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The Germany parliament, the Bundestag, has raised concerns over the future of the Selous Game Reserve, the largest wildlife park in Africa, now facing a critical challenge to its survival after the government of Tanzania signed a contract to build a mega hydro-power project at Stiegler’s Gorge inside the park.

Bundestag Members had asked the German government to assist Tanzania to find alternative ways that would help this African nation to produce electricity outside the Selous Game Reserve, the wildest and largest wildlife sanctuary in Africa.

Members from parties forming the German coalition government said in a debate over a bill on the same subject that the envisaged mega hydro-power project will jeopardize the status of Selous Game Reserve as the World Heritage Site.

The only reason they are doing this is because Germany did not get the contract!

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Originally posted by Saeed:
The only reason they are doing this is because Germany did not get the contract!

BS!

Every industrialized nation built and builds hydro dams for their power needs but now they have problems with others doing the same?
That reminds me when everyone in US and Canada hates wolves and wants them gone and then in same token everyone wants to save lions
Kinda funny

Germany trying to continue to control long lost possessions.

Dominating the EU is not enough.

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Originally posted by AilsaWheels:
Germany trying to continue to control long lost possessions.

Dominating the EU is not enough.

Don't agree what you write here.
The German Parliament ( Bundestag ) has more done with GTZ than any other Country for the Financing of the SGR

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Originally posted by mboga biga bwana:

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Originally posted by AilsaWheels:
Germany trying to continue to control long lost possessions.

Dominating the EU is not enough.

Don't agree what you write here.
The German Parliament ( Bundestag ) has more done with GTZ than any other Country for the Financing of the SGR

How do you control a child? Rewards and threats. How did Germany control Duetsche Ost Afrika? Few rewards, mainly punishment.

I don't remember offhand when the Steigler Gorge Dam was initially proposed, but I remember hearing about it in the 1960's. If Germany was so concerned about it, why haven't they brought any solutions up in the last 50+ years. The water behind the dam will cover 1/40 of the Selous GR. Yes, that is a lot of pristine land, but certainly not devastating. Kariba is many times larger than the proposed reservoir in the Selous. Has that devastated wildlife in the Zambezi valley? If so, why doesn't Germany propose tearing down the Kariba and Cahora Bassa dam's and restoring it for wildlife?

There are over 100 major reservoirs in Germany. If the Bundestag cares about nature, why aren't they tearing those dam's down in their own back yard? Why do they want to play God in a colony they lost 100 years ago? Why does the Bundestag want to keep the citizens of Tanzania from having electric power and from developing into a second world economy?

You certainly have the right to disagree with me. I certainly make my share of mistakes. But, the actions of Germany are no different now than they were 120 years ago. Whether its a conscience decision or not, Germany is trying to control a sovereign people through rewards and punishment.

I stand by my original statement.


PS: I really like the signature line at the bottom of your post.

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Originally posted by boarkiller:
Every industrialized nation built and builds hydro dams for their power needs but now they have problems with others doing the same?

True, but we're also removing some of ours now because they weren't that great of an idea after all. A dose of hypocrisy mixed with a dose of wisdom......

Brett

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Originally posted by AilsaWheels



Germany is trying to control a sovereign people through rewards and punishment.

And?

That’s what foreign policy is all about

The Germans have done more for the Selous than any other actor.

I say, with few reservations, more power to them.

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The Germany parliament, the Bundestag, has raised concerns over the future of the Selous Game Reserve, the largest wildlife park in Africa, now facing a critical challenge to its survival after the government of Tanzania signed a contract to build a mega hydro-power project at Stiegler’s Gorge inside the park.

The Bundestag should go back to sleep. The destruction is already in full swing and there's nothing anyone can do to stop it, Not UNESCO and much less the German Parliament.

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Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
The Germans have done more for the Selous than any other actor.

That was a very long time ago when the going was good.

I tend to agree with a sovereign nation has a right to do what it wants with its own territory, and the west with its constant hand wringing about consumptive use is pretty much useless.

It’s a game reserve, yet the western powers that be are interfering with that use by all of their nannying about import restrictions. We would have more ground to stand on if the outfitters were not returning concessions due to an inability to sell lion and elephant hunts.

I also look at it as Tz did make agreements that they are now reneging on.

The whole idea of hydroelectric power being so good and renewable does depend on consistent rain... which as I recall is rather iffy in the Selous, so I have some concern about it being a cover for some other, most likely Chinese shenanigans.

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The whole idea of hydroelectric power being so good and renewable does depend on consistent rain... which as I recall is rather iffy in the Selous

Stiegler's Gorge is the catchment area and dam site fed by the Rufiji. The river is formed at the point where the Kilombero and Luwegu Rivers meet. The Great Ruaha River is one of Rufiji’s main tributaries and contributes the largest volume of water.

The dam is one of the dumber things happening in Tanzania right now, which is really saying something.

The cost won't be anywhere near estimated, as always. Why build a massive hydro when you have some of the largest gas reserves in the world, and already have several gas fired power plants? Not to mention the fact that the damn is in the middle of the country, far away from where the 2000MW would actually be used. The grid is incredibly poor and the transmission losses will be high. Tanzania's neighbors are having increasing private investment in their power generation, 10-200MW solar, wind, geothermal, etc. to great effect.

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Why build a massive hydro when you have some of the largest gas reserves in the world, and already have several gas fired power plants?

You and I and possibly a few others know the answer.

Do it with windmills! Ocean current generators! Yeah, there not perfect but the Selous is.

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Originally posted by 376 steyr:
Do it with windmills! Ocean current generators! Yeah, there not perfect but the Selous is.

Topography of the Selous is not conducive for windmills (they would be better along the coastline) but as already stated, Tanzania is endowed with trillions of cubic meters of natural gas (wells drilled and tapped), more than enough to power up the entire country and enough in reserve for export.

Go figure!

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Originally posted by 376 steyr:
Do it with windmills! Ocean current generators! Yeah, there not perfect but the Selous is.

Topography of the Selous is not conducive for windmills (they would be better along the coastline) but as already stated, Tanzania is endowed with trillions of cubic meters of natural gas (wells drilled and tapped), more than enough to power up the entire country and enough in reserve for export.

Go figure!

Interestingly enough there are two large wind projects in the works here, and I think at least one will go through.

Or you can generage power in TZ, sell it to Uganda, and then have Uganda sell it back to TZ... https://www.busiweek.com/fund-...nda-tanzania-border/