Maybe botox and a bit of plastic surgery?

At least they wouldn't need a toupee or extensions!

Here's another wild MGM one:

Another wild one from Tanzania:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
I think the only country where canned lion hunts have been conducted is South Africa.

Also, my impression is that at least 80% of those who pay to shoot a canned lion know precisely what they are doing. They just pretend they are shooting a wild lion.

The other 20% come specifically to shoot a canned lion, as they really have no wish to go and actually do a lion hunt.

I know that canned hunting in Zim is growing but it is kept well under wraps. I heard that somewhere along the line African Nightmare Safaris had their hand in it too?

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Originally posted by dogcat:
Craig Boddington shot a lion with Dirk De Bod in Namibia near Etosha Park. According to what I saw on "Tracks Across Africa", the lion was a PAC animal and he killed it over bait on a cattle ranch.

Was that not what it appeared? De Bod and Boddington both have solid reputations.

I belive that I was offered that lion if it was june/july 2007. 10000 euros.
Saw a picture of it in some magazine later.

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Originally posted by JBrown:
Sorry Sue, that doesn't wash. The problem is not simply the fences, it is how the game is raised.

If it was pen raised it is not wild.

I guess I’m still trying to figure it all out.

I’ve read of land owners who raise and release (onto their own fenced property to protect the investment) wildebeest, eland, sable, etc.

So that’s considered canned because humans raised the game. Got it. Any species brought back from the brink of extinction due to human efforts is, therefore, off limits.

And if a lion breeder raises them, sells a few (for high paying hunts) to generate revenue and re-invests than money into species preservation and public education, then that’s also wrong. Got it.

So, if I’m understanding this correctly, it’s only ok to hunt when the human factor is purely accidental:
--such as when wild animals such as whitetails graze by the freeway unconcerned by 80 mph 18-wheelers only yards from them, clearly demonstrating no fear (and no, I don’t hunt from the interstate)
--such as when wild animals, like lions in parks, breed all day by the road surrounded by cars and cameras, yet unconcerned (I’ve watched this.)
These animals were born in the wild, but are not terribly concerned with humans, so if they venture into an area approved for hunting, you can whack them. Got it.

I’m thinking there may be only a few places left in the world where the wild is wild, but if hunters go there, then those animals will start to get acclimated to humans. Then again, I guess it would still be ok to hunt them even if they got used to maneuvering around people, as long as they were not originally a product of a breeding program. Right?

It’s all ok as long as no human had a part in the creation of the animal. It makes no difference if the animal has no fear of humans because of environmental proximity, repeated encounters, or whatever, as long as a human didn’t participate in the creation of that animal? Right?

(no time for typo check – late for class)

Sue,

No you haven't got it. The plains game you mention are not pen reared. They're born in large areas either in private reserves or Nat parks etc and then either hunted there or translocated. Virtually no plains game are pen reared in Africa simply because of the costs involved. I guess it occasionally happens, but only very rarely.

The Lions that we're discussing however, are pen reared and released (often drugged) for shooting.

The articles the links take you to explain it all.

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Originally posted by Ahmed Sultan:
Another wild one from Tanzania:

What is the trophy fee for a blue bottle fly and what licence do you need to shoot one

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Originally posted by shakari:
Sue,

No you haven't got it. The plains game you mention are not pen reared. They're born in large areas either in private reserves or Nat parks etc and then either hunted there or translocated. Virtually no plains game are pen reared in Africa simply because of the costs involved. I guess it occasionally happens, but only very rarely.

The Lions that we're discussing however, are pen reared and released (often drugged) for shooting.

The articles the links take you to explain it all.

" . . . large areas . . . "

So is that the crux of this whole thing? The size of the containment? Who makes that call?

By the way, your web site is very nice. Good job by the web master!

Sue,

Not really the crux. These areas are either the ordinary hunting areas in SA and sometimes othe countries, I guess on average something like 20000+ acres each or the national or provincial parks which are generally larger. These animals will be habituated to humans and vehicles to some degree. Usually, when these animals are translocated, they're not drugged and are usually caught using helicopters etc.

The Lions that we're referring to on the other hand are raised in pens of just a few acres and are VERY habituated indeed to humans and when/if translocated are drugged. It's also quite common for them to still be drugged when shot.

In case you didn't find the links, here they are again: http://www.shakariconnection.c...-and-wild-lions.html

http://www.shakariconnection.c...canned-shooting.html

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I’m thinking there may be only a few places left in the world where the wild is wild, but if hunters go there, then those animals will start to get acclimated to humans. Then again, I guess it would still be ok to hunt them even if they got used to maneuvering around people, as long as they were not originally a product of a breeding program. Right?