only a kid, I remember Police Sergeant Gillespie inspecting the old man's wall-bolted steel safe.

How could I remember the Sergeant? At the age of 17 he was the same fellow who took me for my driving test.

Some of these rather draconian laws are actually not bad even though they may seem like a pain in the ass at the time.

It might be a first step for the Yanks to follow - at least it may keep kids and undesirable gentry from easily getting their hands on weapons.

Yeah.....I think we'll pass. I much prefer my dangerous freedom!

+1 on the highlighted statement above.

Freedom from what exactly?

The firearm murder rate in the US is 138 times higher than that in the UK for 2018 (32.57pm vs 0.236pm) and every single other violent crime rate is very much higher, no matter how you judge this.

Personally I don't mind the local plod looking at my gun safe every 5 years if the overall result is that I don't need a loaded pistol beside my bed.

Have fun in your little police state.

For as long as they let you.

You going to get the thugs and gang bangers to put their guns in a safe too?

Dont forget the potential upcoming lead ban ECHA is suggesting, not only for rifle and shotgun ammo and fishing equipment but also for .22 LR .

If there is no huntig,no need for weapons for civillians either , that will be subsitituted with wolfs and lynx ,bears and redhead Irish women .