Hi,
boha showed some very nce pictures of his 9,3x63

Here is my Miller & Val. Greiss 9,3x63.

New members are welcome into the 9,3x63 shooters club!

ganyana -Only a barrell is not enough





Foliding peep sight is a nice option to the ironsights, folding nights sight and Voightländer Skoparette 4x!

Husky

What do you keep in that box on the stock? A change of clothes and a light lunch?

eric 98,
it's for the Biltong!
No, this is a easily removable cheek pad extension, while using the Scope. I just wish that the gunmakers of today could have have such an innovative system.



The removable Cheek pad.


The rifleithout the cheek pad.

Husky

Very nice rifle. But what is a 9.3x63 based on? Bigger in capacity to a 62 mm case but smaller than a 64?

Very classy, thanks for sharing!

I must confess ignorance here... What are the date on the cartridge, as compared to 9.3x62?

Regards,
Martin

It's like Christmas around here lately,with so many people showing their beautiful rifles.

Hi,
Thanks for feedback!

Here are some history about the 9,3x63:

The 9,3x63 was a very early RWS design featured by a very well known German big game hunter of those days named Alexander Floorstedt. They had a 9 x 63 (smaller case diameter - known as the Floorstedt-Cartridge) and the 9,3 x 63 as well as a 10,75 x 63 (very short lived forerunner of the later 10,75 x 68). The latter 2 having the same basic case dimensions. The 9,3x63mm cartridge are a very early design (approx. 1902 to 1905).

So, summing it up, one can say that the 9,3x63 was the FIRST high performing medium bore, introduced about 10 years earlier than the .375 H&H and the 9,3x64.

Today, only nuts like boha and me prefer it to the .375 H&H and the 9,3x64

Husky

Boha

quote:

So, summing it up, one can say that the 9,3x63 was the FIRST high performing medium bore, introduced about 10 years earlier than the .375 H&H and the 9,3x64.

Today, only nuts like boha and me prefer it to the .375 H&H and the 9,3x64

Sane as hatters, both of you!

Thanks for the story; can you get readymade brass, or do you form your own? What cartridge can you use to form brass in 9.3x63?

Regards,
Martin

You form them from the readily available 10,75x68, of course!


I´ve heard you can put duct-tape round the bullet to duplicate the famed banded bullets of Miller&Greiss..

Warum so einfach machen, wenn man es so schön komplizieren kann..
Boha

Banded bullets? Duct tape? You gotta be kidding.

What a terribly bad thing to do to a perfectly good 10.75x68 case!!

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
What a terribly bad thing to do to a perfectly good 10.75x68 case!!

My 10,75x68 (top) needed a little sister (the 10,75 probably younger,though), so she would not feel so lonely in needing that particular case. And I will start forming perfectly bad cases of 10,75 (bertram) and leave the Horneber for the big sister.
The sisters:



Boha

quote:

Originally posted by boha:
You form them from the readily available 10,75x68, of course!


I´ve heard you can put duct-tape round the bullet to duplicate the famed banded bullets of Miller&Greiss..

Warum so einfach machen, wenn man es so schön komplizieren kann..
Boha

boha, Is it yours Miller & Greiss cartridge??

Yes, we have to reinvent the Miller & Val. Greiss banded bullets concept -but also the .575 Miller & Greiss Magnum -the ultimate Classic Mauser cartridge


Atkinson, the 10,75x68 cases are so common in Sweden and Finland thet we actually don't know what we shall do with them..

Husky

quote:

Thanks for the story; can you get readymade brass, or do you form your own? What cartridge can you use to form brass in 9.3x63?

Martin,
Ken Stewart of South Africa makes new brass with the right headstamp!

Husky

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Originally posted by husky:




boha, Is it yours Miller & Greiss cartridge??

Nope - I do not have any ammo for it at all. Found the picture on the net http://www.municion.org
Boha

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I will not argue with you, Alf. I´ll just enjoy my rifle

It´s still older than the 375 H&H, but that doesn´t mean a damn thing, because I can enjoy my 375 H&H aswell.

We Banded Brothers of Bavaria

(I have been checkering a stock for a 9,3x62 of Cewe´s all day long so I am ready for the looney bin.)

Boha

I´m not supposed to say this but boha is quite the craftsman! He´s done two rifles for me this past winter but I haven´t yet been allowed to see them: They are to be delivered on midsummers eve in the traditional Finnish way:

He gives me the rifles, I thank him and then we get falling down drunk.

Our wives are looking forward to the merry happening!

Boha and Husky,

Congratulations to both you gentlemen on your superb rifles! I shudder to think of how much it would cost to get one made like these today especially with the solid rib on the barrel and the beautiful folding peep sight.

Cewe,

Please post pictures of your rifle when you receive it.

Cheers!

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Originally posted by ALF:
Husky and Boha:

I disagree on your history of the 9.3 X 63:

By all accounts it is not a RWS "invention" but a Mauser invention in the form of the "G" case as it only appeared much later as under the RWS headstamp ( 1928)

DWM listed it in their 1911 catalog under case number 515 ( the 10.75X68 case number is 515A)

The inception date is 1910, two years after the 10.75x68 also by Mauser and was last made in 1932.

Headstamps included RWS, DWM and Gecado.

The M&G version is just a propriatary version of the same cartridge being loaded with the M&G banded bullet

The smaller 9mm X 63 that you mention is based on the M88 (8x57) case ie the same case as the 9.3x62

Hi ALF,
Thank you for the information!
But with all respect,I have reasons to belive that i am right about the introduction year and by RWS of this caliber:

I bought the rifle from the first owners son in the year 2000. The son was then about 85 years old and he gave me the whole hisory of the rifle including some documents and also when and why his father had bought it...

If it was a Mauser invention I think that we would have seen atleast ONE original Mauser in this caliber?

But so far there are only my Miller & Greiss rifle and bohas Suhl(?) gulid rifle. Ganyana in Zim has or have had a barrell from a 9,3x63 Miller & Greiss.

But I agree with you when it was last listed in the 1934 RWS catalog.

Husky

Thanks for the replies to my questions! Lovely rifles, sad that we are limited to a total of six rifles/shotguns here in Sweden or it would have been great fun to have a really old classy rifle to bring out on special occations.

Regards,
Martin

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Hi ALF,
Your knowledge is impressive

Accordning to the information (The original Swedish rifle license) that I got from the first owners son was that the rifle was made in March 1904!
The first owner of the rifle had Interests in a Coffe Farm in German East Africa. He was planning to visit the Farm and hunt in 1906, but the farm went as many others bankrupcy in the same year and the rifle ws only used two! times for Moose hunts here in Sweden.

Could the 9,3x63 had been a proprierty cartridge of Miller & Val. Greiss, and later on loaded by bigger firms like RWS and DWM

Husky

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ALF,
One can only wish that the files of Miller & Greiss would be found.

Do you know if there are any .575 Miller & Greiss rifle in existence?



/Husky