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Originally posted by noreaster:
Mr joyce, you seem to know Mr Sullivan quite well. Perhaps you can answer these questions with either a Yes or No.

1. Does Mr Sullivan require his clients to sign a non-disclosure or similar agreement?

Assuming the answer is No,

2. Has Mr Sullivan or any of his hunters under his direction ever purposely wound such as gut shoot or shoot with a small caliber rifle a dangerous game animal with the intent of having the animal later charge?

3. Has Mr Sullivan ever shot more buffalo then his license allowed?

Thank you.

I have most of Mr Sullivan's productions and enjoy them.

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Originally posted by noreaster:
Mr joyce, you seem to know Mr Sullivan quite well. Perhaps you can answer these questions with either a Yes or No.

1. Does Mr Sullivan require his clients to sign a non-disclosure or similar agreement?

Assuming the answer is No,

2. Has Mr Sullivan or any of his hunters under his direction ever purposely wound such as gut shoot or shoot with a small caliber rifle a dangerous game animal with the intent of having the animal later charge?

3. Has Mr Sullivan ever shot more buffalo then his license allowed?

Thank you.

I have most of Mr Sullivan's productions and enjoy them.

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We are all aware of the many donations Mark has made to SCI over the years to move that organization and their conservation efforts forward as well.

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Originally posted by Nganga:

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Originally posted by noreaster:
Mr joyce, you seem to know Mr Sullivan quite well. Perhaps you can answer these questions with either a Yes or No.

1. Does Mr Sullivan require his clients to sign a non-disclosure or similar agreement?

Assuming the answer is No,

2. Has Mr Sullivan or any of his hunters under his direction ever purposely wound such as gut shoot or shoot with a small caliber rifle a dangerous game animal with the intent of having the animal later charge?

3. Has Mr Sullivan ever shot more buffalo then his license allowed?

Thank you.

I have most of Mr Sullivan's productions and enjoy them.

Here noreaster, this will answer all your questions

http://forums.accuratereloadin...2221009731#222100973

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Originally posted by fujotupu:

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We are all aware of the many donations Mark has made to SCI over the years to move that organization and their conservation efforts forward as well.

Mr. Sullivan's membership to SCI was unceremoniously withdrawn not so long ago for apparently no reason, though a reason there must have been, regardless of the many donations he has made in the past to SCI.
Does anyone know why he was ejected?

(Quote)Management of hunting quotas by PHs, conservation objectives done through trophy selection, land burning, water projects, road building, etc., are small examples of how PHs such as Mark and others work daily toward these objectives.(Quote)

Be advised that Mr. Sullivan in greater part channels his clients through outfitters (is not and never has been a concession holder) and is not really an active participant in the projects you have outlined, which in reality are carried out by the concession holder.
MS's contribution in this respect can only be considered as a 'drop in the ocean' when one considers the vast number of PHs operating in TZ and the numbers of clients (hunting days) they contribute.

P.S. He conducts most of his DG hunting in Tanzania and as far as I am aware sub-leases areas for his booked hunting days.

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-I personally walked the SCI show floor with Mark in 2010. To my knowledge Mark is still a member of SCI unless he chose not to renew his membership this year.

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-Mark is an active participant in projects. I have knowledge of and have seen so personally.

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Originally posted by fujotupu:
Express Yourself

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-I personally walked the SCI show floor with Mark in 2010. To my knowledge Mark is still a member of SCI unless he chose not to renew his membership this year.

Just to set the record straight I am not an MS basher; I have met Mark several times in the field and exchanged the usual banter that goes on between PHs - indeed a pleasant fellow to chat with.

I stand to be corrected if it is not true that he was ejected as a member from SCI - at the time I lobbied against the manner in which SCI acted: without giving him a valid reason for the ejection while others jumped on the bandwagon and clapped at the decision (however right or wrong it may have been).

That you may have "walked the floor" at the 2010 convention with Mark does not necessarily make him a member though he might have also been offered reinstatement in the meantime and politely rejected it.

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-Mark is an active participant in projects. I have knowledge of and have seen so personally.

While he may well be involved in some projects going on in the States I am unaware of any he may have in TZ where he conducts his DG hunts and film shoots. Please identify these projects as curiosity has killed the cat.

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Originally posted by CCMDoc:
I don't know dinsdale, re-played that plenty of times and it looks as if the gun is going to his shoulder as the bull is turning - perhaps he was going to do just as you said but the Cape buffalo changed his mind for him.

As I recall, that hunter is seriously disabled with both significant cardiac disease and limb prostheses. The hunter's ability to walk up to the Cape buffalo might be significantly impaired.

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Originally posted by dinsdale:

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Originally posted by CCMDoc:
I don't know dinsdale, re-played that plenty of times and it looks as if the gun is going to his shoulder as the bull is turning - perhaps he was going to do just as you said but the Cape buffalo changed his mind for him.

As I recall, that hunter is seriously disabled with both significant cardiac disease and limb prostheses. The hunter's ability to walk up to the Cape buffalo might be significantly impaired.

We must be watching two different things....

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Originally posted by freischuetz:
Express Yourself

The question was what have he done for " the state of African conservation through hunting" and not how he promotes his business or himself!

Nothing what you listed have anything to do with conservation only with improving his own operation / business!

To my knowledge MS never had his own concession but instead subleases or buy quota from concession holders.

If he would be getting his own concession and would build it up / improve it and managed it sustainable then we could talk about some conservation effort.

Donating to SCI is all about promoting his own business and got nothing to do with conservation in Africa. Companies such as Out of Africa etc. donated big to SCI and they defiantly did nothing positive for conservation or hunting they all brought clients to Africa to make money. ( No SCI Bashing)

Can you name any meaningful conservation project in Africa where MS uses his money to make a different?

Is he part in any working conservation group is he actively working in any African conservation or hunting association?

I don't know the man personally and he might be a very good Shot and promoter of his business but based what i seen on his DVD,s has IMO nothing to do with conservation or hunting.


Thanks

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Originally posted by freischuetz:
Can you name any meaningful conservation project in Africa where MS uses his money to make a different?

Is he part in any working conservation group is he actively working in any African conservation or hunting association?

I don't know the man personally and he might be a very good Shot and promoter of his business but based what i seen on his DVD,s has IMO nothing to do with conservation or hunting.

Thanks

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Originally posted by dinsdale:
For those who are supporters.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...ture=player_embedded


Why not put one between the shoulders on this bull? Obvious that he realizes it's still alive but circles just enough to the left so the bull gets up.....Since the client shot from the truck, why not just drive closer and let him hit it again? Why the walk up?

Explain away.....

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Originally posted by KPete:

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Originally posted by freischuetz:
Can you name any meaningful conservation project in Africa where MS uses his money to make a different?

Is he part in any working conservation group is he actively working in any African conservation or hunting association?

I don't know the man personally and he might be a very good Shot and promoter of his business but based what i seen on his DVD,s has IMO nothing to do with conservation or hunting.

Thanks

Over the years I've witnessed some pretty desperate efforts by people intent on attacking Mr. Sullivan, but this one must win some prize for being the most innovative, if gratuitous.

Never have I heard or read where the decision to hunt with a particular PH was in some way contingent upon his proving his bona fides with respect to "meaningful conservation projects", or his "working conservation group" - whatever the hell that means. I wonder if freischuetz might enlighten us with the altruistic or philanthropic record of men like Philip Percival, Brør von Blixen-Finecke, or Denys Finch-Hatton? The fact is, most of us are looking for a PH who is ethical, experienced, expert, successful, and fun to be with, not the number of community wells he's paid to have dug. Seriously, how many committees do you suppose Bunny Allen chaired in his local hunting association?

If you don't like Sullivan's videos, or his confrontational hunting style, or the cut of his jib, for that matter - for Christ's sake just say so. All this contrived BS about his intentionally wounding game or having clients sign non-disclosure agreements and the like has been put to rest long ago; unfortunately, like so many false and intentionally malicious rumors, they have the half-life of plutonium and just never die - particularly when there appears to be a never-ending supply of miscreants ready to reinvigorate them on threads like this.

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
Who cares? If you like the guy, want to hunt with him and have the $'s to do so, go ahead! If you don't like him, don't want to hunt with him, or don't have the $'s, then don't. Why can't we just leave it at that without trashing the guy.

If you think his style is more offensive than others to the anti's and therefore they are going to use it against us, you're kidding yourself. They don't care. To them, killing is killing and we will never be able to convince them that there is substance beyond that in hunting.

I base this statement on something I read a while back concerning anti's going afield with airhorns to scare the animals away from the areas where hunters were hunting. Illegal in most areas now but they still do it. The part of the article that got me was that the anti's made a "decision" that although "spooking" the animals was cruel, it was the better evil than being shot. Come on! Spooking the animals is cruel!! Folks, with an attitude like this that is so far removed from reality, what difference do you think they will recognize between MS's methods and CB's? It just doesn't matter to them as they are sold on the Disney version of nature.

Why not leave MS alone except to support him by hunting with him or buying his videos or likewise, witholding your $'s from hunting with him or buying his videos, depending on your own tastes or financial abilities. Honestly, he is only able to continue hunting and videoing in his style because enough people support him and his methods by paying for his services. If you feel strongly enough to take him to task, why not do it to his face instead of anonymously trashing him in cyberspace.

I'm sorry for the rant as everyone certainly has the right to speak his or her mind. But it just gets old after awhile.

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just how Dangerous was your Dangerous Game if they were 50 yards away

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
Who cares? If you like the guy, want to hunt with him and have the $'s to do so, go ahead! If you don't like him, don't want to hunt with him, or don't have the $'s, then don't. Why can't we just leave it at that without trashing the guy.

If you think his style is more offensive than others to the anti's and therefore they are going to use it against us, you're kidding yourself. They don't care. To them, killing is killing and we will never be able to convince them that there is substance beyond that in hunting.

I base this statement on something I read a while back concerning anti's going afield with airhorns to scare the animals away from the areas where hunters were hunting. Illegal in most areas now but they still do it. The part of the article that got me was that the anti's made a "decision" that although "spooking" the animals was cruel, it was the better evil than being shot. Come on! Spooking the animals is cruel!! Folks, with an attitude like this that is so far removed from reality, what difference do you think they will recognize between MS's methods and CB's? It just doesn't matter to them as they are sold on the Disney version of nature.

Why not leave MS alone except to support him by hunting with him or buying his videos or likewise, witholding your $'s from hunting with him or buying his videos, depending on your own tastes or financial abilities. Honestly, he is only able to continue hunting and videoing in his style because enough people support him and his methods by paying for his services. If you feel strongly enough to take him to task, why not do it to his face instead of anonymously trashing him in cyberspace.

I'm sorry for the rant as everyone certainly has the right to speak his or her mind. But it just gets old after awhile.