I am thinking of doing this with my latest hunt video.I would like people who I don't know and are interested in seeing it to have access to it for a good price.At the same time have some kind of protection should it be used in a unapproved manner.This is just a thought I had.I wish that others would do this should I be interested in seeing their hunt myself.I don't know if this is possible just asking.I guess I would need the
permission of the people in the video. What about villagers?

George:

This is difficult. As you may know, I have given away thousands of my videos from various safaris. I was shocked to learn a couple of years ago that my DVDs were for sale on a German website. I have also learned of another instance of the DVDs being sold. I have never sold a single one.

There was recently a decidedly anti-hunting show which I think is called Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel. They hijacked some of Mark Sullivan's footage. He had no idea.

Copyright protection is a MUST. You might contact the people AT OUTDOOR VISIONS in TX. They sell a ton of hunting video. To be honest, a lot of them suck. As such, I think they must take pretty much any that come their way.

Thanks Larry.Wouldn't it have been a good thing if you had copyrighted one? Just asking.Can't MS do anything about that?

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Originally posted by shootaway:
I would like people who I don't know and are interested in seeing it to have access to it for a good price.
I guess I would need the permission of the people in the video. What about villagers?

If you don't have permission from the main players and you didn't have a commercial filming permit, the damages likely to be incurred (assuming the injured parties wanted to take you to the cleaners) would surpass any profit you would dream of making from the sale of your video.

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Originally posted by larryshores:
George:

You might contact the people AT OUTDOOR VISIONS in TX. They sell a ton of hunting video. To be honest, a lot of them suck.

Truer words have never been spoken.

Generally 95% of what is on his site is junk or can be found cheaper some where else.

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Originally posted by fujotupu:

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Originally posted by shootaway:
I would like people who I don't know and are interested in seeing it to have access to it for a good price.
I guess I would need the permission of the people in the video. What about villagers?

If you don't have permission from the main players and you didn't have a commercial filming permit, the damages likely to be incurred (assuming the injured parties wanted to take you to the cleaners) would surpass any profit you would dream of making from the sale of your video.

Almost all African countries have some sort of permit system for any film, video or writing (even novels) that could or might be sold.

http://www.news24.com/Africa/Z...n-Zim-parks-20150529

Ask Marc Watts (if you can find him.)

FYI, there is likely no issue with Bryant Gumbel using a clip of a copyrighted Sullivan DVD (there was also a very brief clip from one of Buzz's DVDs too). Google the "fair use" exception to copyright law. So long as the clip is limited and is done for the purpose of offering commentary and criticism (such as a news report or documentary), there is not an copyright infringement. In the case of the Real Sports program, it would be very difficult, in my view, to overcome the fair use defense based on how the clips were used.

Thanks Mike.
I thought that it might be a good idea if the vid was for sale and available to an interested person to watch instead of it being stored in my drawer forever.At the same time you get some control as to who watches it and if you can make 10 bucks off of it-ten bucks is ten bucks.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
Thanks Larry.Wouldn't it have been a good thing if you had copyrighted one? Just asking.Can't MS do anything about that?

George, I alerted Mark. I am not sure what he has done. He is not happy.

In my case, I was never going to sell it. I never thought anyone would do this. In case you were wondering, this is why I have not given away more. I am not in the business (never will be) and it pissed me off that someone (likely an AR member did this).

You can do pay-per-view on Youutube now.

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:
You can do pay-per-view on Youutube now.

How does that work?

Vimeo offers pay per view as well. I honestly think you'd be wasting your time. There is so much free stuff out there today that people just aren't willing to pay....or at least not enough to make it worthwhile, especially when your product is totally unknown.

I see you are Canadian. Basically any completed production is copyright protected unless you sign those rights away although pretty well everything on the internet gets used improperly these days and there really is little recourse. If you sell DVDs count on them being illegally uploaded to internet and if you upload to internet count on it being copied and used improperly.

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Originally posted by shootaway:

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:
You can do pay-per-view on Youutube now.

How does that work?

I dont know all the ins and outs as I only just went to watch a video on Youtube the other day and there was a $3 PPV barrier. I doubt it is hard to setup - everything on Youtube is pretty simple and you can manage it yourself with a good internet connection. The benefit of Youtube is everyone is searching it for content.

Sheephunterab - if you load your copyright content onto Youtube and someone else tries to use it on Youtube - there is a good chance the software will detect it.

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Sheephunterab - if you load your copyright content onto Youtube and someone else tries to use it on Youtube - there is a good chance the software will detect it.

With free after market software I can save any video to my computer and use as if I own it as far as Youtube is concerned.

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Originally posted by sheephunterab:

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Sheephunterab - if you load your copyright content onto Youtube and someone else tries to use it on Youtube - there is a good chance the software will detect it.

With free after market software I can save any video to my computer and use as if I own it as far as Youtube is concerned.

Exactly!

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by shootaway:
Thanks Larry.Wouldn't it have been a good thing if you had copyrighted one? Just asking.Can't MS do anything about that?

George, I alerted Mark. I am not sure what he has done. He is not happy.

In my case, I was never going to sell it. I never thought anyone would do this. In case you were wondering, this is why I have not given away more. I am not in the business (never will be) and it pissed me off that someone (likely an AR member did this).

Hi Larry, As one of the recipients of your excellent safaris discs, I'm saddened by this behaviour. Is there no way of back tracking these ungrateful bas@:;.s from their addresses. Then name and shame. Regards,jc

DVD sales are pretty well dead so pirated DVDs are at least one less worry. It's all about streaming these days. Much easier to rip off and much harder to track down. Still not much revenue though. It's killing the hunting DVD/streaming market along with the porn market. Too much free stuff!

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Originally posted by John Chalmers:

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by shootaway:
Thanks Larry.Wouldn't it have been a good thing if you had copyrighted one? Just asking.Can't MS do anything about that?

George, I alerted Mark. I am not sure what he has done. He is not happy.

In my case, I was never going to sell it. I never thought anyone would do this. In case you were wondering, this is why I have not given away more. I am not in the business (never will be) and it pissed me off that someone (likely an AR member did this).

Hi Larry, As one of the recipients of your excellent safaris discs, I'm saddened by this behaviour. Is there no way of back tracking these ungrateful bas@:;.s from their addresses. Then name and shame. Regards,jc

JC:

To start with it was all in German. It was just too much trouble .

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Originally posted by shootaway:
Thanks Mike.
I thought that it might be a good idea if the vid was for sale and available to an interested person to watch instead of it being stored in my drawer forever.At the same time you get some control as to who watches it and if you can make 10 bucks off of it-ten bucks is ten bucks.

It's easy to copyright something. At least in the U.S.A., all you do is fill out a form, pay a fee and send in a copy of what you want to copyright.

What is the advantage? In the U.S.A., if something is copyrighted before someone uses it illegally, the potentially penalties for unauthorized use are much higher making it much more attractive to an attorney who might want to take on your case.

Now to poke a little hole in the bubble of your aspirations. As nice as your video was for us and as good as the shooting was, I wouldn't pay a dime to watch it. I believe there is so much absolutly free on You Tube that one would be crazy to pay to watch that video.

Now if your video showed someone being attacked, gored or ripped to shreds by some crazed person or animal, that's a different story; you'd probably make boatloads of money.

So, you know what you need to do next time. Make sure someone is gored or ripped to shreds.

It is an idea I had.That of going to a sight and purchasing a video of someones hunt that I consider of interest for any particular reason.It may have nothing to do with seeing many animals or shooting but just a feeling of being there and sharing the experience.It could be a video recommended by others also.In that sense it may not be the end of the world to spend 20 dollars and watch it.It is not about making money.It is about having the video accessible.It could be a bad idea I don't know.It has come to mind however.I don't see anyones hunting video as a piece of crap if it does not have a charge in it etc...I think they have more value than we think.

i listen to podcasts basically all day. they are all free content, just like a lot of youtube channels. you can have your own youtube channel, and have ads placed on your channel. your traffic will determine your revenue i believe. the successful podcasts (joe rogan, adam carolla, etc...) believe in free content to the people, build an audience, and let the sponsors pay them. they have some of the most downloaded podcasts on earth, it seems to work.

There is a youtube channel called "hushin" (hunting - fishing). it is some blue collar guys that started posting youtube videos, and they now generate enough ad revenue to quit their day jobs. their videos are free to us, again, they make money on sponsors/ads. so it can be done.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
It is an idea I had.That of going to a sight and purchasing a video of someones hunt that I consider of interest for any particular reason.It may have nothing to do with seeing many animals or shooting but just a feeling of being there and sharing the experience.It could be a video recommended by others also.In that sense it may not be the end of the world to spend 20 dollars and watch it.It is not about making money.It is about having the video accessible.It could be a bad idea I don't know.It has come to mind however.I don't see anyones hunting video as a piece of crap if it does not have a charge in it etc...I think they have more value than we think.

I suspect a more realistic pay per view price would be in the .99-1.99 price range if you look at what's currently out there. When you consider that you can watch the latest Hollywood blockbusters for $4-6 on demand the pay per view prices on the net are pretty low. You'd need a ton of content to ever get any sponsorship or anything like that. The one genre that seems to be bucking the trend a bit are these hunting film tours http://huntingfilmtour.com/ If you already have the videos produced, give it a try, there's nothing to lose.

Everything is going online. Printing up DVDs or anything on physical media at this point would be a waste of time. Look into the vimeo on demand

https://vimeo.com/ondemand/startselling

Become a pro member, upload your video, set a price, and you keep 90% (i believe). You can also allow the buyer to download a file of the video. I've paid for a few videos this way.

Also if you want to just give it away for free but have control over who can see it, you can simply password protect it and give the password out to people you choose.

Either way, once its out there, its out there. People are going to do what they want with it. The Hunting Consortium took my marco polo video, created a copy of it, uploaded it to their own youtube channel and used it to promote their Marco Polo Hunts, with no credit to me anywhere in it... I reported them to Youtube, and it was taken down. You just have to assume from the jump that its going to happen.

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Originally posted by sheephunterab:

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Sheephunterab - if you load your copyright content onto Youtube and someone else tries to use it on Youtube - there is a good chance the software will detect it.

With free after market software I can save any video to my computer and use as if I own it as far as Youtube is concerned.

Yes you can use it - but if you try to put it back on youtube it seems youtube can detect it. This same thing happened to me this week - I tried to load some content to youtube for friends to watch and youtube detected that it was copyright material, already loaded onto youtube elsewhere. The original video was not taken from an online source, so there were no identifying tags on it.

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:

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Originally posted by sheephunterab:

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Sheephunterab - if you load your copyright content onto Youtube and someone else tries to use it on Youtube - there is a good chance the software will detect it.

With free after market software I can save any video to my computer and use as if I own it as far as Youtube is concerned.

Yes you can use it - but if you try to put it back on youtube it seems youtube can detect it. This same thing happened to me this week - I tried to load some content to youtube for friends to watch and youtube detected that it was copyright material, already loaded onto youtube elsewhere. The original video was not taken from an online source, so there were no identifying tags on it.

Not sure what happened there but it's easy to download any video off the net and resave it, giving it new properties so there is nothing to detect but the properties you give it when you save it. It's even editable at that point. If you think anything is safe on Youtube you are fooling yourself. There is tons of free software available for that exact purpose. We actually had an issue with one of our Youtube channels and lost access to it so I simply downloaded all the video and uploaded it to a new channel. It was easier than trying to find it again on my remote drives.

I think I will make about 10 DVD's and give them away free.I will see what I decided to do later.Thanks for all the replies-I learned something new.