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On another site, I read that Barnes was stopping the manufacture of monolithic solids. The reason, it was said, is that the Obamunists have changed the rules and consider such bullets to be "cop killer bullets" if they are made in calibers that are the same as pistol calibers. Result: They will only make 9.3mm and solids greater than .500 diameter. This seems ridiculous if true. What handgun is going to fire a 500 grain bullet? Besides, .45 caliber handguns are usually .451 caliber, not .458 caliber. And who ever heard of a.375 or .416 caliber pistol? Does anyone know if Barnes has in fact stopped making solids and why? Indy Life is short. Hunt hard. | ||
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Check their website, they have info on it. | |||
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As usual, Congress is too lazy to actually write complete legislation -- they just write the broad outlines and leave it to unelected bureaucrats to interpret and implement it as they see fit -- usually to ensure compliance with whichever leftist wet dream applies to the specific situation. When you get bored with life, start hunting dangerous game with a handgun. | |||
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Here is the link: http://www.barnesbullets.com/w...nded-Solids-2012.pdf I hunt, not to kill, but in order not to have played golf.... DRSS | |||
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The thing is no body armor stops ANY rifle bullets to any certain degree. Romey | |||
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This was discussed by some of us who were aware of the ATF order at DSC. At this point there are more questions than answers and lots of speculation. This bodes ill for all of us who use firearms for whatever purpose. Everyone should be aware of the ATF order to Barnes and promulgate any valid information of what happens next. If successful with banning the Barnes bullets, it is safe to assume that orders to other bullet manufacturers will soon follow. Equally important is for the firearms owning community to determine how this action came about and exactly why. Want to guess where this is leading? Mike ______________ DSC DRSS (again) SCI Life NRA Life Sables Life Mzuri IPHA "To be a Marine is enough." | |||
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No where good...I can guarantee! Read the lines at the bottom of my signature if you want to reverse it! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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When you combine this with the push to ban "leaded" bullets such as in California, you can see exactly where this is leading. | |||
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and Mitt supported gun control in Mass. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Will they look at brass stock that can be turned into bullets as well? | |||
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If this pile of CRAP rule is allowed to stand, it will eliminate hunting as we know it. Any bullet that does what a solid is useful for--brain shots on elephant, Texas heart shots at wounded buffalo, etc., will easily defeat any body armor capable of being worn. In fact, a 30-06 with a 110 grain soft point will penetrate at least 1/4" of mile steel. WHERE has a cop ever been shot with a .458 500 grain solid? Dump Obama in 2012. Indy Life is short. Hunt hard. | |||
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You are trying to use logic in an arena where it's been banned at the gate. It's the incrementalist nature of liberalism/socialism/communism. They are very crafty at thinking of anfractuous ways to attack and defeat their enemies. I think at some level it is in their nature and unfortunately, because most conservatives do not think in such ways, we are often left aghast at the seemingly crazy and ludicrous ways they invent to attack us and our interests. It also defines our politics as well. They will take ANY step in their direction, while we sit back, trying to redefine our party and win an election at the same time, calling a person who is 80% in our favor unfit for the job because of the remaining 20%. We have yet to learn that 80% of something is better than 100% of nothing and until we start playing to win, we will continue in this manner. | |||
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It is sad when a great country like the USA who champions the rights of free speech and stands up around the world for democracy (some methods debatable at times but nevertheless the intention is there), and then cannot get its own house in order allowing idiots to promote legislation such as involved here. Anyway when can I expect to be able to purchase a .423 Super Ruger Blackhawk to match my .404 Jeffery, the ultimate cowbow rig!!!  | |||
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Note that copper solids, such as the solids from GSC, are unaffected by any ATF action. This is also not a 'for the moment' thing, there are no regulations in place that address or affect pure copper mono bullets adversely. There are other differences as well.  | |||
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I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but Barnes is owned by Remington. Isn't Remington owned by the Freedom group which has alot of people nervous about their intentions? I guess I should have loaded up on the 458's. Never follow a bad move with a stupid move. | |||
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Yet!!! Where there is a will and a great deal of money, there will be a way and these people have plenty of will and money. Don't be so sure we won't see copper next on the list - for some "reason" or other ... NRA Lifer; DSC Lifer; SCI member; DRSS; AR member since November 9 2003 Don't Save the best for last, the smile for later or the "Thanks" for tomorow | |||
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The regulations that are causing trouble for brass solids now, have been in place for a very long time. Similarly, the hassles around lead have also been a long time coming. Nothing new had to be done by the ATF with the current stupidness, they just acted on what was already in place. If they want to start on copper, they need to start from scratch, new studies, new legislation and so on. With the current mood that is going, I am confident that they will not go down that road. | |||
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The silly thing (among others) is that the person with the theoretical last word is th Attorney General of the US. i.e. the moron who is likely responsible for the Fast and Furious crud. Whaddya wanna bet they also dropped off some brass bullets with those guns to make their case easier for banning the bullets? The next logical step is to ban brass altogether because of course it can be melted and made into bullet and as we all know these miscreants sit around campfires melting door hinges into bullets...what??? | |||
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Yeal, it's Obama and Holder. Remember how Barry told that ant-gun lady(forgot her name) how they were trying to take our guns away in a backdoor way so to speak. | |||
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Thanks, Gerard, it's a relief to know they're not going after copper---yet. I have hunted with North Fork solids, recovering one .458 fired at 2200 fps and three .375s fired at 2500 fps. The .458 looks new. I believe there may still be a photo of it on North Fork's web site. You could load and fire it again. But the .375s are slightly mushroomed, slightly tipped, or both. I don't know if this is because the .375s are "skinnier" or impacted at higher velocity or both. When I mentioned this to North Fork last June, they said they were going to come out with a brass bullet in the future. Indy Life is short. Hunt hard. | |||
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Sir...you are 100% correct. At least 40+% of our population are idiots anymore. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Lane, I think the percentage is more like 52%. Is that not the number obama received in the last election? I would bet most of those voters are still around. Tom ...I say that hunters go into Paradise when they die, and live in this world more joyfully than any other men. -Edward, duke of York ". . . when a man has shot an elephant his life is full." ~John Alfred Jordan "The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance." Cicero - 55 BC "The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." - Ayn Rand Cogito ergo venor- KPete “It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own self-interest. We address ourselves, not to their humanity but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own necessities but of their advantages.” ― Adam Smith - “Wealth of Nations” | |||
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Many of those voters were the independent sway vote. The hard-core liberals are closer to 30%, the rest got caught up in the feel-goodness of the campaign and I actually believe many of the votes were simply because he was black and it was 'time' to have this happen in America. As a matter of fact, I know that based on empirical evidence based on what I heard people say after the election. You hear all kinds of stuff in liberal Seattle when they don't think you are listening...or they make the assumption that you too, are a sycophantic liberal... | |||
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