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Two take-aways from this story:

1. Don't trust the media, anywhere, ever. These people have no integrity and no longer have the moral compass to distinguish right from wrong, truth from lie, fact from fiction, bias from neutrality. The bottom of the barrel of modern humanity is populated by politicians, "journalists", gangs and criminals particularly poachers and drug dealers.

2. Wildlife Research in Africa is largely a boondoggle. Just another group of mostly foreign parasites at the government trough pretending to help the animals. We know what the problems are in Africa, viz. too many people living in poverty on land that was previously set aside for wildlife, or considered marginal for farming and settlement; commercial and subsistence poaching ; inept and incompetent government agencies; and in some areas, wars. Putting collars on wildlife is not going to solve these problems.

If we took all the "research" money and used it to buy up land and set it aside for wildlife, or to establish conservation easements in perpetuity (like the US Nature Conservancy), wildlife would be infinitely better off.

Failing that, trophy/sport hunting is the only hope for wildlife. It's too bad that industry is so fragmented, the participants have little power and influence. SCI and other collaborative organizations seem to have little traction as they are very much on the sidelines.


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Don't trust the media, anywhere, ever.


Very true words!


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How bout stop naming the damn things?
 
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Two take-aways from this story:

1. Don't trust the media, anywhere, ever. These people have no integrity and no longer have the moral compass to distinguish right from wrong, truth from lie, fact from fiction, bias from neutrality. The bottom of the barrel of modern humanity is populated by politicians, "journalists", gangs and criminals particularly poachers and drug dealers.

2. Wildlife Research in Africa is largely a boondoggle. Just another group of mostly foreign parasites at the government trough pretending to help the animals. We know what the problems are in Africa, viz. too many people living in poverty on land that was previously set aside for wildlife, or considered marginal for farming and settlement; commercial and subsistence poaching ; inept and incompetent government agencies; and in some areas, wars. Putting collars on wildlife is not going to solve these problems.

If we took all the "research" money and used it to buy up land and set it aside for wildlife, or to establish conservation easements in perpetuity (like the US Nature Conservancy), wildlife would be infinitely better off.

Failing that, trophy/sport hunting is the only hope for wildlife. It's too bad that industry is so fragmented, the participants have little power and influence. SCI and other collaborative organizations seem to have little traction as they are very much on the sidelines.


My reaction was from the first statement and it seems that much of that was 'false news'. Apologies to the Zim lads and indeed it seems to make their hunting very difficult along this boundary.

Makes you wonder how many of these cats are collared?


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And I presume when Xanda's head or whole body mount finally graces the den of the lucky hunter it will have the collar around the neck, oops I forgot, the nice hunter gave the collar back.

What an absolute crock of shit, what some hunters will do to get something on the wall they can crow about. One day when trophy hunting is banned there will be many heads hanging in shame.
 
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Zim parks authority disputes Xanda the lion's link to Cecil

2017-07-23 13:30

News24 Correspondent


Harare - Zimbabwe’s state parks authority says there’s no DNA evidence to link Xanda the lion to Cecil, after Xanda was killed by a hunter near Hwange National Park.

But a scientist has told News24 there’s another intriguing way of confirming Xanda really is a cub of his famous father.

News of the July 7 killing of Xanda, a six-year old lion with cubs of his own, emerged this week, reigniting outrage over trophy hunting around the borders of Hwange National Park where he lived.

Tinashe Farawo, a spokesperson for the wildlife management authority (Zimparks) told state ZBC radio that although the incident was “unfortunate”, the hunt was legal.

The spokesperson also said there was “no evidence” linking Xanda to Cecil, who died two years ago at the hands of US hunter Walter Palmer.

But a scientist who runs a research project monitoring lions in Hwange told News24 there’s another intriguing way of confirming Xanda’s identity – unique whisker spots on the lion’s muzzle.

“This pattern, like a fingerprint, does not change throughout their lives,” said zoologist Andrew Loveridge, from Oxford University.

“This is how we know Xanda was Cecil’s son as we have ID records from when he was a cub in Cecil’s pride.”

He added: “The research project keeps detailed records of pride structures – and Cecil’s pride was well studied.


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Oxford academics call on tougher hunting ban after lion they were tracking is shot dead


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THE Oxford scientists who were tracking the killed six-year old son of Cecil the lion at a Zimbabwe park, have called for a wider ban on hunting.

Xanda was killed by a trophy hunter on July 7 outside the boundaries of Hwange National Park, the same park his father was killed in 2015 by American dentist Walter Palmer sparking an international outcry.

The lion, who was born in May 2011, was being tracked by a team of Oxford researchers using satellite technology.

Professor David MacDonald and Dr Andrew Loveridge at the university’s wildlife conservation unit is now calling on a 5km no-hunting zone around the park.


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While I used to think Dr. Loverage was a practical thinker...he has turned vastly left in his old age.

First 5, then 10, and then all out ban. It never stops with these guys.

The fact is this lion was known to have been 12 klicks from the park and shot at 2.5 klicks from the boundary. He could have probably easily been shot at 5 klicks.

Thus Dr. Loveridge is just being disingenuous and taking the "chess move" of trying to gain more ground.

The whole plan of lining the parks with hunting blocks was to remove the overpopulation as it leaves the park.

We (hunters) had the opportunity to work with scientists about a decade ago...I fear they have moved so far to the left now...it is hopeless.

Somehow...we must get back to common sense carrying the day.


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Maybe a park boundary 5km ban on research and an annual $50,000 pay out to concession holders.


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The ph from the rebuttal account took all necessary steps to ensure this was a lion disposed of his pride.

The rebuttal is that the male did not hold a pride with cubs. It appears the initial reports that the male had a pride implying he had cubs was either inaccurate trying to get the story out first or intentional misdirection to damage hunting.

Because it has been demonstrated that competent and forward thinking professionals on the ground can ascertain if a targeted male is prideless, let them charge what the market and idiot governments demand. Just make sure a goodly portion of that cost goes to insuring/improvemening habitat, and paying for game rangers (etc).

Mr. Lane being in the room prior to the house being set on fire do you think some of these professional science types have been turned against hunting philosophically bc organized hunting (SCI) refused to adopt or push regulations of only killing old, non breeding lions . I do.
 
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Professor David MacDonald and Dr Andrew Loveridge at the university’s wildlife conservation unit is now calling on a 5km no-hunting zone around the park.


I believe Hwange, like most Zim parks, is unfenced. So what does this really accomplish, in practice, apart from getting your name in the news?

Parasites. Or as some of the inner circle in Zim like to say, "cockroaches".


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One day when trophy hunting is banned there will be many heads hanging in shame.


When trophy hunting is banned, there will be many heads rotting in the field, poached or shot by farmers. And the shame will befall the activists who advocated for the ban, including the author of this inane post.


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XANDA is no more!
So Cecil’s son, Xanda, a six year old male lion, has been legally killed by a hunter outside the boundary of Zimbabwe’s Hwange National Park , and a new campaign is now on, to vilify hunting by the world’s rabid animal rights organisations. THAT is an obvious consequence of their involvement in this episode because THAT is the way they make their money.
Masha Kalinina of the Humane Society International claims that: “The killing of Xanda just goes to show that trophy hunters have learnt nothing from the international outcry that followed Cecil’s death.” It also goes to show that SHE knows nothing about lions, lion ecology, lion behaviour, or the intricacies of modern day wildlife management practices. SHE - and the Humane Society International - should learn to leave the management of Africa’s lions in the hands of the people who know how to manage them.
Xanda and his pride were clearly superfluous to Hwange’s lion population. There are only a limited number of viable lion territories inside a national park and no male lion worth its salt will leave its established and hard-fought-for-territory to wander onto unknown lands outside the park boundary. That can mean only one thing. Xanda was pressurised (by other dominant lions inside Hwange) to seek pastures new.
Xanda’s death - and even the death of his entire pride - will do absolutely nothing to stop lions slipping into extinction if that is to be their fate. Kalinina goes on to say that: “To stop lions slipping into extinction, it is critical that countries like Zimbabwe keep as many lions as possible and shift away from the trophy hunting industry.” THAT statement is absolute balderdash and it demonstrates just how far this woman is away from reality.
I take it that Kalinina professes that she does not eat meat, fish or poultry; and that she does not drink tea with even a little-bit-of-milk in it? If she does any of these things she is a hypocrite. In the case of the management of the dairy farms that produce her milk, she should make herself aware of the fact that dairy calves are separated from their mothers at birth; and shortly thereafter the bull calves are taken away and slaughtered. Does THAT make HER culpable of anything?
It is easy to criticise the principles and practices of any kind of animal management - with people who are detached from the realities of life on this planet - because every facet of responsible and sustainable animal management (wild and domestic) involves killing of one kind or another. Being killed or dying are, in fact, an integral part of life on planet earth. The true animal welfare people accept this reality. Their only plea is that when man kills an animal to obtain benefits for mankind that the killing process is carried out without cruelty.
What the world has to understand about animal rightists - who are a very different kind of people to animal welfarists - is that their stated objective is to ABOLISH all animal uses by man. ALL ANIMAL USES BY MAN!!! Read the TGA’s position paper on the animal rights doctrine on our website (www.mahohboh.org) and discover just WHAT kind of people they really are. And hunting is one of their pet hates. It is no surprise, therefore, that the Humane Society International should come out in defence of Cecil and Xanda. And, believe me, they will make a great of money by ‘racketeering’ his demise.
Both Cecil and Xanda were shot legally within a system that “harvests” excess lions for the benefit of the people who live with these animals. The money the landowners accrue from the hunting process is used by them to keep the habitats on their land healthy so that they can continue to support populations of a large variety of other wild animals. So the death of the odd lion helps to maintain healthy wildlife populations living in healthy habitats in the wild; just as the slaughtering of an ox puts meat of our braaivleis grills on a Saturday afternoon. People who eat meat do not contribute to the extinction of cattle!
We must learn from this lesson - that the emotion-charged appeals put out by animal rightist NGOs in their propaganda machinery should be ignored; because there are just as many people who enjoy hunting - and who understand hunting - as there are people who abhor it. And it is legal!
If lions are to be saved from extinction, they are going to have to pay their way into the future by providing sustainable survival benefits for Africa’s burgeoning human populations. And total protection from individual harm - as the Human Society International demands - is NOT the way that that is going to be achieved.
Ron Thomson 21/07/2017


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One day when trophy hunting is banned there will be many heads hanging in shame.


When trophy hunting is banned, there will be many heads rotting in the field, poached or shot by farmers. And the shame will befall the activists who advocated for the ban, including the author of this inane post.


I don't have to advocate for a ban or otherwise, there are enough so called trophy hunters helping this along themselves. Never underestimate your opposition, activists anywhere only know a cause, they know no shame.
 
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How bout stop naming the damn things?


I agree that stopping the giving of fancy names to individual animals is a good step in the right direction. However, it is the anti-hunters who give these names for their fund collection benefit! It seems easier to get funds from do-gooders because "Brutus" [or any other romantic sounding named lion] was legally hunted and killed, than getting money because a 'legal trophy lion' was hunted.

How about asking us hunters to rather refer to "..a legally hunted trophy lion shot by a dentist from USA..." than fall in the trap set by the antis by referring to that trophy lion as "Cecil". Giving the name is none of our [hunters'] business, but using it, or, as I suggest, not using it sure is our choice!


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We (hunters) had the opportunity to work with scientists about a decade ago...I fear they have moved so far to the left now...it is hopeless.


Their aim was to pick someone's brains for information which would have otherwise been unavailable to them and used that same information to serve their agenda.
 
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ZPHGA Statement

Sounds like there is more to story than being told.

PHGA Statement

On the 30th of June 2017, a lion known by operators in Hwange National Park as “Xanda” was shot during a safari conducted by a licenced professional hunter and member of ZPHGA.
Richard Cooke is an ethical, respected member of our Association. Mr Cooke was contracted by Zimbabwe Forestry Commission as a professional hunter, in their area. The hunt was legal, with all paperwork and regulations being in order and followed in accordance with the Zimbabwe hunting laws.

These are the facts:
On the 29th of June, a Lion track was found, 12km into the Forestry concession.
On the 30th of June, the Lion was shot dead 2,5km from the Park.
Before entertaining the thought of hunting this cat, and knowing the history of this area, both the Senior Ranger for ZNPWMA in the area, and the field representative for Hwange’s lion research project were contacted by the professional hunter. Both confirmed that the lion, previously with a pride in the park, had been ousted by a coalition and had taken up residence in the adjacent forestry concession for the past 6 months. They furthermore confirmed that the lion in question did not have any dependant cubs and was of a legal age for harvesting under new regulations adopted by ZNPWMA to comply with USFW guidelines for sustainable utilization ( Less than 2.5% of the 2 000 lions (2016 survey)resident in Zimbabwe were harvested in 2016 under this new programme).
It is not illegal to hunt a collared animal in Zimbabwe. The collaring of lion, and various other species, in and around Zimbabwe’s national parks and other wildlife refuges, is for research purposes – not for direct protection. The dynamics of big cats is still under research and includes their ranging into hunting areas and further into populated communal areas. The professional hunter was asked to return the lion’s collar to Hwange’s lion researchers in working order, which after harvesting him, he duly did.

Ngamo/Sikumi is 420 000 acres of unfenced wilderness area under the authority of the government parastatal: The Forestry Commission of Zimbabwe. This area is allocated one male lion on quota per year, which is monitored by ZNPWMA.


The motto of our Association is "ethics are everything". Our professional hunters and guides are the most stringently examined in the world. Our members are all ambassadors of wildlife conservation, both consumptive and non-consumptive.

James Rosenfels
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This is exactly the opposite of what the Oxford scientists reported to the media.

If American and European scientist keep stirring up fake drama in order to impose their ideology on Africa, African governments should BAN THEM from practicing in their countries. These "professors" are nothing more than political operatives operating under the cover of science.
 
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If American and European scientist keep stirring up fake drama in order to impose their ideology on Africa, African governments should BAN THEM from practicing in their countries. These "professors" are nothing more than political operatives operating under the cover of science.


Mr Packer was sent packing from TZ if I'm not wrong.
 
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If American and European scientist keep stirring up fake drama in order to impose their ideology on Africa, African governments should BAN THEM from practicing in their countries. These "professors" are nothing more than political operatives operating under the cover of science.


Mr Packer was sent packing from TZ if I'm not wrong.


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Hunters who shot Xanda, the son of Cecil the Lion, ‘LIED’ about his death and knew that he was a father of cubs who will now be killed by another lion without his protection

Although conceding the hunt was legal, Andrew Loverage, one of the university's Wildlife Research Conservation Unit said the Zimbabwe Professional Hunters and Guides Association had misrepresented information.
Xanda was part of a pride with seven cubs and Mr Loverage told The Times: 'These cubs are too young to survive on their own and will certainly be vulnerable to infantcide.'
He also said he warned the man allegedly responsible for the hunt, Richard Cooke, that killing the lion would be 'detrimental to the population'.


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Cecil the Lion's son shot dead: Researchers accuse hunters of lying about killing of Xanda


Ross McGuinness Yahoo News UK25 July 2017


The hunters who shot the son of Cecil the Lion have been accused of lying about the kill by wildlife researchers from Oxford University.



But Oxford University’s Wildlife Research Conservation Unit, which had fitted Xanda with a radio tracking collar, has disputed the hunters’ account of the shooting.

The university said the hunters’ claim that Xanda was a lone male who had left his pride and was therefore less likely to breed was false.

They insisted Xanda had no dependent cubs and had moved from the park – where hunting is banned – into a forest reserve where hunters are permitted to shoot one male lion a year.

But Oxford University has disputed this version of events, and accused the Zimbabwe Professional Hunters and Guides Association of misrepresenting its research team’s information, The Times reported.


One of the university’s researchers, Andrew Loveridge, said that Xanda was part of a pride with seven cubs.

In a letter to the hunting association’s chairman, James Rosenfels, Mr Loveridge wrote: ‘These cubs are too young to survive on their own and will certainly be vulnerable to infanticide.’

When a male lion takes over a pride of females, they often kill their rival’s cubs.


Although acknowledging that the hunt was legal, Mr Loveridge said he had warned professional hunter Richard Cooke that shooting Xanda ‘would be detrimental to the population’.

It emerged last week that Xanda had been killed, two years after the death of his father, Cecil, who was shot dead in a similar area in controversial circumstances with a bow and arrow by US dentist Walter Palmer and took 40 hours to die.

In the immediate aftermath of Xanda’s death, Mr Loveridge had said Mr Cooke was an ethical hunter and ‘one of the good guys’ because he handed the lion’s collar back to researchers.

However, Mr Loveridge has appeared to have had a change of mind, and accused the hunting party of lying about the lion’s death.


‘Ethics is about not just adhering to the letter of the law, but also making informed ethical choices to limit the detrimental impacts of hunting activities,’ he said.

‘There is no question that Mr Cooke was fully aware that this animal was a pride male. He was a territorial male in a pride of three females with at least seven dependent cubs of between one and one and a half years old.’

However, he acknowledged that the hunters had contacted the research unit at Oxford University to make checks before shooting Xanda.

On its Facebook page, the Lions of Hwange National Park group wrote: ‘Xanda is still a young father at 6.2 years old and has several young cubs. We can’t believe that now, two years since Cecil was killed, that his oldest cub Xanda has met the same fate.’


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Teel me again how we benefit from shooting these park lions?

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Seems like President Trump has had the "media" correctly figured out all along.

They publish "false" news and spin the news however they want, knowing most people will automatically believe the story to be true as reported.

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Teel me again how we benefit from shooting these park lions?

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I proposed on another hunting forums a few years back, that in an effort to improve "trophy" hunting (and its economic impact on those countries), if the National Parks would relocate excess "trophy" animals from the parks to areas where they could be legally hunted, that would help solve some of the animal control problems in Parks where the carrying capacity of the land has been exceeded, and increase that countries reputation as a "go to" place for certain animals.

Letting the old lions and elephants, that are way past breeding age linger and die in a National Park is a waste of a very valuable resource IMO.

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Cecil the lion’s son Xanda also shot dead in Zimbabwe
July 21, 2017
**Updated on 24th July 2017 in response to a statement by ZPHGA (see end)**

Xanda, Cecil the lion’s oldest surviving son, has been shot and killed by hunters in Zimbabwe two years after his father’s death shocked the world.

Xanda, aged six, was shot by a trophy hunter on 7th July just outside the boundaries of Hwange National Park, close to where his father was killed.

The Oxford scientists who were tracking him have called for a wider no-hunting zone around the Park.

Like his father, Xanda was being tracked (using remote satellite technology) by a team led by Professor David Macdonald and Dr Andrew Loveridge of Oxford University’s Wildlife Conservation Research Unit (WildCRU).

WildCRU have worked on the conservation of big cats in Zimbabwe for almost two decades. From their close work with the lions, they know that Xanda was born into the ‘Backpans pride’ in May 2011, the son of Cecil, the study lion made posthumously famous in 2015 through his death at the hands of American dentist Walter Palmer.

Xanda was first collared as an adult lion in July 2015, and a new GPS satellite collar was fitted by Dr Loveridge and the project field team in October 2016. He was the pride male of a pride of three females and seven cubs and his movements were continuously tracked until his death. The pride’s home range spanned the National Park boundary and they spent considerable time outside the protection of the park. Xanda was shot 2km from the park boundary in the Ngamo Forest, an area were lions can be legally hunted on quota.

Dr Loveridge, a Senior Research Fellow with Oxford’s Department of Zoology, said: “Xanda was one of these gorgeous Kalahari lions, with a big mane, big body, beautiful condition – a very, very lovely animal. Personally, I think it is sad that anyone wants to shoot a lion, but there are people who will pay money to do that.”

“I put the collar on Xanda last October and spent a bit of time following him around,” he said. “You have handled them so you feel a personal engagement with the animal.”

Professor Macdonald, Director of the WildCRU, added “Although it is heartbreakingly sad for us that this lion has been shot – and I can’t understand somebody taking pleasure in it – the episode shows just how important it is that we are working so intensively on the conservation of these animals, and documenting the threats they face. Indeed, donations we received following Cecil’s death enabled us to pay for Xanda’s tracking collar, to document his life and to support our remarkable Zimbabwean team dedicated to providing a scientific base for lion conservation.”

The WildCRU team is now repeating their call for a five kilometre no-hunting zone around the park. Dr Loveridge said: “It is something we have suggested for years. But there is a lot of resistance because a lot of the hunting happens right on the boundary, because that is where the animals are. The photo-tourism operators in Hwange are very keen to have that discussion. They are annoyed that this has happened.”

Professor Macdonald, who was shocked to hear of Xanda’s death as he got off a plane from Australia only a few hours ago, said: “Our buffer zone idea also illustrates the importance of our work – we have carefully documented the movements of the lions, the threats they face, of which trophy hunting is only one, and so we know where they are at greatest risk. Our evidence provides the essential details to assist Zimbabwe’s policy-makers”

Poignantly, Professor Macdonald had been in Australia reporting on WildCRU’s Cecil studies to a major international congress of mammal conservationists.

Cecil’s death in July 2015 sparked international outrage and a flood of support for WildCRU’s conservation work. That support has enabled them to train a cadre of remarkably dedicated young Zimbabwean conservation biologists, and to extend the lion conservation project to new areas, and into Botswana. A key aspect of the WildCRU’s practical conservation work is helping local farmers whose livestock, livelihoods and even lives are threatened by living alongside lions.

In 2016, Professor Macdonald launched the Cecil Summit with the hope, in his words, “of turning the Cecil Moment into the Cecil Movement” and creating a new international momentum for conservation. Professor Macdonald said “WildCRU’s work stretches from groundedness to geopolitics – solving global problems of conservation requires both the sort of highly practical work we do with villagers in Zimbabwe, and the highest level of political decision making. That is why we assembled at the Cecil Summit not only top notch lion experts, but world-class authorities on economics, development, law and politics – this holistic approach can create a new and powerful conservation”.

He added, “I am pleased that recent donations will allow us to hold a second Cecil Summit, later this year: and this time we will meet in an African country to ensure the greatest possible engagement with local stakeholders”.

WildCRU, based in the Recanati-Kaplan Centre at Oxford, is studying lions in various parts of Africa to uncover the science that will inform and underpin their conservation. Lion numbers are precariously low. WildCRU and its partners have estimated that there are fewer than 30,000 across the continent and in many parts of Africa their numbers are tumbling.

The team works on the lions of Hwange National Park with the support and collaboration of the Zimbabwe Parks and Wildlife Management Authority. The goal is to understand the threats that lions face, and to use cutting-edge science to develop solutions to those threats. The work involves satellite-tracking the movements of more than a hundred lions and monitoring every detail of the lives of more than 500 individuals.

WildCRU’s work is also highly practical – its projects have included running an anti-poaching team, a local conservation theatre group, and an education campaign that gets information into every school in the district. The team also works with local farmers to help them live alongside lions and improve their livelihoods.

Professor Macdonald concluded “Xanda’s death was almost two years to the day after Cecil’s, but I hope our sadness at this eerie coincidence can be balanced if this reinforces the global attention on lion conservation. And the Cecil Movement is, of course, not just about lions – lions are a metaphor for how humanity will live alongside all biodiversity in the 21st century: this is a huge question for our age”.

WildCRU welcomes support for its conservation research activities, including the work currently undertaken in Zimbabwe and the adjoining landscape in Botswana. In particular support is needed to fund WildCRU’s work on the conservation of lions, including the purchase of satellite tracking collars, project vehicles and the training of young Zimbabwean conservationists. You can find out more about supporting WildCRU here.

Update in response to a statement released by ZPHGA (24th July 2017)


A statement released by ZPHGA (Zimbabwe Professional Hunters and Guides Association) regarding the recent hunt of the lion ‘Xanda’ on a safari conducted by a Zimbabwean professional hunter contained two inaccuracies that WildCRU wishes to correct insofar as they mentioned our data and our field staff. The first inaccuracy concerned the statement that this lion was an “ousted” territorial male and the second concerned reference to remarks wrongly attributed to our field team.

Firstly, this lion was not an ‘ousted’ territorial male. He was a territorial pride male in a pride of three females with at least seven dependent cubs of between 1 and 1.5 years old. These cubs are too young to survive on their own and will certainly be vulnerable to infanticide. While the hunt of this animal was not illegal it was clearly disruptive to the social structure of the population and has most likely put the survival of the pride’s cubs in jeopardy.

Secondly, the professional hunter was said to have been told by our field staff that ‘the lion had previously been with a pride in the park’ and ‘confirmed that the lion in question did not have any dependant cubs’. In fact he was informed that this lion, whose range spanned the park boundary, was a pride male associated with a pride and dependent cubs, and that hunting him would be detrimental to the population.

It is regrettable that the ZPHGA misrepresented this information which has created, in some quarters, an incorrect impression.


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Teel me again how we benefit from shooting these park lions?

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I proposed on another hunting forums a few years back, that in an effort to improve "trophy" hunting (and its economic impact on those countries), if the National Parks would relocate excess "trophy" animals from the parks to areas where they could be legally hunted, that would help solve some of the animal control problems in Parks where the carrying capacity of the land has been exceeded, and increase that countries reputation as a "go to" place for certain animals.

Letting the old lions and elephants, that are way past breeding age linger and die in a National Park is a waste of a very valuable resource IMO.

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You have to be joking? You mean like airlifting protected Park animals down on some waiting guns?

If the hunting concessions have failed then it is partly due to the operator and lack of management finance.


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This is worse than the Russia conspiracy.

These researchers are committing treason by undermining the economy of Zimbabwe. They should be brought to justice immediately and if found guilty, sentenced to death by firing squad of hunters and PHs!

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Seriously, where was McDonald when lions were dying like flies in Kruger not too many years ago?

Typing up a report, no doubt, or presenting a paper. Or perhaps schmoozing some donors over cocktails in some stuffy London hotel.

At least we know he cannot have any self-respect. Perhaps that will drive him to off himself, or drink himself into the ground.


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It made Comedy Central.


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Jeff, I suspect you will be waiting a while for someone to answer that one. As was said above, what is legal and what is wise are not necessarily the same.


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In the case of this lion...the whole system functioned exactly as it was supposed to.

We had better start uniting to stand together on this subject or risk losing the privilege forever.


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The main problem facing the survival of many species is lack of habitat. Many game parks are at, or near, the carrying capacity of the space for some species of animals.

In Nuanetsi last year (not a Park, I know), I witnessed both Zebra and warthog, that apparently had starved to death. No doubt, similar situations occur in many of Africa's National Parks.

Rather than let these older, more vulnerable animals die of starvation, why not relocate some of them to communal lands or even game farms to generate additional monies for the parks?

If you look at it objectively, it seems to be a logical use of these animals.

I understand in some Parks, culling of excess animals still occasionally occurs.

To me, that is the ultimate waste of natural resources.

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Zimbabwe should not allow export of Xanda's remains without a full investigation, says HSI

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In a letter to The Honorable Oppah Muchinguri MP, the Minister of Environment, Water and Climate of Zimbabwe, Humane Society International is calling on the government of Zimbabwe to investigate the irregularities surrounding the killing of Xanda the lion last week. In particular, HSI requests that Zimbabwe officials fully investigate the hunt, bring legal action against the trophy hunters if warranted, prevent the export of the trophy and establish a five-kilometer no-hunting zone around Hwange National Park.

According to a document posted on the Zimbabwe Parks and Wildlife Management Authority website, male lions of any age known to be heading prides or known to be part of a coalition heading prides with dependent cubs (18 months old or less) should not be hunted. At the time of the hunt, researchers with the University of Oxford were tracking Xanda, the 6-year-old son of Cecil the lion. They have confirmed that Xanda was a male in a pride with three females and at least seven dependent cubs of between 12 and 18 months old who are too young to survive on their own and will be vulnerable to infanticide by any male lion who takes over Xanda's pride. The researchers informed the professional hunter, whose client killed Xanda, of these facts and that killing Xanda would harm the lion population. The advice was ignored.

Audrey Delsink, executive director of Humane Society International/Africa, said: "With so many irregularities shrouding the killing of Xanda, we urge the Government of Zimbabwe to hold the people involved in his death accountable, if they are found to have acted in an illegal manner. Sadly, Xanda's killers have also left his cubs vulnerable to infanticide, which means this careless hunt could lead to further unnecessary loss of animals already threatened with extinction. It just further highlights the destructive nature of the trophy hunting industry. At minimum, Zimbabwe must conduct a full investigation and not allow Xanda's remains to leave the country as a trophy."

Although the hunting group representing the hunters who killed Xanda claim he did not hold tenure of a pride, the scientists at the Hwange National Park where the hunt took place confirmed the collar returned to them by the hunter was Xanda's. The hunter's nationality and identity remains unknown.



In the letter, HSI urges the Government of Zimbabwe to:

Investigate the killing of Xanda to evaluate whether the relevant regulations and policies were followed and make the findings publicly known;
Not issue an export permit for the trophy of Xanda if any irregularities are found;
Prosecute any people involved in illegal acts with regard to the killing of Xanda if evidence of such is found; and
Establish a 5 km no hunting zone around Hwange National Park to prevent further killings of research animals, as urged by lion scientists at the University of Oxford.

Read the letter here.

Facts:

Fewer than 30,000 African lions—and possibly as few as 20,000—are estimated to remain today. Lions exist in 8 percent of their former range and are suffering from loss of habitat and prey in addition to poorly regulated trophy hunting.
A report conducted by Economists at Large and commissioned by HSI found that trophy hunting is not economically important in African countries, with the total economic contribution of trophy hunters at most estimated at 0.03 percent of gross domestic product in the countries studied.


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"Henceforth, only nameless homeless lions shall be taken, and then only in areas more than a week's march from any National Park, and finally only after posting a notice in the Weekly Gazette stating the intended victim's location, whisker pattern, known relatives, and the proposed date and manner of taking. Objections to be made by written notice addressed to the applicant by registered mail, and if any such objections are received, the matter shall be decided by the nearest foreign academic with a pot belly and bad breath posing as a wildlife researcher."

(PS Unless said lion is in the act of killing, or has recently killed, or is planning the killing of a goat, sheep or other livestock in which case all bets are off)


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