Is it a single species or multiple? Which species? I chose a DR... I mean, who in their right mind would really choose anything else?

Owning a searcy double and going to Africa is something I would like to acheive so I voted double

Shouldn't Ruger and remington be in two differant lines. Or ruger in with Win and mauser

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Originally posted by p dog shooter:
Shouldn't Ruger and remington be in two differant lines. Or ruger in with Win and mauser

well....not exactly....my real focus here is totally different than that.....I'll tell more when the vote gets higher

Now I love my bolt guns, but sheesh, given the option of a DR for DG, it's a no brainer......make mine a double!

If the game is elephant, rhino and buffalo, I want my double. Just buffalo, I am happy with my bolt.

How 'bout a Krieghoff Classic Big 5 in .500/.416 or .470 NE? I'll go with a DR.

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Originally posted by vapodog:

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Originally posted by p dog shooter:
Shouldn't Ruger and remington be in two differant lines. Or ruger in with Win and mauser

well....not exactly....my real focus here is totally different than that.....I'll tell more when the vote gets higher

Well, I don't have a clue where you are going with this...the only thing I can see in common (that is also different than Winchester and Mauser) is they both start with "R". Don't make us wait too long, eh. We are an impatient lot and lose interest quickly...hence the attraction to the instant gratification of the internet.

Cheers,
Canuck

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Well, I don't have a clue where you are going with this...the only thing I can see in common (that is also different than Winchester and Mauser) is they both start with "R". Don't make us wait too long, eh. We are an impatient lot and lose interest quickly...hence the attraction to the instant gratification of the internet. Wink

There is a thread on another forum where someone touts the new Savage .375 as a fine and worthy big game rifle...even a DG rifle.....

This is all about the current score of 48-0 in favor of anything other than Savage.

here's the thread

So it was just a ruse. Nicely done.

Cheers,
Canuck

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Originally posted by Canuck:
So it was just a ruse. Nicely done.

Cheers,
Canuck

We have folks that seem to think accuracy is all that counts.....that there is nothing else in a rifle.....and, of course, Savage by that definition is a very worthy rifle.....even this one...a guide's gun in 375 H&H designed to protect from the big bears.

I think it's so interesting that the score so far is 54-0.....not a single big game or dangerous game hunter chose the Savage on this forum.....even though it was said to be available in any caliber they wanted.....

Obviously there's a bit more to a rifle than accuracy.....something like reliability maybe.....

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Originally posted by vapodog:

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Originally posted by Canuck:
So it was just a ruse. Nicely done.

Cheers,
Canuck

We have folks that seem to think accuracy is all that counts.....that there is nothing else in a rifle.....and, of course, Savage by that definition is a very worthy rifle.....even this one...a guide's gun in 375 H&H designed to protect from the big bears.

I think it's so interesting that the score so far is 54-0.....not a single big game or dangerous game hunter chose the Savage on this forum.....even though it was said to be available in any caliber they wanted.....

Obviously there's a bit more to a rifle than accuracy.....something like reliability maybe.....

Vapodog,you know I voted for the double, and I agree with you, as anyone who has any real experience with real rifles designed for dangerous game, would. There is far more to a DGR than target accuracy. Far more important is reliability, and handleing, for instinctive shooting! However, haveing said that, there is a reason beyond the ACCURACY ONLY issue as to why the Savage was passed over by DG hunters here. That reason has as much to do with name reccognition, as it does with any shortcomming of the savage rifle in question. If I was limited to a bolt rifle, the savage certainly wouldn't be my first choice to take on a mad lion, when the Mod 70, Ruger, and Mauser rifles are included in the choice. If, however, the choice was only between the Savage, and a Rem 700, I'm afraid the Savage might just get a second look.

Magnum mauser in 416 Rigby or 404 Jeffery built by Hartmann & Weiss, Martini & Hagn or Tomas Burgess

Cheers
/JOHAN

Savage!?!

Do you mean as in "Savagely mauled" when my Savage PF pie metal POS failed at the wrong time?

I have a nice pre 64 M70 in 375 HH and if I went to Africa I would like to carry that gun. From what I know a PH will be around and he will have a rifle too and I will not have control over the PH so that if he wants to shoot at my buff he will.

The 375 will take care of everything else just fine and I like to shoot it.

I could not afford a double and maybe for that reason am not interested in them that much. I can shoot a bolt rifle quite fast however and I can cycle a bolt just about the time that I am recovering from the 375's recoil.

My 375 will hold five shots with one in the chamber. To be quite frank I would rather have five shots than two shots.

Have you ever seen a video of Finn Aagard shooting a big bore bolt rifle?

I voted for my Win M70s. Looks like it's 107 to 0.

Tough crowd over there Vapodog.

Your right vapodog savage rifles are accurate I have 8 or so in the house now. But they are all in varmint cailbers 223s and 22-250.

I would not use a savage as a big game rifle let alone a DG rifle. I have had way to many feeding and extraction troubles with mine.

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Originally posted by Whitworth:
Now I love my bolt guns, but sheesh, given the option of a DR for DG, it's a no brainer......make mine a double!

Well put, I second that! Oh and Happy Father's Day to all the Dads on the forum!!

For me it would be a Blaser S-2 or Kreighoff double rifle with that ingenious decocker.

Not at all a big DG hunter. But my first thought was for fast fire power. I called in two wolves once and hit one with the first shot and then killed the other with the second shot. Had to get back on the first wolf and fling lead at him while he tryed to get away. 6 shots fired in all and that was the mag capacity of my savage 99 in .300 savage.

So I thought if I could get a sav. 99 in .375 or .458 win. (that would stay together in one piece when shot) with a magazine capacity of 3 or 4 that would be good.

Now a double rifle is even faster when it comes to a second shot. And I have seen fellows holding two fresh cartridges in their left hand and loading them in one motion into a double for shots 3 and 4. So a double may be the best. It would be interesting to see a fellow with a double and a fellow with a bolt gun and see who can put most shots into a bucket at 50,40,30,20,10 yards in the shortest time frame.

Would make for a new shooting sport. The winner gets a prize and the looser gets a kick in the azz.

Robin

for the record.....

Not to be misuderstood.....I have posted my personal opinion based on my private experience with Savages I've owned and helped a friend with.

I can assure you that I'm not exaggerating in the least..... and please don't tell me about customer service.....I know all about it.....and when it's needed for the fourth time in a row it's time to call it quits....ah hell...I'll tell the story one more time.....but the last time!!!

A number of years ago I bought a new Fox (Savage) side by side.....a very nice gun I thought...
I took it to a place to shoot it and there was a burr in the right side extractor (it has selective ejectors) that was so heavy that the gun would not eject the spent case.....further I could not remove it so I sent the gun back to Savage.

Yes, they fixed it and several weeks later it was returned to me.

Happily I returned to shooting and before I finished the first box of ammo the trigger failed to fire the second barrel.....it had a single trigger.

Again I sent it to Savage and again it was returned several weeks later.....and yes fixed!!

So back to my favorite shooting place and this time before the day was up the vent rib came off from the first foot of the receiver end of the barrel.

Now I'm pi$$ed and ask Savage to either refund my money or send me a M-99 in 308.....and low and behold here came a M99 featherweight in 308 in even up trade for the side by side.....now that's customer service!!!

Well.....it goes down hill from there.....the 308 froze up and wouldn't open up and I again returned it to Savage (this time with loaded rounds in the magazine) and they fixed it.....

When it was returned the rifle fired on safety...yes...this is all true!!!

I traded it off telling the guy that I traded with that the gun fired on safety............and haven't bought a savage since......but the story don't end there!!!!!

Then a friend wanted to go varmint shooting and since he was left handed and I knew of the immense accuracy of Savage I suggested he get a 223 LH from them...he did and it shot great.....I had to adjust the trigger (prior to accutrigger) but manually bending the wire spring and hand honing the various parts and walla...it wasn't bad.....except that the safety didn't work.....but that was not at all a surprise to me.....this gun was bought as a single shot so we didn't care...my friend had a great varmint rifle and wanted another one in 22-250.....so we did the same thing.

This rifle actually threw rounds out of the magazine to the ground when trying to feed from the magazine.....again it was bought to be a single shot. It wasn't relevant to us.....There was other flaws that we fixed but again our standard was solely accuracy and single shot.....and we got that!!!....one might say,,,wow..that's a terrible story...but it's not done....

During this time my father bought a M-99 presentation grade gun in 308 for deer hunting....he loved it as he traded a m99 303 in for it....the 303 was in need of repairs as it was sloppy.....When he died he left me his guns.....that 308 hasn't fired more than 100 rounds of ammo.....and my father never fired a reloaded shell in his life.....the gun when I got it fails to extract about one in three rounds and has excess headspace.....

Does anyone expect me to say good things about Savage????.....and does anyone expect I'll ever buy another one?????...it'll be a cold day in hell!!!!!

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Originally posted by JOHAN:
Magnum mauser in 416 Rigby or 404 Jeffery built by Hartmann & Weiss, Martini & Hagn or Tomas Burgess
Cheers
/JOHAN

A da boy...

Please... put me in the Mauser line

1917 enfield custom

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Originally posted by duffy4:
Not at all a big DG hunter. But my first thought was for fast fire power. I called in two wolves once and hit one with the first shot and then killed the other with the second shot. Had to get back on the first wolf and fling lead at him while he tryed to get away. 6 shots fired in all and that was the mag capacity of my savage 99 in .300 savage.

So I thought if I could get a sav. 99 in .375 or .458 win. (that would stay together in one piece when shot) with a magazine capacity of 3 or 4 that would be good.

Now a double rifle is even faster when it comes to a second shot. And I have seen fellows holding two fresh cartridges in their left hand and loading them in one motion into a double for shots 3 and 4. So a double may be the best. It would be interesting to see a fellow with a double and a fellow with a bolt gun and see who can put most shots into a bucket at 50,40,30,20,10 yards in the shortest time frame.

Would make for a new shooting sport. The winner gets a prize and the looser gets a kick in the azz.

Robin

Somehow I don't think it would be much of a contest if, say, it was for four shots. The magazine rifle would win easily. There might be some combination, say six shots from a three shot magazine, where the magazine rifle shooter had to reload, in which the really experienced double gun shooter might come close, but it would then boil down to who practices reloads the most.

for allround use, m-70 or Sako or Weatherby but for those critters that are little bit dangerous , there is only one choice , and that is a doublerifle. either a Krieghoff in 500-416 or a 470 nitro Express or a 500 for up and close, but the 450ne is also a very good round that with the bullets today is very good.

1) Did I miss it or did you not have CZs in your poll?

2) I am going to hold my opinions on this savage that may come in 375. Wouldn't it be great if they did it right? CRF & Accutrigger - Smooth action that feeds well. I'm hoping they do it. I have an old Savage 110 in.270 that has served me well for Deer & Antelope.

With Winchester gone they have an opportunity (but just one). Since there is currently a void with the loss of the M-70, If they do it right it could be great for Savage. If they do it wrong - Oh well - nothing new, just another push feed.

Wink
I would like to see a "head to head" contest.

If the fellow with the double could get off two well aimed shots faster than the fellow with the bolt-action, he would have a bit of a head start reloading two more. The bolt fellow mau get off his third shot before the double fellow and then the double fellow may catch up by his fourth shot.

Then in reality, a charging animal may be put down by one shot, two or three. The fellow fastest to three shots may have the advantage.

In the above poll I think most fellows think of a double when they think of the BIG stopping rounds. However the poll says you can get what ever cartridge you want in the rifle you choose.

Robin down under

My vote would go for a Butch Searcy in 500 NE

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Originally posted by vapodog:
for the record.....

Not to be misuderstood.....I have posted my personal opinion based on my private experience with Savages I've owned and helped a friend with.........

I hear you. I have never seen a Savage bolt gun that fed correctly from the magazine. I have one of their "Police Tacticals" here at the house. It doesn't either.

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Originally posted by vapodog:
You're going dangerous game hunting (ele, rhino and cape buff) ...

Classic big bore double rifle game.

However I am disappointed that a Marlin in .45/70 was not an option.

NitroX-
That 45/70 comes in a double rifle doesn't it? Should be a dandy if it does.

I'll never shoot an elephant or a rhino so we might as well dream a bit. How about a a pair of Pacific Rifle Company "African Zephyr" 8 bore underhammer percussion rifles, and a rock steady gunbearer to hand me the second...