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This is off topic, but a friend's dad needs help.

My friends dad (a hunter-safety instructor and life-long shooter and hunter) had a stroke about a year ago. He was advised by a non-shooting neurologist not to shoot anymore for risk of triggering another stroke. I can understand heavily recoiling guns, but I would think that a .22 rimfire rifle or a light-loaded .38 Special revolver would pose little risk. I would think that even something like a .270 Winchester with mild loads would be pose a low risk. Any of you Docs out there have any information regarding this subject?


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I have taken several old timers Quail hunting who had previous strokes, heart attacks,bum knees, bad backs etc. They all shot 20Ga to 410Ga without any problems. I say take him till he is dead , at least he won't be in a hospital. Just joking. I do believe the hunt makes them live longer, Talk with a different doc. Best of Luck
 
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I'm a family doctor by training, a researcher by choice (over 50 articles in refereed journals on nutritition and human biochemistry) and a cripple as a result of a bad judgement by a 19yo driver. I see about 15 different doctors and get a lot of "advice".

All advice isn't the same - some is backed by clinical trials involving ten thousand or more patients, some is based on small but scientifically plausible studies, some is based on commonsense and some is based on the premise "If I say yes and shit happens I might get sued, so I'll say no."

I suspect that your friends advice is given on the basis that the doctor wants to avoid being sued, possibly he/she is antigun etc.

I just did a quick search of the standard and very inclusive medical research database "Medline" searching for the terms "stroke" AND "rifle" and "stroke" and "shotgun" and got no hits which suggested a causal relationship (but there are a few articles which show that shotgun pellets can get into the blood stream and go to the brain causing a stroke).

I suspect that your friend is, one day, going to die. Having had a stroke, it is more likely that he will die of a stroke than it would have been if he hadn't already had one. He may have a stroke while shooting or while having sex or eating at McDonald's - life's like that.

If it was me, I'd keep shooting - I had a disk in my cervical spine collapse when my WR 470 doubled when I was finishing off a cape buffalo. I've shot around 1,000 rounds out of my 470 since it was "fixed" (I had a spinal fusion) including three doubles. I've also shot 150 rounds out of my 458 Win Mag which weighs 8lbs scoped. No problems.

If a doctor gives you advice that in any way makes your life less pleasant challenge him or her - ask "What is the evidence?", "What are the chances I'll come to harm?", insist on a numeric answer eg "There is a 1/300 chance X will happen in the next 5 years."

Don't let doctors stuff up your life through an off hand comment. Remember Warren Zevon's song "Life'll Kill Ya".

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I have at least 3 friends who have had strokes, and continue to hunt.

They shoot rifles in the 30-06 class, and one shoots my 375/404 on our hunts and has never complained about anything - except blaming the rifle or ammo each time he misses rotflmo


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I concur with AussieMike -one can´t avoid death. As long as the patient knows the risks it´s always his/her choice how to continue living.

If the goal is to live as long as possible then one should avoid most everything.

But does quantity win over quality?


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Originally posted by AussieMike:
I'm a family doctor by training, a researcher by choice (over 50 articles in refereed journals on nutritition and human biochemistry) and a cripple as a result of a bad judgement by a 19yo driver. I see about 15 different doctors and get a lot of "advice".

All advice isn't the same - some is backed by clinical trials involving ten thousand or more patients, some is based on small but scientifically plausible studies, some is based on commonsense and some is based on the premise "If I say yes and shit happens I might get sued, so I'll say no."

I suspect that your friends advice is given on the basis that the doctor wants to avoid being sued, possibly he/she is antigun etc.

I just did a quick search of the standard and very inclusive medical research database "Medline" searching for the terms "stroke" AND "rifle" and "stroke" and "shotgun" and got no hits which suggested a causal relationship (but there are a few articles which show that shotgun pellets can get into the blood stream and go to the brain causing a stroke).

I suspect that your friend is, one day, going to die. Having had a stroke, it is more likely that he will die of a stroke than it would have been if he hadn't already had one. He may have a stroke while shooting or while having sex or eating at McDonald's - life's like that.

If it was me, I'd keep shooting - I had a disk in my cervical spine collapse when my WR 470 doubled when I was finishing off a cape buffalo. I've shot around 1,000 rounds out of my 470 since it was "fixed" (I had a spinal fusion) including three doubles. I've also shot 150 rounds out of my 458 Win Mag which weighs 8lbs scoped. No problems.

If a doctor gives you advice that in any way makes your life less pleasant challenge him or her - ask "What is the evidence?", "What are the chances I'll come to harm?", insist on a numeric answer eg "There is a 1/300 chance X will happen in the next 5 years."

Don't let doctors stuff up your life through an off hand comment. Remember Warren Zevon's song "Life'll Kill Ya".

regards

Mike



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Can only give my experience. March 03 I had a stroke while getting a physical exam for my Africa 04 trip. Short story is I had major bypass surgery, artifical heart valve. During all of this my 1st thought and prayer(except concern for my wife), that was to get well and go on my 1st safari. After a 6 weeks I was back better than ever. By fall I was shooting again. Early Spring using my 375 and 300 mag for practice. Honestly fired over 200 rounds in each, never had a problem. Safari completed with no health problems at all.(DID buy Med Jet insurance just in case)
 
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One other question to ask, was it an embolic stroke or a hemorrhagic stroke? Assuming it was embolic (because of the recommendation to avoid firearms) I would think the risk is more theorectical than anything else. If he's got plaque in the carotids that could possibly come loose, he may also be a candidate for an endarterectomy.

I also have a hard time coming up with a reason a hemorrhagic stroke could be aggrivated by shooting. Actually it all sounds kind of fishy to me, like the neurologist is trying to keep his but covered against malpractice suits.


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