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Originally posted by Saeed:
People like him have no business running this orgenization!

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Thank you for this clarification.

My own look at it is very simple.

Captive lion hunting reduces the pressure on wild lions, and has no negative effects on them.

All animals on farms in South Africa are technically captive bred.

And if we give in to the antis on lions, they will start on something else.

Their attitude is NO HUNTING SHOULD BE ALLOWED!

So bowing to their pressure is not going to be very helpful to us.

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Originally posted by SAF:
I would like to post the most recent Press Release from Phasa . Unfortunately some people and Organizations jumped to conclusions without having relevant information. I hope this will help clear some unfound statements

PRESS RELEASE
For immediate release 26 May 2017
PROFESSIONAL HUNTERS SA
ON FALSE MEDIA REPORTS ON BURGER’S RESIGNATION

The unfounded, misleading, opportunistic, and inflated media reports that Stan Burger resigned as president of the Professional Hunters’ Association of South Africa (PHASA) earlier this week because he “reeled under the pressure of some captive-bred lion hunting supporters” are untrue.

“PHASA acknowledges that our members have different and strong opinions on how the association’s resolution on the hunting of captive-bred lions (CBL) should be implemented, and that this has caused conflict within the association. This is, however, not the only reason that led to Stan’s resignation on 23 May,” says newly elected PHASA president, Dries van Coller.

The conflict [referred to above] may have caused some of the challenges that both PHASA and Stan had to endure, address and overcome during the past six months, “but these challenges are not putting PHASA’s CBL resolution in jeopardy in any away. This resolution still stands,” adds van Coller.

Stan’s reasons and motivations for resigning are not meant for public scrutiny and debate as it has to do with the manner in which the association and its members were governed in the past few months, and ought to be governed in the future.

Both Stan and PHASA have agreed not to discuss these details in the press because these matters are internal and personal, and have nothing to do with the future of well-regulated, responsible and legal hunting in South Africa.

“With that said, I need to clearly state that contrary to the inflated media reports that we have witnessed this week, PHASA is not going to dissolve nor are we about to heed to any “demands” that are not in the best interest of our members or in violation of PHASA’s constitution,” notes van Coller.

“Stan is a valued member of PHASA and the executive committee wishes him all of the best,” says van Coller.

He adds that PHASA will continue to safeguard, facilitate and promote the future of legal and sustainable trophy hunting as part of responsible conservation. “It is every hunter’s duty to ensure that whatever we do benefits Africa’s wildlife and contributes to the social-economic wellbeing of our communities,” concludes van Coller.

Other changes in PHASA leadership include the reinstatement of Barry York as vice-president.

THE END
ISSUED BY THE PROFESSIONAL HUNTERS’ ASSOCIATION OF SOUTH AFRICA
MEDIA ENQUIRIES: media@phasa.co.za or +27 83 353 6811

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Originally posted by SAF:
Saeed

Currently we have 2 resolutions that we have to honour that was voted upon at 2015 and 2016 AGM.
2015 Resolution :
PHASA distances itself from all captive-bred lion breeding and hunting until such time as the South African Predator Association can convince PHASA and the International Union for Conservation of Nature that captive-bred lion hunting is beneficial to lion conservation.  

2016 Resolution:
By casting of a vote, the members voted for a Sub-committee of open minded individuals representing PHASA, SAPA and any other interested parties to engage in communication to find a workable and acceptable solution, IF ANY, for the lawful and acceptable utilization of captive bred lions. The outcome of these negotiations should be transparent, with regular feedback to the members.  Members would abide by the outcome.

We currently have that set up and had our second meeting of the year with SAPA . This is the South African Predator Association. Both parties are totally committed to find a solution !

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Originally posted by SAF:
PHASA has to uphold both Resolutions untill such time as the members change these at the AGM .

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Originally posted by Jaco Human:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Thank you for this clarification.

My own look at it is very simple.

Captive lion hunting reduces the pressure on wild lions, and has no negative effects on them.

All animals on farms in South Africa are technically captive bred.

And if we give in to the antis on lions, they will start on something else.

Their attitude is NO HUNTING SHOULD BE ALLOWED!

So bowing to their pressure is not going to be very helpful to us.

There is a massive difference between a Lion cub that was born,taken away from the mother, raised by humans at a petting facility and once it is to big, returned to the farm to live in a small enclosure, fed by humans and eventually drugged and transported to another place where he will be shot.

Compare the above with an animal in a large fenced area where they breed and fend for themselves without human intervention and then eventually some of them are hunted.

There is no comparison.

It serves no purpose to give the antis reason to hammer us. It is time we clean up our act and make sure that others do not do it for us.

I agree that the antis will stop at nothing, they have it against all hunting. Cleaning up our actions got nothing to do with them, it is more about the general public who is the biggest crowd, we must be able to clearly present to them that we do hunting in a sustainable ethical way and through that we create money that can be used for conservation. Captive bred Lions do not save the wild Lions. There are quotas for wild Lions and they are much more expensive and success is not guaranteed. Captive bred Lions is more about greed from both sides.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

Carry on leading with our chin. Give in ammunition to our enemies.

Little by little, and we won't have anything to hunt anymore.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
How much actual hunting is done with farm raised animals?

How much hunting is done with put and take animals?

How much hunting is done pen raised elk in America?

How much hunting is done with pheasants raised and released to be shot?

Carry on. Give in to our enemies.

Little by little, and we won't have anything to hunt anymore.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Thank you for this clarification.

My own look at it is very simple.

Captive lion hunting reduces the pressure on wild lions, and has no negative effects on them.

All animals on farms in South Africa are technically captive bred.

And if we give in to the antis on lions, they will start on something else.

Their attitude is NO HUNTING SHOULD BE ALLOWED!

So bowing to their pressure is not going to be very helpful to us.

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Originally posted by Kathi:
http://citizen.co.za/news/news...on-hunting-still-no/



Captive lion hunting still a no

Amanda Watson


President Stan Burger resigned and it was followed by the appointment of a new president, Dries van Coller.

The Professional Hunters Association of South Africa’s (Phasa) condemnation of the hunting of captive-bred lions will not change along with its recent change in leadership.

Phasa’s statement followed the resignation of its president Stan Burger and the appointment of new president, Dries van Coller.

“The resolution is not under threat at all and stays in place,” Phasa spokesperson Retha van Reenen said yesterday.

PHASA’s 2015 resolution on the hunting of captive bred lions stated it distanced “itself from all captive-bred lion hunting and breeding until such time as the South African Predators Association (SAPA) can convince PHASA and the International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN) that captive-bred lion hunting is beneficial to lion conservation.”

In 2016, Phasa made another resolution that a sub-committee representing PHASA, SAPA and any other interested parties must find “a workable and acceptable solution, if any, for the lawful and acceptable utilisation of captive-bred lions.”

Van Reenen said Phasa, Sapa, the Limpopo Hunters Liaison Forum and the Department of Environmental Affairs were investigating possible solutions, as well as possibly revising existing norms and standards of the hunting of captive bred lions to improve the regulation of wild, wild managed and captive-bred lion hunting in South Africa.

“This is a work in progress. Nothing has been decided yet, but Phasa is adamant whatever is decided upon, must ultimately benefit the African lion and be in line with the aims and objectives of Phasa,” said Van Reenen.

Drew Abrahamson, founder of Captured in Africa, said canned hunting was a commercial industry which should be banned.

“It is this industry which has seen an increase in a need for genuine sanctuary homes for lions. This year we’ve relocated 7 lions, of which one was from a breeding farm and two were from Pretoria Zoo as the lion didn’t want to hunt,” said Abrahamson.

“I have two waiting at a wildlife vet which are embroiled in a court case and there’s been a few wild lion cases too.”

“Lion cubs hold a particular fascination for tourists and volunteers, who pay good money to pet, play, walk and care for them under the assumption that it is part of conservation efforts for lions or other big cats. In fact, what tourists and volunteers are really doing is taming these lions ready for a trophy collector in what is known as a captive lion hunt, aka canned hunting,” Abrahamson said.

Phasa ceo Tharia Unwin noted the DEA was also revising its biodiversity management plan for lion.

“Both Phasa and Sapa are part of the discussions with DEA, where we are going to look at release periods and size of area,” said Unwin.

According to Sapa, “… a hunting area of 1 000 hectares is considered as the smallest patch of real estate on which a lion should be hunted. Fixing a release period, i.e. the length of time in which the lion should be left to its own devices in the hunting area before it is considered to be something other than a canned animal, is proving more contentious. Currently this period is regulated by the respective provinces and stretches from four days in the Northwest to 90 days in the Free State.”

Unwin said research will be done through the Nelson Mandela Metropolitan University which would then be given to DEA to assist in setting up the new norms and standards for lion.

“Then if it’s implemented on government level then there is no reason why the rogue elements cannot be controlled. Because it’s the rogue elements which our giving our country such a bad name as far as this is concerned.

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According to Sapa, “… a hunting area of 1 000 hectares is considered as the smallest patch of real estate on which a lion should be hunted.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Why should SCI even consider anything hunted in an enclosure as a hunting trophy??

I would create a new category FARM BRED ANIMALS for anything hunted on farm. Regardless of it size.

Putting them altogether just dilutes the ones which were hunted in the wild.

Chalk and cheese.

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Originally posted by talentrec:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Why should SCI even consider anything hunted in an enclosure as a hunting trophy??

I would create a new category FARM BRED ANIMALS for anything hunted on farm. Regardless of it size.

Putting them altogether just dilutes the ones which were hunted in the wild.

Chalk and cheese.

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