https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/...ntines-gift-23536043


Link to article with photos.

Another example of bad judgement.

Yes, I have to agree. Bad judgment.

Everything she said is true and correct. But just damn......the emotional lefties that don't use their brains......A feeding frenzy!


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They seem to come after women the hardest. I see nothing objectionable in the photos. If I did I would say so.

Female hunters really get a lot of shit from the antis. Sad world.

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Originally posted by Big Wonderful Wyoming:
Female hunters really get a lot of shit from the antis. Sad world.

Hunters are easy targets for the stupid idiots masquerading as reporters.

About time we told them to piss up a tree.

A dumb blond

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Originally posted by fulvio:
A dumb blond

Still a million times more intelligent than her distractors!

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by fulvio:
A dumb blond

Still a million times more intelligent than her distractors!

To pose with the dead animal is one thing; to pose with its heart carved out of the carcass is another, nor was she displaying it to show a bullet-hole as there wasn't one.

Sometimes one has to adopt some common sense when going public with photos that have become unacceptable to an ever-growing group of wackos
and this argument has been thrashed out for too long and the results so far have not been in our favour.

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by fulvio:
A dumb blond

Still a million times more intelligent than her distractors!

To pose with the dead animal is one thing; to pose with its heart carved out of the carcass is another, nor was she displaying it to show a bullet-hole as there wasn't one.

Sometimes one has to adopt some common sense when going public with photos that have become unacceptable to an ever-growing group of wackos
and this argument has been thrashed out for too long and the results so far have not been in our favour.

I bet most of what any of us do is unacceptable to a lot of stupid idiots.

Just as I find so much being done today totally beyond comprehension.

But, I don't waste my time complaining about it.

I live my life as I wish to.

Those who have absolutely no life of their own, and want to stop others enjoying theirs, are just plain SICK!

I don't think she did anything wrong.I am sure she regrets having her picture taken however.Those who attack this woman hate their own lives.

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Those who have absolutely no life of their own, and want to stop others enjoying theirs, are just plain SICK!

What you say is very true.

The worrying part though is that these people have a knack of getting their message through to politicians who, for agendas of their own, will often take sides with them and the repercussions are already being felt.

Now that the Democrats are fully in charge and combine that with the Biden/Harris/Pelosi trio, American hunters are currently in fidget mode as sooner or later there are going to be some very disconcerting "executive orders" being penned and Biden seems to be pretty deft with his pen.

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Those who have absolutely no life of their own, and want to stop others enjoying theirs, are just plain SICK!

What you say is very true.

The worrying part though is that these people have a knack of getting their message through to politicians who, for agendas of their own, will often take sides with them and the repercussions are already being felt.

Now that the Democrats are fully in charge and combine that with the Biden/Harris/Pelosi trio, American hunters are currently in fidget mode as sooner or later there are going to be some very disconcerting "executive orders" being penned and Biden seems to be pretty deft with his pen.

The unfortunate reality is, a politician only worries or thinks about on single thing; re-election.

Our entire demographic of international sportsman is ~10-15K. That as a constituency, wouldn't re-elect a dog catcher in a small mid-western town.

For any politician to advocate for the killing of iconic African species would be committing political suicide. Regardless of any science.

Our only hope for long term viability would have been a very low profile. Unfortunately, that ship has sailed.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Those who have absolutely no life of their own, and want to stop others enjoying theirs, are just plain SICK!

What you say is very true.

The worrying part though is that these people have a knack of getting their message through to politicians who, for agendas of their own, will often take sides with them and the repercussions are already being felt.

Now that the Democrats are fully in charge and combine that with the Biden/Harris/Pelosi trio, American hunters are currently in fidget mode as sooner or later there are going to be some very disconcerting "executive orders" being penned and Biden seems to be pretty deft with his pen.

The unfortunate reality is, a politician only worries or thinks about on single thing; re-election.

Our entire demographic of international sportsman is ~10-15K. That as a constituency, wouldn't re-elect a dog catcher in a small mid-western town.

For any politician to advocate for the killing of iconic African species would be committing political suicide. Regardless of any science.

Our only hope for long term viability would have been a very low profile. Unfortunately, that ship has sailed.

Hi Steve,

Africans have yet to have their say. I thought Black Lives Matter?

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Those who have absolutely no life of their own, and want to stop others enjoying theirs, are just plain SICK!

What you say is very true.

The worrying part though is that these people have a knack of getting their message through to politicians who, for agendas of their own, will often take sides with them and the repercussions are already being felt.

Now that the Democrats are fully in charge and combine that with the Biden/Harris/Pelosi trio, American hunters are currently in fidget mode as sooner or later there are going to be some very disconcerting "executive orders" being penned and Biden seems to be pretty deft with his pen.

The unfortunate reality is, a politician only worries or thinks about on single thing; re-election.

Our entire demographic of international sportsman is ~10-15K. That as a constituency, wouldn't re-elect a dog catcher in a small mid-western town.

For any politician to advocate for the killing of iconic African species would be committing political suicide. Regardless of any science.

Our only hope for long term viability would have been a very low profile. Unfortunately, that ship has sailed.

Hi Steve,

Africans have yet to have their say. I thought Black Lives Matter?

Andrew, You're right. There will always be a place in Africa to hunt. (I think) Problem is, getting the stuff home. I know that's not as important to some as it is others.

For me, If I can't get it back, I have no little to no interest in shooting it.

Her reasoning is correct. The mistake made was connecting it to valentines day. That was a small matter of not thinking that has been inflated out of proportion by these who wish to see hunting banned.
Personnaly I think the hunting guides are going to have to start dictating what photos are taken. I think we all should be moving towards a more european style of photo where there is an effort taken to emphasise the respect we have in a way most can understand.
Even little things. I had clients yesterday on a meat hunt, and I wouldn't let the photos be taken until Id poked the tongues back in and covered the obvious bullet exit wound.
Photos holding up the heart- people will understand if its captioned with a comment on its size and something along the lines of and underrated food, will feed 5 people and delicious! for example. But holing up a heart and linking it to valentines day, to the average person its ghoulish.

Syd Downey always took classy pics. But then again it was Syd Downey, would expect nothing less..

Melissa Bachman and Kendell Jones who both posed with canned Lions have some celebrity status nowadays.

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Originally posted by BaxterB:
Syd Downey always took classy pics. But then again it was Syd Downey, would expect nothing less..

I like that photo, but it illustrates a problem: A picture that some might find classy, others will find offensive.

Many times I have heard hunters say that rifle should never lay against the animal in the photo. And it is becoming common to hear that the rifle should be left out altogether.

Others say that the hunter should not hold the horns, etc.

No visible blood, no bullet holes, mouth closed and tongue hidden, the list is endless.

Seeing that we as hunters can't agree on what is offensive and what is not, it seems to me that there is no way we will ever be able to please the nonhunters, much less the antis.

Regardless we should do our best to keep it classy.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:

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Originally posted by fulvio:

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Those who have absolutely no life of their own, and want to stop others enjoying theirs, are just plain SICK!

What you say is very true.

The worrying part though is that these people have a knack of getting their message through to politicians who, for agendas of their own, will often take sides with them and the repercussions are already being felt.

Now that the Democrats are fully in charge and combine that with the Biden/Harris/Pelosi trio, American hunters are currently in fidget mode as sooner or later there are going to be some very disconcerting "executive orders" being penned and Biden seems to be pretty deft with his pen.

The unfortunate reality is, a politician only worries or thinks about on single thing; re-election.

Our entire demographic of international sportsman is ~10-15K. That as a constituency, wouldn't re-elect a dog catcher in a small mid-western town.

For any politician to advocate for the killing of iconic African species would be committing political suicide. Regardless of any science.

Our only hope for long term viability would have been a very low profile. Unfortunately, that ship has sailed.

"Our only hope for long term viability would have been a very low profile. Unfortunately, that ship has sailed."

I really doubt keeping a low profile would have changed anything.The only chance we have IMO, is if people stand up to liberalism.

At our hunting camp we process every deer we take as soon as it is possible to do so because we eat what we kill. Within an hour of a kill we usually have the animal skinned, and if weather is cold enough, we hang the two sides in a shed for a day or two. We then do our own butchering.
One of the guys likes to do deer hearts in a crock pot, so he insists upon care when we process that organ. My wife likes deer liver, so we are careful when we process that. Next we cut off steaks and roasts. When that has been completed, all other usable meat is put into the grinder to make hamburger. Some of that becomes sausage and some may go into bologna. The hides go to a local dealer who sends them off for tanning. About the only thing that gets wasted might be bones, and some of them go into soup.
In Africa I watched what happens when an animal is killed. On one occasion we saw one of the natives walking down to a stream with a stomach and some intestine. People showed up within an hour of a kill to get their share of the edible meat and other things.
Of course that matters not a whit to those who hate us hunters. They would rather those of us who eat meat get it from a supermarket where no animal has to die for us to eat it. Their lack of knowledge of our natural world is simply amazing. It is proof that one can be "book smart," but common sense stupid.

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Originally posted by Steve Ahrenberg:
Our only hope for long term viability would have been a very low profile. Unfortunately, that ship has sailed.

Very true and very true.

At this stage the only hope is to fight like hell...but in the end...unless something hugely upsets and reorganizes the world order...we will be put to the sword. Thus I say we go down like the Alamo...maybe someone will remember.

After African hunting was put under scrutiny by the world through mainstream media, I am sure that many anti hunters and people in general gained some knowledge in wildlife conservation.Perhaps people are starting to see beyond a trophy hunting picture and are now understanding.

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Originally posted by JBrown:

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Originally posted by BaxterB:
Syd Downey always took classy pics. But then again it was Syd Downey, would expect nothing less..

I like that photo, but it illustrates a problem: A picture that some might find classy, others will find offensive.

Many times I have heard hunters say that rifle should never lay against the animal in the photo. And it is becoming common to hear that the rifle should be left out altogether.

Others say that the hunter should not hold the horns, etc.

No visible blood, no bullet holes, mouth closed and tongue hidden, the list is endless.

Seeing that we as hunters can't agree on what is offensive and what is not, it seems to me that there is no way we will ever be able to please the nonhunters, much less the antis.

Regardless we should do our best to keep it classy.

Like it or not, hunting exists at the pleasure of the non-hunting public. I can defend that pic of Syd against a non-hunter all day long, not so much an out-of-context pic (and horrible story) of a chick and a heart. Such a hard hunt she didn’t even have to take her mall shoes off... and yes, I’m critical of all the meateater wannabes doing the same damn thing. All that bullshit isn’t helping a thing.

In any case, we are talking about the passing of an age. And we are losing the ability to even tell our stories well. Therefore, our enemies tell our stories for us.

I know your are a Ruark/Selby fan. I’ve had the pleasure of looking at hundreds if not thousands of Ruark’s pics that have never been published. You won’t see anything approaching the silliness we see here. The times have changed, people have changed, and we will pay for those changes.

Hopefully she doesnt go on TV like the last one! Did any here see that wreck?

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Originally posted by eny:
Hopefully she doesnt go on TV like the last one! Did any here see that wreck?

Yes. It was like watching a car crash in slo-mo

No bad judgement
Fuck antis and Libs
I don’t tell them how to live their lives and as sure as hell won’t let them mess with mine...

https://www.news24.com/news24/...ition-urges-20210225


Article concerning petition to ban her from Facebook.

A very interesting thing that our own AR's Mark Young discovered and called me about. Going further down through the giraffe article is a picture of me with my Cape Grysbok. I then went back down completely through the article, saw the picture, and then discovered another connecting anti-hunting article and clicked on it. It is another full-on anti-hunting expose' dealing with this year's DSC Convention held remotely/digitally or via the Internet or whatever. There I am again, in full view, with the Cape Grysbok. The article also contains an attack, in part, on Infinito Safaris and Charl's offer of a hunt for the Tiny Ten. They must have gotten my picture from Charl's brochure or from other information Charl and Infinito used at the DSC convention this year.

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Originally posted by BaxterB:
and yes, I’m critical of all the meateater wannabes doing the same damn thing. All that bullshit isn’t helping a thing.

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I know your are a Ruark/Selby fan. I’ve had the pleasure of looking at hundreds if not thousands of Ruark’s pics that have never been published. You won’t see anything approaching the silliness we see here. The times have changed, people have changed, and we will pay for those changes.

You make a really good point about the antis telling our stories for us. It is crazy how fast things are changing in the information age. Astounding really.

But I'm interested in your two quotes above. What is the specific problem that you see? I ask because the general public seems more accepting of hunting when it is tied to obtaining food.

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But I'm interested in your two quotes above. What is the specific problem that you see? I ask because the general public seems more accepting of hunting when it is tied to obtaining food.

Whenever I read remarks relating sport hunting to provision of food for the communities just makes me grin and wonder how some people can be both naive and gullible.

More meat is poached for and by the indigenous communities than any amount which is legally shot and provided by sport hunters.

We keep seeing clips of the sporadic elephant carcass being dissected by villagers and yes, fair enough that the elephant just happened to have been shot on communal land within walking distance of a village; the occasional carcass of a buffalo voluntarily transported in the back of a cruiser to a village showing chunks of meat being handed out to willing open hands.

These are all just random cases where the PH decides to demonstrate to the world how meat from sport hunting is being utilized by the industry.

Can the same be said for game farms commonly equipped with sterile abattoirs (skinning sheds) whose animals mainly provide meat for the butcheries at a cost way beyond the financial means of the indigenous community?

To be more realistic, the only communities that really benefit from game meat are those directly affiliated to the hunting camp.

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Originally posted by JBrown:

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Originally posted by BaxterB:
and yes, I’m critical of all the meateater wannabes doing the same damn thing. All that bullshit isn’t helping a thing.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I know your are a Ruark/Selby fan. I’ve had the pleasure of looking at hundreds if not thousands of Ruark’s pics that have never been published. You won’t see anything approaching the silliness we see here. The times have changed, people have changed, and we will pay for those changes.

You make a really good point about the antis telling our stories for us. It is crazy how fast things are changing in the information age. Astounding really.

But I'm interested in your two quotes above. What is the specific problem that you see? I ask because the general public seems more accepting of hunting when it is tied to obtaining food.

There’s no food context in those pics. Then food comment is a throwaway comment she makes to justify her wanting to kill an old, dark giraffe. “And we fed the locals too...”. She made no indication that SHE intended to eat the giraffe, just that it would be utilized. Now, had she shown a well-prepared meal of heart, or a spread of food with happy locals...she could make a food argument. What we see here is a rather rich gal in her “day out” clothes who just happens to be called in for a cull because she always wanted a skin. Now, am I critical of the act itself? Not particularly, but to make such pallid arguments with out-of-context pics in this day and age screams obtuseness. Look, we all love our kids, but how many of us share their birth-moment pics? There is a time and place for these things, and as they say, discretion is the better part of valor.

We aren’t going to make inroads by shoving raw hearts in people’s faces. If I were in her position and wanted to tell a story that would make people think, i’d start with the people she thinks she’s helping first, extend the conversation into animal management in that particular place, and then finally minimize the role of the hunter as viable means to solve some problem, whether food related, animal management/conservation related, or economically related. If you can’t tell a story where hunting is accepted by those who will benefit by it, you have to ask yourself if it in fact does.


I had a crazy idea once that id like to pitch up in Andrew Baldrey’s camp, live there for a year, and document a year in the life of a recovering African ecosystem. That would be a story worth reading. And hunting would not be ignored.

I’ve mentioned it before, but when I was in college at UW (I went as an adult), I made a short NPR style interview on elephant hunting with our friend here Brennan Colyer. I presented it to my class, which was VERY left-leaning liberal. That short, 5 minute interview turned into a 45 minute conversation with the class on elephant conservation and anti-poaching (I relied heavily on Buzz’s DAPU). After 45 minutes, I had people in the class telling me how very little they actually knew about the subject and thanking me for opening their eyes. I don’t think I made any elephant hunters, but, as the saying goes, when the mind is expanded it doesn’t readily contract.

We have to keep expanding peoples minds with this stuff, not falling into the same old habits that we’ve gotten ourselves into. There’s that old saying that you can’t get out of a problem by using the same thinking that got you into it in the first place.

The crazy left hates us no matter what we do.

That said, such pics do turn the apathetic middle against us.