First Two Documents are WORTHLESS. Anyone can produce this.

Licences or Permits: Hilary's Name appears nowhere. So What?????????? PH has to sign these forms unless you are suggesting unlicensed PH's were dumb enough to sign these documents.

The handwritten notes have some form of "official Stamp". Most importantly the hunters names appear and all are American. I will track them down and see what they have to say. I saved them in case you later decide posting was a bad idea and want to pull them down. Also don't forget Larry Shores and his son were two of the clients and they knew what was taken by the party before and the party after. So automatically we will know what 6 of 10 hunters harvested.

I can read enough Kiswahili to get by.

American Hunters Michael Marta and Robert Gulley appear to have to the SAME HANDWRITING.

The last Three of you "smoking gun" permits end with the Lion being taken and no other animals thereafter. Doesn't this seem both odd and unlikely?

As far as the poor concerned Tanzanian citizen act; I am not buying it and neither is anyone else. So far you have "proven" bupkus. Sure you can post whatever you want, but without disclosing your indentity or your motivation, you will never be considered credible.

Jeff Sevor

Firstly ask hillary for hes 2007 quota and prove me wrong about my first two documents, trust me i will be smilling and you wont.

Anyone can produce any document, but i can add some more to it. The permit was a carbon copy and if anyone on this forum who has hunted tanzania can also state that the details on the last permit sheet usually appear vaguely, whats important is the permit number. And if you do youre homework i would bet my life that those permits belong to hillarys clients in lunda. Not only that only one outfitter has the right to hunt in lunda WMA so if you look at the permit it is in lunda that the game was shot. It doesnt take a genius to figure that one out so it is nobody else but hillarys clients.

The pH s were stupid enough to hunt in the first place, And you Jeff have no clue whatsoever about what you say. I would do my homework first before talking too loudly the reason i say this is that on a hunting permit the only people that sign that is the CLIENT and the GAMESCOUT. NO PH signs the hunting permit.

Why would i want to pull my post down, you should have a copy of it so you will realise where you went wrong. PLease do us all a favour and get a hold of those clients and ask them what they shot and if those signatures were not really theirs.

We all know that you and larry shores are personal friends of hillarys so i dont take word of mouth as proof show me proof i have why dont you???

The two clients that have the same hand writting means nothing because all that is written is name and date and anyone it be the PH or gamesout or client can fill that space.The client must sign the document and as you can see all signatures are different.

About no other animals being taken after the lion you have no idea hoew happy i am that you brought that up. Here Goes, tanzania has a law that you must utilise 40% of youre quota or pay the top up. Hillary has an area called lake chaya and basically he shoots most of the game in lunda and uses lake chayas quota which is a crime! What a better case example then the following look at mr shores hunt report on lunda he states all the game he shot. Well i will post hes hunting permit and you will see some of hes game has not been written down, Mr shores you will see youre permit and youre sons soon after with youre signature.
Doesnt that say something i think the word is RAPE!!! This is not an attack on mr shores but jeff needs to wake up and look outside the box.

I dont care what you say but i know my words arnt landing on deaf ears jeff youre arrogance is!!!

I don't have a dog in this fight, but will say that Ndrobo is absolutely spot on correct in his comments about the hunting licence requirements etc and also the fact that only the top copy of the licence is anywhere near legible.

quote:

Originally posted by Ndorobo:
I dont care what you say but i know my words arnt landing on deaf ears jeff youre arrogance is!!!

So let me get this straight, because I don't fall all over myself with your posted permits, I am ARROGANT? I indicated I would do my research and see what comes of it. As far as the weight of word of mouth of a known American citizen vs. an anon. African internet poster with an obvious agenda...Well let me do my research. Any of my forms have the PH's names on them.

Ndorobo, Do you hunt Chaya also? You seem obsessed with the goings on of Hilary Daffi. Did he steal your girlfriend?

Be careful attempting to bad mouth or denigrate my friend Larry Shores.

I will do my diligence and will let you know. I am sorry you seem so frustrated with me, but I will look into your information.

Trust me I am far from arrogant.

quote:

Originally posted by Ndorobo:
Doc.1
Doc.2

The above documents are from MBOMIPA which is the association that runs Lunda WMA.

The first document is in Kiswahili and basically explains what company is hunting in the area, in this case Marera Safaris. On the second document there are two tables, the first shows what was shot for 2007 whilst the second table shows the quota for 2007 for Marera safaris. As you can see Lion has been overshot as well as Zebra. The remainder of this document is not releveant to our case and I therefore did not post it.

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The four above listed hunting permits all belong to clients who have hunted with Hillary Daffi in Lunda in 2007. The names are not as clear on the top of the document as this is the yellow carbon copy. What is important is the license number which is on the top right hand corner. These papers clearly show FOUR, instead of TWO lions that were shot in 2007 in an area of 160km2 which is a DISGRACE!!!

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The above document is a signed and stamped report from the secretary of MBOMIPA clearly showing the license numbers and names of clients who hunted the Lunda Concession in 2007. The numbers on the above documents can also be linked to and compared with the numbers on the hunting permits I linked prior to the above documents.

All the above linked documents are official papers from the MPOMIPA. I understand that a lot of the information given is in Swahili, however considering the doubts over the authenticity of what I had yet to post I thought it better to leave them be as they were (feel free though to check up with the relevant authorities). If however anyone needs or wants an explanation on something, there are enough people on this forum who speak and understand enough Kiswahili to be of help.

Regarding the unlicensed PH's you can get a list from the Tanzanian wildlife department, which clearly shows the PH's in question only sat their PH exams LAST YEAR, whilst already actively hunting in Tanzania in 2007.

Finally regarding my anonymity. I am free to post and say what I want under whichever name. At the end of the day the most important thing is that you see these documents and this entire issue for what they are and it is. Mark Felt stayed anonymous for THIRTY years after he exposed the watergate scandal and NO ONE can deny that despite his anonymity his comments were taken very seriously indeed!!!! Once again, I have been hunting in Lunda for many years as a RESIDENT HUNTER and seeing an area like that being destroyed in such a criminal manner is the sole reason for me to try and expose this man for what he truly is.

Please note: The game licenses posted above have been downscaled from A3 to A4 for the sake of simplicity.

Seems like Ndorobo has delivered the goods. Contents of the documents substantiate his accusations on overkill unless someone can pull a white rabbit out of the hat to show the extra 2 Lions were approved as additional quota (which I doubt).

I know you guys, the so called youeself Ndorobo, Bwanamich etc.
You are Greek guys from Iringa and DAR.Iringa are the Feliakos and Dar is Michel Menthiakis.The days for fighting Black Tanzanians is coming to an end,have you seen the list of BIG WHITE CORRUPT GROUP?
Next is you guys, pretending true Tanzanians,you are just Greeks,why dont go back to your Country of origin?You are the worst long time poachers in Iringa, now since you dont have access thats why you are jelious.
If dont stop all your bullshit shit is going to hit the fane.
I wish you know the outcome of what you are doing.The reason Pre Mugabe is fighting whites in Zimbabwe is the same like you guys are doing.Dont underrate Tanzanian blacks.
Is time now.This is nothing but jelous.

quote:

The reason Pre Mugabe is fighting whites in Zimbabwe is the same like you guys are doing.

Don't bring us into it asshole. Our country has got absolutely nothing in common with yours. If you dare to have anything to say about Zim, then dare to reveal yourself you coward. And I don't care what color you are. This is the only time I have ever been truly angry about an AR post. Who is this jerk with 2 posts?

David Hulme

quote:

Who is this jerk with 2 posts?

+1


Seloushunter

Irregardless of the negative racist tone of Korongo's post he does attempt to identify those that refuse to identify themselves thereby shedding further light on the KEEN or shall I say zealous interest in Lunda concession. Now I am done with this thread until I am able to confirm or deny Ndorobo's assertions. If Hilary DAfi is wrong I will say so and my faith will have been misplaced. It won't be the first time.

JEff

Jeff

Korongo,

I can assure you that at least one of them most certainly isn't Greek or from Iringa or Dar.

As for bringing black and white into it........that's nothing more than total bollocks and the comment about Mugabe is utter, total and complete bollocks.

This forum is about African hunting not politics and no matter what your point of view on this or any other subject, politics have bugger all to do with it.

If you've got something sensible and/or pertinent to say, that's be great though.

quote:

Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:
Irregardless of the negative racist tone of Korongo's post he does identify those that refuse to identify themselves thereby shedding further light on the KEEN or shall I say zealous interest in Lunda concession. Now I am done with this thread until I am able to confirm or deny Ndorobo's assertions.

Jeff

I really have no idea who is telling the truth and who isn't.

But, how can you believe one individual hiding behind a nickname and not another one who is doing the same?

Korongo and BB,

If you are saying that I am a Feliakos or Michel Menthiakis you are WRONG. I am neither the people you mention.

BB, Ndorobo, Korongo : DO NOT bring me into your dispute.

KORONGO, whoever you are, read your own words again: PITIFUL! IGNORANT! With 1 post you have shown your true colors!

Saeed,

I didn't read my post carefully and editied it while you are typing your reply. Please reread my post.

At this point I don't beleive anyone at all.

NOONE.

What I do beleive very strongly is that there ulterior motives at work her and that seems to be playing out nicely. I have asked for disclosure of parties and interest and get NONE.

I have no freakin idea who Korongo is and don't really care. The other party(ies)...pretty confident who that is...

Done here until I can confirm or deny and will admit so either way.

Jeff Sevor

I wish to clarify my position in all of this:

I am not a Feliakos or Michel Manteakis. I have no interest in Lunda or anywhere else that has been mentioned. I don't and have never lived in Iringa and I don't know Hillary Dafy or Marera Tours.

My initial comments on this thread were done on the premise that "where there is smoke there is fire" following Ndorobo's post and the newspaper article. In view of what is transpiring, that may have been naive of me.

Wow. A lot has happened since last night.

I personally know some of those who had those licenses. I can't tell who the others are. I surely can't tell that one is mine as alleged. I am going to look again.

While I probably know more Kiswahili than the average American, I certainly do not know enough to read these documents. Some of them could be easily generated by anyone. For all I know they say my ex wives are nice women. The one thing that I do see that is clearly wrong is that they list 2 clients named William Shores (my son and I) of which one is listed as being Mongolian. Trust me, neither one of us is Mongolian nor have we ever been to Mongolia. Not sure where that can from. I think this does prove that these documents can be wrong.

I posted in 07 exactly what we shot and I stand by that as true. I have the shipping documents from Tanzania which reflect the exact same animals. We both had 21 day licenses and shot nothing that was not allowed on a 21 day license. I shot more than my son. The following is what I recall I shot without going back to look at my documents:
Leopard
2 zebra
2 impala
warthog
greater kudu
eland
baboon
sable
2 buffalo
All of this is clearly allowed on a 21 day license. This is not a lot of animals for a 21 day hunt My son shot less (no buff for example). However, he shot a dikdik and I did not. Again, all clearly allowed on a 21 day license. Please identify the license that is supposedly mine. I can't tell.

As far as this Lake Chaya allegations, it is a fact that some of the clients hunted both areas.
The clients before us did in fact hunt both areas. I have never been to Lake Chaya.

As I said before, I wasn't there for all of the hunts. I don't know. All I can say is that what we experienced is exactly the opposite of what is alleged. As I said before, I asked Hilary if another lion was available for my son. He said no. It would have benefited Hilary personally had he allowed Ryan to shoot a lion as I was paying far more than the game department fee under the arrangement I had with Hilary. It was in fact $20,000 that was agreed. This would have generated a large profit. Yet he said no without any hesitation. He also recommended against shooting a mediocre lesser kudu because of quota issues. These actions are completely inconsistent with these allegations.

One of my buddies grew up in Kenya. I am going to ask him to interpret these document for me.


I still have the utmost respect for Hilary. We had a good hunt and a good time. It was all done the right way. I walked many miles in extreme heat after buffalo. We rode many many miles checking lion baits sometimes arriving back in camp around midnight.

I can't read or otherwise authenticate the documents. I don't know. What I do know is that I think it is a spineless chicken shit thing to do this anonymously.

I have since looked in my files. I have invoices and e mails documenting what we shot. They are 100% consistent with what we shot and what I posted in 07. One other point, in the 07 post, the animals listed were for both my son and me. They were not just mine and the post clearly indicates that.

Here is a copy of the e mail invoice.

By the way, there is a company previously mentioned above that got part of Hilary's area. They promised the Council to build a $500,000 photographic lodge while retaining hunting rights. The lodge has never been built.

Do any of you Tanzanian's know anything about that? I'm just asking.............

From what rock did this guy crawl out from under? Please go somewhere else and then stay there!

Brett

"The reason Pre Mugabe is fighting whites in Zimbabwe is the same like you guys are doing."

PS. Would you mind posting your name and address? I'm sure I could find a few Zimbabwean PHs that wouldn't mind stopping by for a "spirited discussion".

Hello everybody.
I have received several messages to from friends that my name is being mentioned and slandered on AR.

This is the first time I have looked at AR since December and the first time I participate in writing anything. I have very little spare time and prefer to focus my energy on my company in this difficult year and on industry matters like how Tanzania can better compete in the world hunting market.
Im therefore not happy to have to put my time into defending my honor as both my conscience is clean and my reputation too.

I will make a few comments.

I am not BwanaMich or Ndorobo and I have no involvement with them or their comments on AR.

I want you all of you to please forgive Korongos racist remarks. I can assure you he is not a Tanzanian and if he is he has forgotten both the law and his constitutional obligations.
Our constitution starts by saying All people are born Free and equal.....You can end up in jail in Tanzania for racist remarks.

MBOMIPA Wildlife Managment Area Authority has 4
zones, and We have exclusive rights to Zone 1 which is called LUNDA. There is another company that has Kinyangese Mkupule for hunting and another 2 zones are for photographic safaris. Only zone 1 is called Lunda and we have it so it is not honest for anybody to claim or advertise that name in Mbomipa WMA other than us. The onlt other Lunda is outside the Present MBOMIPA WMA and that is LUNDA MKWAMBI and that is being operated by FOA ADVENTURES.Anybody else who claims the Lunda name is misguiding.

I also tendered for Kinyangese Mkupule (zone 3) in 2007 and my offer amounted to more than double in total Value but somehow our aplication was "lost" on that day that MBOMIPA considered all the other offers and awarded the area to another company. I was not happy at all to have been cheated like this, and I have complained a lot about this as is my right to do so.However by doing so I become a scape goat.

I have heard that Marera Safaris accuses me (indirectly) to have fabricated all the allegations mentioned in the News paper article. Its a good ploy because people know Im aggrieved and therefore this excuse is more believable.

All I can say is that if he believes it is all fabricated then he should take to court the news paper for millions.

So why doesn't he do this?

I will not put up with accusations from Dr Jeff Sevor or Larry shores or Korongo for long without responding. I want to be left out of this and I warn you Im much better informed than all of you on this subject.

I also want Fliakos left out of this. He and the Abri put hundreds of thousands of dollars of their own money to protect the WMA areas so that a WMA could be created for the benefit of the local communities that suround the area. Iringa region and MBOMIPA owes them a lot for their conservation efforts and generosity.

I want you all to stop and think of the 4 Lion hunters, who if it is true what the News paper wrote, then 2 of them overshot on the Lions quota and therefore participated in a crime (innocently), that means their trophies were not legal. The effect of that is that certain Federal authorities in the USA could come down on those individuals or even the Tanzanian industry. Please remember the recent LACEY ACT court case in Texas where a very famous USA hunting Agent was taken to court on accusation of having participated in a illegal hunt in Russia and assisted in the importation of illegally obtained trophies into the USA. He won the case but it sure ruined him financially.
We must all agree these 2 hunters are innocent individuals who should be left alone.

I want you all to please stop this thread and Ndorobo and Bwanamich thank you for standing up for me but please find something better to do.

I must say I too Im dying to know your identity but I warn you this thread is opening a can of worms for the industry at a time that we face so many political threats and challenges. This will only harm us as we have devious Members of parliament who could have a heyday with this.

Korongo thanks for the phone call and all your foul insults to me, my family, my partner,my parents and my race. I will remember you in my prayers with my family and ask God to forgive you. I know you must be a desperate man for only desperate people do these things, and in your prayers you better pray that I dont change my mind open my mouth.

I would appreciate being left out of this please.

Ndorobo please find something better to do, all this makes Tanzania hunting industry look bad. This is like a family scandal, Its best taken care of at home within the family without the neighborhood knowing and looking at all of us with shame.

Michel Mantheakis
Miombo Safaris & Kilombero North Safaris ltd

quote:

Originally posted by Michel Mantheakis:
Hello everybody.I will not put up with accusations from Dr Jeff Sevor or Larry shores or Korongo for long without responding.

Exactly what have you been accused of on this thread or any where else by Larry Shores or myself? Next SHOW ME and everyone else where I mentioned your name!!!

Please quote it...

This is an attempt to slavage the reputation of a friend. I don't know you or anything about you. So respond how you like. I will attempt to determine if these documents are accurate. I will report so.

Both Ndorobo and Korongo are inflammatory backstabbing bottom feeders.

Jeff Sevor

I didn't accuse anyone of anything. All I am saying is that I witnessed just the opposite behavior. Please show me where I accused anyone of anything.

This forum is for spreading information. I did that as have others.

If laws were broken, fine. Someone must pay the price. From what i saw, no laws were broken on our hunt.

I am done with this thread. The thread leaves a bit of a bad taste in my mouth for Tanzania. Plenty of countries are looking for our hunting dollars this year.

quote:

Originally posted by Korongo:
I know you guys, the so called youeself Ndorobo, Bwanamich etc.
You are Greek guys from Iringa and DAR.Iringa are the Feliakos and Dar is Michel Menthiakis.The days for fighting Black Tanzanians is coming to an end,have you seen the list of BIG WHITE CORRUPT GROUP?
Next is you guys, pretending true Tanzanians,you are just Greeks,why dont go back to your Country of origin?You are the worst long time poachers in Iringa, now since you dont have access thats why you are jelious.
If dont stop all your bullshit shit is going to hit the fane.
I wish you know the outcome of what you are doing.The reason Pre Mugabe is fighting whites in Zimbabwe is the same like you guys are doing.Dont underrate Tanzanian blacks.
Is time now.This is nothing but jelous.

I was going to write a long and well reasoned reply to this post, but decided I could sum it up in four words: You are an idiot!

quote:

Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:

quote:

Originally posted by Michel Mantheakis:
Hello everybody.I will not put up with accusations from Dr Jeff Sevor or Larry shores or Korongo for long without responding.

Exactly what have you been accused of on this thread or any where else by Larry Shores or myself? Next SHOW ME and everyone else where I mentioned your name!!!

Please quote it...

This is an attempt to slavage the reputation of a friend. I don't know you or anything about you. So respond how you like. I will attempt to determine if these documents are accurate. I will report so.

Both Ndorobo and Korongo are inflammatory backstabbing bottom feeders.

Jeff Sevor

You never did say his name, but his company was the company that no one mentioned a name for, but kept implying that supposedly has alterior motives. I think he has a good point in trying to protect inocent hunters from the Lacey act by letting sleeping dogs be.

"Hello everybody.
I have received several messages to from friends that my name is being mentioned and slandered on AR."

Hello to you too Michel. Welcome to AR. I'm sorry that your first post here on AR has to be necesary to defend your name. Please stop back some time and contribute to the forum. Your advice and expert knowledge would be greatly appreciated.

Brett

quote:

Originally posted by Brett Adam
Jeff Sevor

You never did say his name, but his company was the company that no one mentioned a name for, but kept implying that supposedly has alterior motives. I think he has a good point in trying to protect inocent hunters from the Lacey act by letting sleeping dogs be.[/QUOTE]

Brett, Since you have decided to interject yourself here, EXACTLY WHERE do I mention Mr. Mantheakis or his company?

Quote it.

What are you trying to contibute here?

The only person that made negative statements about Mr Mantheakis is Korongo. Korongo should not be making those types of racist comments anomyously.

I did ask a question about a situation involving that company. A QUESTION, not a accusation.

I think Michel is dead right...... better for all concerned just to let this one die.

Bwana Bunduki,

As I stated previously you didn't mention him, but Michel and others reading this post may have assumed that was who you were refering to. I have no sides in this one and I'm out.

Brett

quote:

Originally posted by larryshores:
The only person that made negative statements about Mr Mantheakis is Korongo. Korongo should not be making those types of racist comments anomyously.

Korongo = HD??

I suspect so

quote:

Originally posted by Korongo:
I know you guys, the so called youeself Ndorobo, Bwanamich etc.
You are Greek guys from Iringa and DAR.Iringa are the Feliakos and Dar is Michel Menthiakis.The days for fighting Black Tanzanians is coming to an end,have you seen the list of BIG WHITE CORRUPT GROUP?
Next is you guys, pretending true Tanzanians,you are just Greeks,why dont go back to your Country of origin?You are the worst long time poachers in Iringa, now since you dont have access thats why you are jelious.
If dont stop all your bullshit shit is going to hit the fane.
I wish you know the outcome of what you are doing.The reason Pre Mugabe is fighting whites in Zimbabwe is the same like you guys are doing.Dont underrate Tanzanian blacks.
Is time now.This is nothing but jelous.

Not sure if I would enjoy or even feel safe booking a Safari with the likes of this chap??

wow alot has happened over the weekend, as ive been away. Well ive decided to make this my last post over this topic as this could affect a couple of innocent hunters and that is not what i want.

Korongo im not going to let youre remarks get to me,but you have no idea who i am do you? you can throw guesses here and there but you wont know all i can say is that the world we are living in today you would be considered the scum of the earth. Most of us know who you are and being in a corner can be tough next time try and be smarter.

jeff it was interesting but when you do get a hold of the clients like you said you would PM me and let me know youre findings which i already know.

Mr Shores just so you know two laws WERE broken on youre hunt and i cant say you knew about them but here are the two laws broken , i will be quoting from THE WILDLIFE CONSERVATION ACT (TOURIST HUNTING REGULATIONS. REVISED EDITION 2002.

14-(1) Any tourist hunter shall, in conducting his hunting activities within a given hunting block, be accompanied by a duly licensed proffessional hunter and a game officer who is an employee of wildlife division or a village gamescout where such block falls under the management of an authorised association.
(14) 5. any person who makes false declaration whole applying for a license commits an offence
THE WILDLIFE CONSERVATION ACT 1974, PART IV
31. any person who
(B) Being the holder of a valid game license hunts, kills or wounds
(iii) a specified or shedualed animal in an area other than the area specified in the license.

now i will send you a PM that shows youre hunting license as well as youre sons and look at it carefully and what animals you shot and what was signed for. Once you have done that all i want is for you to let people know on this forum that what i have said has been the truth on this matter.

Mr Mantheakis im afraid i cant find something better to do, you write about the constitution well let me remind of article 27 of the constitution

27-(1) EVERY PERSON HAS THE DUTY TO PROTECT THE NATURAL RESOURCES OF THE UNITED REPUBLIC, THE PROPERTY OF THE STATE AUTHORITY, ALL PROPERTY COLLECTIVELY OWNED BY THE PEOPLE , AND ALSO TO RESPECT ANOTHER PERSONS PROPERTY.
(2)ALL PERSONS SHALL BE REQUIRED BY LAW TO SAFEGUARD THE PROPERTY OF THE STATE AUTHORITY AND ALL PROPERTY COLLECTIVELY OWNED BY THE PEOPLE , TO COMBAT ALL FORMS OF WASTE AND SQUANDER,N AND TO MANAGE THE NATIONAL ECONOMY ASSIDUOUSLY WITH THE ATTITUDE OF PEOPLE WHO ARE MATTERS OF THE DESTINY OF THEIR NATION.

What has happened above is abuse, so why shouldnt we speak? By Asking me to keep quiet is asking me not to practice my constitutional right.

But anyway im done with this topic and i do apologise for others bringing in youre company into this matter.

By all means send it to me. There were some wounded animals. They are on The list I posted. I have absolutely no idea about the PH licenses. Please e mail to me address listed above. I am away for a coue of days . My girlfriend is having heart surgery. I only have my I phone.

Larry,

I hope everything goes well.

Brett