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Originally posted by larryshores:
I watched the first part. There was not much in it. It was not as bad as I expected. Wish it was not on so late.

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One thing I did like is that they showed how well meaning volunteers get suckered into raising an "orphaned" lion cub and paying for it, but in reality are just subsidizing the industry. Same goes for all those places that let you walk with lions and hold an adorable lion cub.

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Originally posted by MJines: The reality is that we as hunters do ourselves no favors with canned lion hunts, it just makes it harder to defend other hunts.

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This is more and more true I am afraid Mike. I say that, because I hate to be un-supportive of any "hunting" - but the fact is this practice is NOT at all hunting. Its simply shooting/killing. When the animal in question is drugged/transported (from a fairly small pen) to a hunting block within 12 - 36 hours of said shooting, its really hard to call that hunting at all, or defend it. Some will try to tell you, they aren't drugged when we "hunt" them. No, that's not what I mean! The cat is drugged, loaded up in the truck, transported to shooting area and released - where he is so completely unfamiliar with his surroundings its obvious. That's why they all lay there growling / mock charging when the shooters arrive, like we've all seen on film. The lion has NO IDEA where he's at, where to go, or what's going on! What else do you think he's gonna do?

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Originally posted by GunsCore:
It wasn't horrible until the end when they made some jerky appeal to all hunters to look into the eyes of their prey and realize the injustice and horror and so on and so on of it all.

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Originally posted by Safaris Botswana Bound:
Well the Blood Lions was a bit of a wet blanket and failed to meet the anticipation and expectation , we kind of expected more , so much so concerned organizations and groups ( ethical conservation hunters ) were preparing statements and media reactions - most have been shelved as the film was so poor and the reaction non - existent .
We had hoped for a much better production to help us stop this practice or get it moved out of conservation / hunting into farming or some other category .
There was so much more that could have been done :
• There is no conservation value , the film only touched on this and did not drive it home - so some are still misinformed
• The practice of misleading hunters that it is a hunt - it is not a hunt it is a kill - there is a huge difference and this was not fully explained to deter hunters from booking these types of scams.
• The concept of lions being released with longer release periods makes the uninformed think the lions are self sustaining - it needed to be explained much more strongly that they are not self sustaining and no released lion is a fair chase .
• Hunters will hunt if it is not stigmatized - so more known PH’s and outfitters should have been incorporated to express distaste and express how ethical and professional hunters have little respect for hunters who kill canned hand raised lions. Garry and Paul did well but should have been afforded more airtime to drive this home.
• As you know Profit and Income is not a dirty word or bad thing - the documentary lost serious credibility when harboring on about money made - the emphasis should have been that the money made should have been reinvested in Lion conservation and other conservation issues.
* There should be no hunting of first generation released lions only once they are breeding and self sustaining.

Conservation Hunters are working to distance themselves from this practise and hopefully see it come to an end.

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Originally posted by Hunting the Box H:

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This is more and more true I am afraid Mike. I say that, because I hate to be un-supportive of any "hunting" - but the fact is this practice is NOT at all hunting. Its simply shooting/killing. When the animal in question is drugged/transported (from a fairly small pen) to a hunting block within 12 - 36 hours of said shooting, its really hard to call that hunting at all, or defend it. Some will try to tell you, they aren't drugged when we "hunt" them. No, that's not what I mean! The cat is drugged, loaded up in the truck, transported to shooting area and released - where he is so completely unfamiliar with his surroundings its obvious. That's why they all lay there growling / mock charging when the shooters arrive, like we've all seen on film. The lion has NO IDEA where he's at, where to go, or what's going on! What else do you think he's gonna do?

Aaron, I dont have a dog in this fight. I think that hunters should be left alone to do whatever they legally want.

But how is the hunt you are selling with Old Days safaris any different from what you describe above.

The simple fact of the matter is that these lions can be put into any size pen you like. the antis see it as the same thing.

We need to stop trying to appease them and fight for our legal right to conduct our hunts as we see fit.
Once they stop canned hunting, they will simply move to wild lions and then elephant and buffalo and eventually deer too.

They are not going to stop, hunters need to get off their asses and stop waiting for someone else to protect their right. Each and every hunter should be promoting hunting to all of his and her friends, relative and colleuges every single day. leaving undecided masses for the antis to target and turn against us is the biggest problem we face.

I hope you get well soon.
Ian