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I inhereted a Ruger, I assume a Model 77 MkII Magnum, in 416 Rigby. Which Quick detatchable Scope mount will fit it? TerryR | ||
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Terry, I seem to recall that you can add levers to the existing Ruger mounts to make them quick dettach..I think Ray has posted before on this, but I don't recall who actually makes the levers. I am surprised Ruger do not do something similar for their Ruger Express rifle.... Other than that, I think your down to Warne and possibily Talley, Regards Pete | |||
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Warne's work depending upon the length of the scope tube. Talley does not make QD's for the Ruger. "There are worse memorials to a life well-lived than a pair of elephant tusks." Robert Ruark | |||
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To add to SBT's post, I was just futzing with mine yesterday and found that my Leupold 2-7x33 would not work as the tube is too short. The mounts on the Ruger M77 Mark II Magnum (375/416/458) require about 5.5 inches of length between the objectives. This means a 3-9 should work (min 5.6 inches required per the Leopold website), in addition to a straight-tube scope like the 1.5-5x20's. For reference, here's a link to the Warne's at Brownells: http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=15493 | |||
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My Ruger Rigby sports Warne's. They work s advertised. jorge  USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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The damn Warnes on that Ruger will get you in a fix when recoil flips those spring held levers to a straight back position and it locks up the uplift of your bolt, been there done that and never again.... Any decent gunsmith with a tig welder and a small arm of steel can make a lever for the standard Ruger rings..and they work great. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Ray, I know you have posted this before, but after around 200 shots w/a Lott, this never happened. It has been hypothesized on previous threads about this subject that perhaps they strengthened the spring tension on the newer mounts. I just cannot see this happening. And even if they did Ray, they may have shortened them. If you "point" the rear lever at the bolt and cycle the action, the bolt handle clears the lever, and it does not obstruct at least my grasp of the bolt handle in any way. In any position, the levers do not interfere with the operation of the gun. If you want, I can send you a pair to look at so you can see what I mean, let me know. The "weak link" on the Warne's might be the "tabs" that insert into the mounts. But just because mine broke on the Lott, does not mean they will snap on the 375/416's or even other Lott's. Regards, Bill | |||
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Bill & Ray: I have well over 400 rounds though my 416 without incident. I've also placed them like Bill said and they do not seem to interfere with the bolt at all. Besides, all I'm gonna need is one shot!  jorgeUSN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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In which case I suggest that you use them, I will not, never again...It nearly got me stomped in the mud... Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Ray, I would have thought being stomped in the mud was a beuty treatment for you...  Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I agree with Bill and Jorge on these particulars. Mine own Warne QD's will not interfere with the Ruger bolt handle operation no matter which way they get placed. And, I have posted this fact here before, trying to get Ray's goat, or rather to render and clarify Ray's goat. Ray surely must have had the problem with a different rifle setup. Probably one of those lousy Mausers.  | |||
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TerryR,Earnst Apel (EAW mounts) makes a pretty slick set of detachable pivot mounts for Ruger 77's. http://www.eaw.de/ Cheers, Gerry Cheers, Number 10 | |||
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Why not just turn the Warne's around so that the lever is on the left side? | |||
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Ahh, that advantage of being left handed. The Talley levers are on the right side, away from the ejection port and the bolt handle.Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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Pete E: The rifle in question is a pre-64 Model 70 (1941 manufacture) in 300 H&H topped with a Swarovski "A" line 2.5X10 scope. I was planning to take it to AFrica as my light rifle, but I might go with my 300 Weatherby instead. The rifle's age causes me concern that it might decide to give up the ghost while over there. I am considering sending it to Mark Penrod for a "physical" but my trip's only 5 months away and Mark's pretty busy. jorge USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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Ruger base will only accept them one way. If you could turn them 180 degrees, the Mauser style bolt release would block the lever, on the Ruger. Same problem with a Mauser and the Maxima base, which will accept the rings with a 180 degree switch, but the bolt release still blocks the lever on a Mauser, hence Ray's problem. He must have been using the low rings and the Mauser bolt hits the lever when it gets out of alignment. The lowest of Ruger Warne QD rings are NOT LOW. The Warne QD Maxima/QRW-style ring and base combo is definitely a better design than their Ruger. | |||
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Thank you for the responses. I think that I'm going to look into the eaw mount. | |||
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TerryR: A word of caution about the EAW mounts. According to some, the EAWs don't hold up well in calibers above 375 H&H. I have a set on my 375 H&H and had no problems whatsoever in AFrica. Also, they are a bit tricky to install. jorge USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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TerryR,Like jorge; I also have a set of Magnum Pivot EAW mounts on my .375 H&H Winchester Model 70. I've never had the slightest issue with this mounting system or had any confidence loss. I bounce back and forth between the open sights, a 6x42 S&B and a 7000SC-2X AimPoint at will and have never observed any sighting degradation with this combination. I've also heard some whining and periferal mount bashing regarding EAW's but it's all been hearsay; when push comes to shove I've never personally witnessed a failure or known anyone else who has. It's always been a friend who knows someone else's friend sorta thing..... I've a four sets of EAW mounts on rifles in my battery and on the top end of the recoil (reliability) scale neither the .375 or the 9.3x62 have ever given me any issues. I've got a .416 Taylor project under construction at the moment and it will also wear EAW's when all the bits & pieces are assembled. I've every faith in this system. Since I've mounted so many sets of EAW's I feel there is no trick to getting them right the first time but I guess if someone is unfamiliar with the mounts and the mounting concept there COULD potentialy be some initial unfamiliarity. I find the instuction sheet perfectly adequate and I'm the guy that took Algebra I three times in High School, go figure, just color me daft.  Also I've found the customer service reps at EAW to be exceptionally helpful and extremely knowledgable. Have fun figuring out what you would like for your .365 H&H - Good Luck. Cheers, Gerry Cheers, Number 10 | |||
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jorge, Thanks for that! I thought that scope looked a bit European! :-) With regards the EAW mounts a friend did have problems with them on a .243win of all things and that was despite him never using the quick dettach feature. When he took his rifle into a local gunsmith, he was told the EAW were installed "incorrectly" and they soon sorted it out for him.. I was also in JA Roberts shop in London a couple of years back and one of the chaps there said he had reservations about EAW on anything that kicked more than a .375 H&H ...He did not specify whether that include the magnum version of the mounts.. .He was however trying to explain the merits of their own hand built mounts on big kickers...However they would have to be very special indeed as they would set you back something like $2200 installed (and thats not a typo!) regards, Pete | |||
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No problem, Pete. I went and re-read the passage in Boddington's book, "African Rifles & Cartridges" and it's in there. They've been fine on my 375 H&H, but Craig does not recommend them on bigger calibers.jorge USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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I took a nice chunk out of my knuckle while hurredly jacking another round into the chamber for a quick second shot. I have since used a dremel tool and a file to round off the edges of my levers... Mark Jackson  | |||
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