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I have always wanted to buy an H&H and now they have this new Rem. ultra mag. What do you guys think should i consider the Rem. Ultra mag.Its use would be for brown bear and african plains game. Thanks Dave | ||
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Dave, There really isn't a contest here, go with the .375 H&H. John Gannaway likes to say that the .375 H&H is like a pair of black shoes, everybody needs one. Seriously you can go anywhere in the world where there is hunting and find ammunition. The round is very effective on the animals you want to hunt, and is just a pleasure to shoot. You can also select your rifle from makers all over the planet, not so for the Remington. There is no guarantee that the .375 RUM will be around in 5 years. jim dodd ------------------ | |||
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Magazine capacity, reliability of bullet performance at normal hunting ranges, feeding & extraction properties and recoil levels all favor the H&H, IMHO. Only you can say if your skills are such that you can take advantage of the trajectory advantages offered by the RUM. I'd say, generally, that situations where the RUM could shine would be few and far between, especially in Africa. | |||
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| <ovis> |
Ditto above. The .375H&H is near perfection on any continent. | ||
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| <Yspen> |
Tanoose I asked exactly the same question on this forum about 7-8 months ago . I was strongly advised by all to stay with the H&H . Main reason given was managable recoil and cost of reloading . I bought myself a Sauer 202 in 375H&H and never looked back . It is all I ever wanted in a "big bore " . To be honest the hot loads in the H&H are at the limit of what I would regard as tolerable recoil . On the other hand a great deal of hunters here believe that loads for the H&H can most times be downloaded . So do you really need the extra velocity of the RUM ? Ben | ||
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I don't have the extensive game experience of many who frequent this forum, but I do have a .375 H&H and I've shot it a lot. The advantage of the Rem Ultra Mag over the H&H is trajectory, but there is not a huge difference at pracical hunting ranges. I think that it is hard to take advantage of the small differences in trajectory from improvised field rests because the recoil. It took me a lot of practice to be able to shoot my H&H really well from forks in trees, squatting, etc. and I'm not sure that I could shoot as accurately with even more recoil. As Dirty Harry said, "A man has got to know his limitations!". I think that one reason for the .375 H&H's continuing popularity is that it has about as much recoil as one can take and still shoot really well. Shooting standing or from a high bench, many shooters have told me that my .375 H&H's recoil is "no problem". I then ask them to shoot a few 5-shot groups prone or sitting and using shooting sticks. Group sizes get bigger than if they do the same with one of my smaller calibres. Furthermore, most bullets are tailored for the velocity of a .375 H*&H as well and may fragment on a close shot with a .375 RUM. Stick with the .375 H&H unless you have icewater in your veins... pb [This message has been edited by jpb (edited 04-28-2002).] | |||
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Thanks guys i thiunk i to will go with the 375 H&H, now a dicision on which rifle . Thanks again and one last question Hows the recoil com pared to the .338win mag. I shoot one in ruger m77 bolt and also the browning BAR semi . | |||
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Not a problem. Oftentimes, the .338's are less pleasant to shoot than the average .375. You'll enjoy it and gain some real satisfaction in the bargain. This time next year you'll be thinking about stepping up again!  | |||
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The 375 H&H rules hands down. ------------------ | |||
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| <Terry P> |
Tanoose, The 375HH is a great choice because of the lower recoil and the availability of ammo. I have both...the 338Win and the 375HH. If you can shoot the 338 the 375 will be no problem. Take a look at the controlled round feed models like the Winchester safari model. Also used Whitworths are a nice rifle for the money and the stainless Winchesters are a good buy if you like stainless. | ||
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| <Terry P> |
Tanoose, I forgot...the CZ rifles are a great rifle for the money (according to the people that own them). There is a BRNO for sale in the classified. The CZ is going to be my next rifle in a big bore. Good luck, Terry | ||
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| <Crash> |
TerryP...Damn STRAIGHT, and don't let is happen again! Crash | ||
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| <allen day> |
Like most of the gentlemen who've expressed an opinion here, I'm a fan of the .375 H&H. I'm not sure what's left for it to prove, but between availability, shootability, magazine capacity, inherent accuracy, and effectiveness, it would be very hard to improve on the old "Three-Six-Bits." The only other .375 that I'd consider is the .375 Weatherby. This was one of the late Warren Page's pet calibers, and it's a very good one, without getting into some of the drawbacks of the "Ultra" .375s. Thanks to Weatherby, it's once again a legitimate factory cartridge as well. AD | ||
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Please allow me to put three other players on the field: .376 Steyr .375 Dakota 9,5 x 66 SE vom Hofe. The last is a superb German cartridge that was developed maybe a decade ago, and which surpasses the .375 H & H in about every respect. It deserves more popularity. Carcano | |||
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| <Lobstick River> |
I vote for the 375 Rem Ultra as I own one and love it. 375 H+H is like the 30-06, everyone has one, except me and I like it that way. If you check out the video's on this site you will see they use the 375/404 an awful lot which is very similar to the 375 Rem Ultra. I am curious though, if when the 300 Win Mag first came out if someone was asked which one to get, 300 Winny or 300 H+H if they were told back then the H+H because it has been around for a long time and in 5 years the Winny may not be. | ||
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LR- My sentiments exactly.  I'g go for the Ultra and never a touch of nostalgic remorse. | |||
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Yep, The 375 RUM is the best use the 404 Jeffery case has ever been put to. I too was wondering if it is such a lousy idea, how come Saeed does so well with an almost identical concept? ------------------ | |||
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| <martin f> |
quote: Carcano, these cartridges may be well designed and deserve more popularity, but IMO they will not get it, for very practical reasons. Best regards, | ||
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The .375 H&H Mag vs a 375 RUM Sort of like ... a classic vs a fad. If you want to own the "latest" and "keep up with the Jones's", the RUM. If you want to own something proven and tested and available almost everywhere, the H&H. Personally in big bores, instead of "faster" I think larger calibre and heavier projectile is the way to improve effectiveness. The .300 Win Mag was mentioned. I think it is a cartridge that does not know it is finished yet. ie with its short neck and with the WSM and similar is its death knell. ------------------ | |||
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(Tongue in cheek) Now if they called it the 375/404 that would be great and almost sounds like a classic. But the Remington ULTRA MAGNUM. Sounds like a laundry washing powder!! ------------------ | |||
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| <T/Jazz> |
OK now hear is a question or a good example of what a world wide popular caliber has going for it these days. Lets suppose you are going to Africa with your 375 Ultra mag and somehow your ammo does not arrive with you and your gun. Now where do you suppose your going to find that ammo in Africa, when the stores I deal with hear in the mid-west USA haven't gotten any as of yet. Oh yes they have the rifes! NO AMMO. | ||
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I will stick with the 375 H&H..the Ultramag and its kin or too fast and tend to destroy the integrity of the bullets... A flat shooting 375 is not my goal and never will be, if I want something really flat then I will shoot a 300 "sumpen er other"..Shooting dangerous game at long range is something I do not do.. I think the 375 H&H shoots flat enough for me, even if I do have to hold 2" higher than a Ultramag whiz! Hell, I can wiggle off or on that much at near any range. this trajectory thing is overplayed all to hell and back, the differences are so slight. ------------------ | |||
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| <Indiana Tone> |
I like the 375 H&H but Iam leaning towards the 375 Dakota. | ||
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Yep, A 375 H&H is like a pair of black shoes, everybody ought to have at least one. That is why I have a pair of 375 H&H's: one factory, one custom. But I can see the appeal of some other cases coupled with this, the true hunters caliber. I also have a pair of 375 RUM's in the works: one factory, one custom. I got a great 378 Weatherby by rechambering a CZ 550. I have an FN Mauser that is a 375/338. They can all be loaded to duplicate the 375 H&H ballistics, and some can do more. The 375 Dakota sounds like a winner too, but for the country bumpkin such as I, the 375 RUM is just a lot easier. Some of our fussing here doesn't amount to diddley squat. ------------------ | |||
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| <jthessen> |
If I am not misinformed, a 375 RUM reamer will clean up a H&H , of course the rum can be downloaded to suit your recoil tolerance, and like barrel length decisions you can easily go one way. I always like the argument "I want something not everybody else have" I guess its where your priorities are at, image issue or to be able to hunt when replacement ammo is needed. Oh well, try them both and then decide. All the best Jens [This message has been edited by jthessen (edited 04-30-2002).] | ||
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And I forgot about the 375 Weatherby on a Mark X Mauser clone I started shooting back in the mid 80's. That makes seven of them. I guess I got more than enough 375's, after several decades of this play. By all means start with a 375 H&H, it is really all that is necessary for anything on this planet. ------------------ | |||
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Thanks again guys , i think i'll go with a winchester classic stainless with sights in .375 H&H. | |||
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I came late to this topic, but I feel compelled to throw in my view! Aside the fact the 375 RUM is nothing more than an attempt by Remington to sell more guns, before the RUM, there were the 375 and 378 WBY and neither proved to be a strong competitor to the old H&H. Both Wby calibers bested the H&H by a considerable margin yet failed to capture even a samll portion of the H&H's popularity. What makes you think the RUM is any better than the Weatherbys?, especially in a Model 700 with it's puny extractor, glued on handle and other wonders of cost saving "improvements"? The ONLY advantage the RUM has over the H&H is trajectory. An H&H is totally adequate to 300 plus yards. WHY on earth would you want to shoot the type of animal that caliber was designed for at varmint-like ranges? Ultra mag? no, more like Ultra-NONSENSE. Stick with the H&H. jorge | |||
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DaggaRon...you missed one....the Lazzeroni 9.53 HellCat (based on the short Patriot case) will give you 2600+ fps with the 300gr Nosler. | |||
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DB Bill, Yep, that would be a nice one too, but I think I have kind of gone overboard on 375's already, so I will continue to miss that one, alas, unless "sumbuddy" wants to give me one ... Overkill might need a sensible rifle worse than I do, however, so maybe that would be more humane to send it to him, with a set of training wheels and rubber bullets. For the "moos" future sake. ------------------ | |||
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| <mikeh416Rigby> |
Go with the old standby, the H&H. Field proven for many decades, ammo available almost anywhere in the world. I picked up the Winchester Classic Stainless because the price is great, and they shoot even better. I just spray painted the barrel flat black, and every P.H. whose seen it wants it. | ||
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Of course the H&H are that ever a man needs. No doubt. But this would be a rather boring forum, if the only two calibers in the world was 30-06, and 375H&H!! I to, like the words; "I want something that not every one else have!!" I'll say: Go for the RUM!! (I know, I'm going to!). PS: You dont have to start on MAX -loads, you know. Work your way up, and get use to the recoil. ------------------ Arild. | |||
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Somebody wrote an article in the Magnum magazine this month of the 375 Ultra mag in the end he wrote : "A beetle can do 65 mph but a ferrari 180 mph you don't need to go that fast but you can if you wanted too" I will still stick to my 375 H&H but a person can do the same with his 375 Ultra than the 375 H&h and even more. I actually wonder if it wouldn't do better with the new 350 grain bullets imagine a 350 grain solid bullet for elephant ? I don't know if anybody does make a solid for 375 in that size maybe they should start thinking of it. Safari-Hunt | |||
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