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How often have you heard this old adage? In most countries this is a "secret" oath amongst PH's. Anyone care to share their thoughts? "...Them, they were Giants!" J.A. Hunter describing the early explorers and settlers of East Africa hunting is not about the killing but about the chase of the hunt.... Ortega Y Gasset | ||
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Bunny Allen claimed that so he could screw around with clients wives and girlfriends. | |||
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Bunny was a great "raconteur" in the pure sense of the word. If he slept with every female he claims he did not only would he have hardly had time to hunt but he would not have lived to his ripe old age; some infuriated husband/boyfriend would have seen to that  "...Them, they were Giants!" J.A. Hunter describing the early explorers and settlers of East Africa hunting is not about the killing but about the chase of the hunt.... Ortega Y Gasset | |||
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I am not a big fan of this type of thinking. It is currently being used in the USA for advertising trips to Las Vegas. A person of integrity is a person of integrity in the bush as well as at home. My dad was a salesman his entire adult life. He played golf with customers regularly with me as a caddy. His comment to me was - if a guy will cheat at golf - a sport that truly defines how a person deals with success and failure with no one to blame but himself (much like hunting) - he will cheat you in a business deal. The theory is that if he will cheat himself, he will cheat you. So - my suggestion is don't do anything in the bush that you would not want your 9 year old daughter to see or for your loved ones to find out about. As a post script - I would not have shot Bunny Allen for his exploits - my wife would have at the first overture. | |||
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Good post Dogcat! Couldn't have said it better myself. peter. Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | |||
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dogcat You summed it up very well. Good show! Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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Ethics is defined by what you do when when no ones looking. | |||
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Honor can not be taken away. You must give it away. Once it is given no one can give it back. Can it be regained? That will depend on the eye of the beholder. I love it that my wife knows the worst thing I do away from her is to spen to much time in a gun shop. Semper Fi WE BAND OF BUBBAS STC Hunting Club | |||
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If you don't think PHs gossip about what clients did, think again. | |||
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In a similar vein, My son and I just returned from a sailing cruise in the British virgin Islands. On our last night on the boat we stopped at a floating bar that has a reputation for wild behavior. After one beer my son said to me "this is kind of sad, a bunch of middle aged people trying to hard to be wild and crazy. Let's go back to the boat". I guess what happens on the Willie T stays on the Willie T, but the sight of a few 50 year olds trying to "get down" to bad rap music is a picture I wish had stayed on the Willie T not in my memory. Also, don't forget, as Paris Hilton and others did, in today's day and age you are never far from a video camera. TerryR | |||
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Congratulations Gentlemen, Your values are a rare commodity in this day and age, you are to be commended. Lynn D | |||
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Here, Here Allen & Dogcat!!! Thanks for saying it so well. Minkman | |||
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Well, looks like we are all squeaky clean. | |||
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Bull. | |||
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I don't know, maybe we latins are different, but we don't mess honour with women at less they are a friend relative...a close friend....a VERY close friend  Are we guilty for being different of our northern blond cousins??  You make me feel like the black sheep of the family  L | |||
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I gave up cigars, drinking, and women...it was the most horrible 5 minutes of my life Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Ok, I admit, I'm completely naive. I've never been on safari, so what are these stories of which so many of you speak? --->Happiness is nothing but health and a poor memory<---Albert Schweitzer --->All I ever wanted was to be somebody; I guess I should have been more specific<---Lily Tomlin | |||
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How many of us practice what we preach? I have been guilty of this myself  "...Them, they were Giants!" J.A. Hunter describing the early explorers and settlers of East Africa hunting is not about the killing but about the chase of the hunt.... Ortega Y Gasset | |||
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I suppose who ever uses the words needs to hide something. It is true that a lot of PH's gossip about clients but how many PH's really know the client by name when they do? The chances are also quite slim that the PH's that were gossiping would be together again if the client should come back for the next hunt and laugh behind is back "That was him ....." It usually goes like this "You know that client I had last month ...... " or " That damn yank I had last time couldn't hit an ele at 10 feet ...." Frederik Cocquyt I always try to use enough gun but then sometimes a brainshot works just as good. | |||
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The range of stupid, incompetent, ridiculous, humourous or immoral behaviour that PH's observe while guiding hunters is too vast to put it all in one bucket. There are undoubtedly thousands of cases of missed shots, bad shots, bad reflexes, mistaken animals, wrong cartridge selection (as in wrong caliber for the rifle being carried), wrong cartridge selection (as in being overgunned or undergunned for the game) that PH's for the most part just write up as part of the business. And of course they gossip about it among themselves and with certain clients. As for immoral or illegal behaviour, most of the PH's I know wouldn't tolerate it and the notion that "it stays in the bush" doesn't apply. _________________________________ AR, where the hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history become the nattering nabobs of negativisim. | |||
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Immoral or illegal behaviour on the part of the PH in the bush happens so much more often than we get to hear because "it stays in the bush"  "...Them, they were Giants!" J.A. Hunter describing the early explorers and settlers of East Africa hunting is not about the killing but about the chase of the hunt.... Ortega Y Gasset | |||
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I don't believe that morality is a part time pursuit. I've found that if you put forth a serious effort to act morally, then most people around you will do the same.  $bob$  | |||
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Goodness! I thought someone was talking about bowel movements! for every hour in front of the computer you should have 3 hours outside | |||
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It depends on which bush you are talking about. | |||
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I assure you one thing, if a PH acts in such a manner, it will catch up with him, and he will never reach his zenneth as a professional hunter, he will forfiet that for his actions, and his booking agent will go by the wayside, the word will get out everytime... I have seen it many times and can name every one of them...but thats not my business, my business lies only with the PHs that I book for. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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well I don't claim to be squeaky clean and I don't hold a holier than thou attitude either. I don't see anything wrong with a trip thru the bush on the way to the waterhole. | |||
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