Ladies and Gentleman,

We would like to give some AR members the oppertunity to book early for a 2009 PG HUNT in the Limpopo Province of South Africa, at a serious discount.

Although we will allow a 1x1 booking, it must be said that this is a good hunt for a 2x2 booking (2 hunters x 2 PH's). This is ideal for a father and son, two friends, or even a husband and wife hunting team.

INCLUDED IN THE PRICE IS A FULLY EDITED DVD, FILMED AND PRODUCE BY A PRO, OF YOUR EXPERIENCE!

The details as follow:

7 Days
Each hunter can shoot one of each:
1xBlue Wildbeest Bull
1xZebra
1xImpala Ram
1xBlesbok
1xWarthog

Other animals can be added to this list from the price list on our web-site.

PRICE- $4400.00

Terms and Conditions:
Confirmation of booking: A $1000.00 deposit into our South African bank account, is required to confirm a booking. The rest of the total day rate is payable on the first day of arrival. The balance on the account will be settled on the last day of the Safari, PRIOR to airport departure. Deposits are NOT refundable. Payment must be made by recognized travelers cheque or cash. Special Credit Card fascilitties available upon request.
Trophy fees are payable on all animals killed, or wounded and lost.
Observer: An observer is a non-hunter. The moment the observer wants to shoot an animal; his status will change to that of a hunter. The day rate for this person will then be calculated as that of a hunter for the whole duration of the Safari.

What do the Package include?
Trophy fees of animals listed on the package.
Exclusive use of hunting areas and privacy guaranteed.
The services of a licensed professional hunter.
Trackers, skinners and camp staff.
Airport pick up and drop off
Facilitating of firearm import permits
Full accommodation and catering( soft drinks, alcohol excluded)
Daily laundry services.
Skinning and field preparation of trophies.
Hunting vehicle and equipment.
Delivery of trophies to a South African taxidermist and/or shipping company. (Remember that we facilitate the export of your trophies in conjuncture with the taxidermist)

What do the Package exclude?
Trophy fees of additional animals not listed on the package.
Taxidermist fees.
All Alcohol (Will be available in camp)
CITES permits and hunting licenses, where applicable.
Airline tickets, domestic and international.
Gratuities.
Rifle Hire excluding ammunition ($10.00 per day)
Personal and travel insurance
International calls from landlines or satellite phones
$10.00 fee per trophy exported, for the PHASA(Professional hunters association of South Africa) conservation fund. This is for a good cause in hunting. More detail will be forwarded upon request.

Observers welcome at $100.00 per day.

AR members available as ref.

We look forward to hear from you,

Please e-mail to info@infinito-safaris.com for booking instructions or PM me.

Thanks

Charl van Rooyen
www.infinito-safaris.com

quote:

Originally posted by infinito:
Infinito Safaris reserves the right to change any terms, conditions and prices without notice. Rates at the time of the hunt will apply.

Is this normal?
It sounds like a one sided contract.

Charl,

Thank you for posting this here.

A couple of points caught my attention, which you might wish to look into.

My understanding is that once a contract is eneterd into, and a deposit is paid, terms and conditions cannt be changed.

Observer to hunter daily rate.

When I was looking for an outfir to hunt with in South Africa, this was a point I did not like. As some of our friends only wanted to shot an animal or two during their two weeks safari. Some outfitters I talked to insisted that the status of the observer changes as soon as he shoots anything.

One outfiter in particular - Peter Harris of Ntshonalanga safaris - went the other way. He did not just waive this requirement, but gave us a daily rate for everyone - includng the hunters - that was normally given to an observer.

Needless to say, we hunted with Peter again. And he is is my first choice if I wanted to hunt in South Africa.

quote:

Originally posted by infinito:
Ladies and Gentleman,

We would like to give some AR members the oppertunity to book early for a 2009 PG HUNT in the Limpopo Province of South Africa, at a serious discount.

Although we will allow a 1x1 booking, it must be said that this is a good hunt for a 2x2 booking (2 hunters x 2 PH's). This is ideal for a father and son, two friends, or even a husband and wife hunting team.

INCLUDED IN THE PRICE IS A FULLY EDITED DVD, FILMED AND PRODUCE BY A PRO, OF YOUR EXPERIENCE!

The details as follow:

7 Days
Each hunter can shoot one of each:
1xBlue Wildbeest Bull
1xZebra
1xImpala Ram
1xBlesbok
1xWarthog

Other animals can be added to this list from the price list on our web-site.

PRICE- $4400.00

Terms and Conditions:
Confirmation of booking: A $1000.00 deposit into our South African bank account, is required to confirm a booking. The rest of the total day rate is payable on the first day of arrival. The balance on the account will be settled on the last day of the Safari, PRIOR to airport departure. Deposits are NOT refundable. Payment must be made by recognized travelers cheque or cash. Special Credit Card fascilitties available upon request.
Trophy fees are payable on all animals killed, or wounded and lost. Infinito Safaris reserves the right to change any terms, conditions and prices without notice. Rates at the time of the hunt will apply. Observer: An observer is a non-hunter. The moment the observer wants to shoot an animal; his status will change to that of a hunter. The day rate for this person will then be calculated as that of a hunter for the whole duration of the Safari.
What do the Package include?
Trophy fees of animals listed on the package.
Exclusive use of hunting areas and privacy guaranteed.
The services of a licensed professional hunter.
Trackers, skinners and camp staff.
Airport pick up and drop off
Facilitating of firearm import permits
Full accommodation and catering( soft drinks, alcohol excluded)
Daily laundry services.
Skinning and field preparation of trophies.
Hunting vehicle and equipment.
Delivery of trophies to a South African taxidermist and/or shipping company. (Remember that we facilitate the export of your trophies in conjuncture with the taxidermist)

What do the Package exclude?
Trophy fees of additional animals not listed on the package.
Taxidermist fees.
All Alcohol (Will be available in camp)
CITES permits and hunting licenses, where applicable.
Airline tickets, domestic and international.
Gratuities.
Rifle Hire excluding ammunition ($10.00 per day)
Personal and travel insurance
International calls from landlines or satellite phones
$10.00 fee per trophy exported, for the PHASA(Professional hunters association of South Africa) conservation fund. This is for a good cause in hunting. More detail will be forwarded upon request.

Observers welcome at $200.00 per day.

AR members available as ref.

This is a good hunting deal, straight forward with no strings attached.

We look forward to hear from you,

Please e-mail to info@infinito-safaris.com for booking instructions or PM me.

Thanks

Charl van Rooyen
www.infinito-safaris.com

Saeed and dddunn,

Thank you for your replies.

Although this condition can be found in many Outfitters contracts in south Africa, the concerns is of course understandable.

Our side of the coin is this. If a client books a Safaris now, for 1 year from now, and our total economy collapes, we must be able to change our arrangement with the client, for better or worse for him or us. This was advised to us by a seniour member of PHASA's exco, when we drafted these T&C's. It stays dark Africa after all.

I am more than happy to remove this condition from our contract, as it is not a big deal for us. I copied and pasted it from our contract into the advertsiment.

As far as observer rates goes. I know that a lot of people have different opinions on this, and I respect that.

I change my mind a lot about prices when people engage in correpsondence and we look at the bigger picture of the booking (read I'm open for negotiating). This particular hunt we realy want 2 Hunters to share the package.

Saeed, there are an AR member that can testify to this, as we have not asked his "observer" a cent extra, but he shot a lot of animals, and she a one Impala....

Observers eat the same food, get the same service, they also go on the truck, they just do not need a guide in the bush (read extra PH) and that is why we charge less for them than hunters. Some people change their mind, and then they become full fledged hunters when they get here. That is why the condition is there, and why I will never change it.

In practise though, I can give ref. of a lot of hunters that paid observer rates, and the observer then shot an animal or two without me charging a cent extra for (ussualy) her.

I will make a concession on the request posted here.

If this hunt is booked 2x2 as we would like to sell it, any observers are welcome to join us for $100.00's per day each. And the observers are welcome to shoot an animal or two....without being charged extra, save the trophy fee of the animal.

I hope this looks better, and I have now ammended the original post.

This should now be more attractive, and we hope that these changes would put your minds at rest.

Like you Saeed, I hate these written contracts, terms and conditions, and other nonsense. I still like to do business the good old way with a handshake. Sad thing is that the world had moved on.... and some of the recent posts here is living proof of that.

To this day I have not had ONE BAD experience with a client, simply because I am always prepared to be be the lesser man, and give the client the benefit of the doubt, as I believe FIRMLY in a African hunting experience must be the best one he will ever get, and that money issues MUST not ruin it for him/her........

I look forward to your replies.

I don't mind seeing the highlighted language in the advertisement/offer of the hunt. It tells me that they may not be able to honor this offer 6 months from now. However, I don't expect it to be in the actual contract. I expect the contract price to be firm and not subject to change or further negotiation. Otherwise,the package looks very nice and affordable.

I second what Saeed said, I hunted with Ntshonalanga Safari's and they were a first class outfit!!! if you weren't happy with anything, they would go out of their way to take care of situations, they are all about customer satisfaction and want people to come back, You can't beat their deals for S. Africa!!!... And I will hunt with them again!!!

I agree with the comments on the contractual language. However, those are good prices, especially when you take the edited video into consideration. That's a value of at least $150 daily.

quote:

Originally posted by infinito:
Saeed and dddunn,

Thank you for your replies.

Although this condition can be found in many Outfitters contracts in south Africa, the concerns is of course understandable.

Our side of the coin is this. If a client books a Safaris now, for 1 year from now, and our total economy collapes, we must be able to change our arrangement with the client, for better or worse for him or us. This was advised to us by a seniour member of PHASA's exco, when we drafted these T&C's. It stays dark Africa after all.

I am more than happy to remove this condition from our contract, as it is not a big deal for us. I copied and pasted it from our contract into the advertsiment.

As far as observer rates goes. I know that a lot of people have different opinions on this, and I respect that.

I change my mind a lot about prices when people engage in correpsondence and we look at the bigger picture of the booking (read I'm open for negotiating). This particular hunt we realy want 2 Hunters to share the package.

Saeed, there are an AR member that can testify to this, as we have not asked his "observer" a cent extra, but he shot a lot of animals, and she a one Impala....

Observers eat the same food, get the same service, they also go on the truck, they just do not need a guide in the bush (read extra PH) and that is why we charge less for them than hunters. Some people change their mind, and then they become full fledged hunters when they get here. That is why the condition is there, and why I will never change it.

In practise though, I can give ref. of a lot of hunters that paid observer rates, and the observer then shot an animal or two without me charging a cent extra for (ussualy) her.

I will make a concession on the request posted here.

If this hunt is booked 2x2 as we would like to sell it, any observers are welcome to join us for $100.00's per day each. And the observers are welcome to shoot an animal or two....without being charged extra, save the trophy fee of the animal.

I hope this looks better, and I have now ammended the original post.

This should now be more attractive, and we hope that these changes would put your minds at rest.

Like you Saeed, I hate these written contracts, terms and conditions, and other nonsense. I still like to do business the good old way with a handshake. Sad thing is that the world had moved on.... and some of the recent posts here is living proof of that.

To this day I have not had ONE BAD experience with a client, simply because I am always prepared to be be the lesser man, and give the client the benefit of the doubt, as I believe FIRMLY in a African hunting experience must be the best one he will ever get, and that money issues MUST not ruin it for him/her........

I look forward to your replies.

Sounds fair dinkum to me Charl

Good luck with it mate.