Here's the deal. You have just been given a free two week safari to hunt Cape Buffalo.Which of the two rifle packages do you want?<BR>Defend your choice.<BR><BR>RichA. you and your PH are packing 9,3x62'sB. you are packing a 416 Rigby and the PH has a 500 3"NE double

Just ain't gonna let this die, are you?

How many times can I vote?

Can I call up my ACORN buddies and get them to vote?

None of the above. I prefer my .45/70.

it is not fair
the third option should be added.
me with my 6,5x55 and my PH with 9,3x 62

No shit...

Another none of the above.

I don't own nor do I have any experience shooting anything with a 9.3x62, a 416 (of any breed) or a 500 double.

I would either have my Remm 700 in 458 win mag loaded with 500 grain Barnes X bullets, or my Remm 700 loaded with 300 grain Barnes X bullets,or my Chapuis loaded with 286 Grain Nosler Partitions.

If this hunt occurs after April I would take my Searcy 470NE that I will hopefully be getting by then.

ONE WORD....

WHY...

this forum is getting boring. Look how much participation the thread are generating.

Rich

Definitely either a push feed in a short mag or a lever gun.

Get over yourself. You are not in Ganyana's class and never will be.

Yes, you have every right to disagree with him or any other writer, but this is less about the disagreement and more about you being a one trip wonder internet expert who is trying to elevate his status by trashing someone with actual experience.

quote:

Originally posted by Lhook7:
Get over yourself. You are not in Ganyana's class and never will be.

Yes, you have every right to disagree with him or any other writer, but this is less about the disagreement and more about you being a one trip wonder internet expert who is trying to elevate his status by trashing someone with actual experience.

What all are thinking, and what one found bliss in saying..

Hook, well said...

Rich,

I wouldn't hunt with a 9.3 because I have other rifles I'm more familiar with. I personally do not like the 416 Rigby for various reasons and I don't know any PH's well heeled enough to own let alone shoot a 500.

Something to consider. The guy with the 9.3 is far more likely to shoot it quite a bit than the guy with the 500. Proficiency before horse power. Correct?

Mark

And the guy with a 22 LR is much more likely to be a better shot than the guy using a 9.3x62.

Is this forum the twilight zone or what?

"Get over yourself. You are not in Ganyana's class and never will be.

Yes, you have every right to disagree with him or any other writer, but this is less about the disagreement and more about you being a one trip wonder internet expert who is trying to elevate his status by trashing someone with actual experience."

Direct hit.

Lhook and McCray,

that would give me how many more trips to Africa and Cape Buffalo killed than the two of you combined?

Ganyana isn't cross with me over this, so you two pissants shouldn't get your panties into two big a bunch. Which side did you take on the poll.

Mark,

that is a fallacy perpetuated by guys who are recoil shy. Guys with big bore rifles tend to be more involved in the shooting/hunting business and shoot more. I have over 400 rounds thru my 550 Gibbs this year, about the same in my 505 Gibbs, and at least 500 rounds thru my 450 Dakota, 404 Jeffery, and the 416 Rigby.

Buzz Charlton shoots a big double, seen his videos? So do most other experienced PH's, those who have not been converted to the atom smashing power of the 9,3x62.

Rich

Before I vote I need to know how much the 9.3 and 416 weigh

I voted 416r but only because the 470 capstick and 458lott were not offered. By the way--- are we 'assuming' that the 9.3x 62 is a LEGAL round in the area we are hunting?

HOLY SHIT!!!!


You got to love the keyboard commandos!!

Rich,

"Buzz shoots a big double?" Really? I'm not a collector of hunting videos but in the two videos I have of Buzz doing his thing he is shooting I believe a Ruger in 416 Rigby. Perhaps he has purchased a double recently? I beg to differ about how many expereinced PH's shoot doubles. I've hunted with three PH's so far that used them. In two of the three cases the rifles were gifts. PH's as a rule cannot afford to buy or shoot a big double. What you like to shoot and how much you shoot it has no bearing on what is reality for a PH who has to buy his ammo OTC. It's like comparing apples to oranges. Priced a box of 500's lately? A guy making $100-$200 a day cannot afford such an inpractical luxury.

I'm not one of the 9.3 wonder caliber club but I am completely convinced that as a client you do not NEED a genuine big bore to kill buffalo with. If a big boomer floats your boat that's fine but trying to say or at least imply that anything other than a big bore is inadequate is pure bunk.

Mark

If the PH was Ganyana I would be glad to carry my 9.3x62 as I know I would be walking a lot more than I would be shooting and when it came time to shoot we all know that bullet placement and construction count far more than bore size. Plus the quickest way to make dangerous game non-dangerous is to hit them right the first time and to keep shooting till they are down.

Now if I screwed that up and we had to wrinkle some poorly hit, thoroughly pissed off buff, hiding in the Jess along the lower Zambesia, out of his cover I would prefer my 458 and am sure Ganyana would prefer his double.

My guide and I would both be using 45/70 revolvers.

http://www.magnumresearch.com/bfr_fact.asp


Since the only thing that penetrates better than a 45/70 is the same bullet going slower ...



Chuck

quote:

and am sure Ganyana would prefer his double.

Yeah, what happened to all the hype about the 500/416? Maybe for the really big buff?

(Ganyana ... you surely must hate me, but this just too much fun)

Do we get to keep the rifles? In either case, I would prefer the .500 and my PH can chose between the two others.

Buzz shoots a .416 Rigby but he is so quick with the bolt that it's like having a double, only better, more like a quad.

quote:

PH's as a rule cannot afford to buy or shoot a big double.

Some do, take Ivan for example, it seems as though he gets to shoot his quite a bit.

I hope this helps!

quote:

Originally posted by chuck375:
My guide and I would both be using 45/70 revolvers.

http://www.magnumresearch.com/bfr_fact.asp


Since the only thing that penetrates better than a 45/70 is the same bullet going slower ...



Chuck

The slower the better and actually it would be best if you just threw the revolver at them.

BTW....

I thought Gayana's article was interesting.
I don't think he wants anyone to rush out and buy a 9.3x62 strictly for buff hunting. However if you have one that you have shot thousands of times and killed hundreds of animals with and you have good bullets I think it is up for the job.

Just like a 30-06 in Alaska. It may not be the best for big moose, and it is marginal for the big bears. BUT if it is what you have and you have the experience to seal the deal then you can probably get away with a little more than someone with a cannon who can't shoot and who has little to no experience.

I'll take a marginal caliber with premium bullets in the vitals over a gut shot with a cannon any day!!

JMHO

Me with my Winchester 30-30 and the PH backing me up with the Marlin 45-70.

Idaho SS,

I did not bother to read your PM as anything you have to say to me can be said in public. I have exactly 2 hunting trips to Africa and I am neither disputing nor acknowledging the basis of your argument. I am condemning the self agrandizing methods which you use to make your argument. In other words: It's not so much the message as it is the person delivering it.

lhook7,

that is the problem with your post, oh dense One. The message is the reason for the post. Self-aggrandizing, I didn't think you could spell words with that many letters.

And, you are a liar as well. If you hadn't read the PM you wouldn't have answered it here. Life is hard, it is twice as hard if you are fallacious and stupid. I don't think you can fully comprehend the discussion. No argument here, just a difference of opinion.

Everyone else here seems to have gotten the point, the efficacy of the caliber as a DG "Stopping cartridge" VS something like the 450 Dakota I used, except you. THAT was the point.

regards,

Rich

quote:

Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
lhook7,

that is the problem with your post, oh dense One. The message is the reason for the post. Self-aggrandizing, I didn't think you could spell words with that man letters.

And, you are a liar as well. If you hadn't read the PM you wouldn't have answered it here. Life is hard, it is twice as hard if you are fallacious and stupid. I don't think you can fully comprehend the discussion. No argument here, just a difference of opinion.

Everyone else here seems to have gotten the point, the efficacy of the caliber as a DG "Stopping cartridge" VS something like the 450 Dakota I used, except you. THAT was the point.

regards,

Rich

Pure class!

And here is what I was responding to:

"Lhook and McCray,

that would give me how many more trips to Africa and Cape Buffalo killed than the two of you combined?"

This is from your earlier post. I imagine you are too drunk to remember making it. That is the only reason I can think of for some of your posts.

Don't postulate your own shortcomings onto others. If you are a problem drinker, deal with that first. Then come here and try to add to the discussion.

Since your attention span is about as long as your _ _ _ _ _ I'll redirect you again. Follow closely, this gets complicated for a mouth breather like you.

We are discussing the efficacy of the 9,3x62 as a DG Stopper. Not a shooter, a close-in encounter stopper. Try to stay on task, okay?

You can kill Buffalo, undisturbed and unaware of your presence, in open country with an FN-FAL or a fricking AK-47.

regards,

Rich

quote:

Originally posted by Bill C:
Do we get to keep the rifles? In either case, I would prefer the .500 and my PH can chose between the two others.

Buzz shoots a .416 Rigby but he is so quick with the bolt that it's like having a double, only better, more like a quad.

quote:

PH's as a rule cannot afford to buy or shoot a big double.

Some do, take Ivan for example, it seems as though he gets to shoot his quite a bit.

I hope this helps!

May be Ivan hunts wit the wrong clients

Sorry, I could not help pointing that out.

A PH once told me he judges how successful his season was by the number of shots he had to take.

The less the better.

Could we move this thread to the Political Forum?

NEF Handi Rifles in .500S&W - now thats buffalo medicine boys!!
I'll tote one of the those and the PH should be armed with a Lee Enfield re-barreled to .45-70...none of that lever-trash in Africa!

JudgeG,

freedom of choice and the right to voice our opinion; it's what made America great!

Rich

"Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."

You win! I should not have added any credence to your drunken ramblings by even posting on this thread. I will not do so again.