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To add to the constant "enogh gun" arguments!

There was a booth at the DSC convention promoting green hunting.

There was a segment playing at the booth on hunting DG with a spear.

Apparently, they apply the seditive by spear. I watched a short segment at the booth where a guy chucked a spear into a relatively agitated elephant.

Not my cup of tea, but interesting to see, to say the least!
 
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I saw the same video (I was told that they applied poison to the spear tip, not a sedative), and the guy's first spear hit the elephant in the arse as it ran away (I was hoping the elephant would charge him instead of running).

Then, they showed the elephant down (but still breathing) with two spears in its heart. shame

IMO, if the guy wanted to kill an elephant with a spear in a 'traditional African manner', he should do so without the benefit of rifle backup. I disapprove mightily of crap like this. thumbdown

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I saw the same video (I was told that they applied poison to the spear tip, not a sedative), and the guy's first spear hit the elephant in the arse as it ran away (I was hoping the elephant would charge him instead of running).

Then, they showed the elephant down (but still breathing) with two spears in its heart. shame

IMO, if the guy wanted to kill an elephant with a spear in a 'traditional African manner', he should do so without the benefit of rifle backup. I disapprove mightily of crap like this. thumbdown

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And they call this "hunting"??


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Forgive my ignorance, but what does "DG" stand for?

I wonder if the poison makes the meat inedible????


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Forgive my ignorance, but what does "DG" stand for?

I wonder if the poison makes the meat inedible????


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I am probably wrong, as I just assumed as it was a green hunting booth. I didn't chat with the guys.
 
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Was that the booth that was promoting the 45-70?


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I wonder if the poison makes the meat inedible????


stagman,
If they used the same poison that 'Bushmen' use, no, it does not affect the meat. If I remember correctly, saliva and/or gastric juices break it down.

Curare works the same way; it is deadly if it is introduced directly into the bloodstream, but it can be ingested (assuming you have no sores or ulcers in your mouth, esophagus, or stomach).

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I am probably wrong, as I just assumed as it was a green hunting booth. I didn't chat with the guys.


mm29,
The video I saw excerpted clearly showed the elephant bleeding to death with two spears protruding from its side. We may be referring to two different videos.

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i sure hope they were dress in a loincloth too. gotta be original you know
 
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what about spearing warthog or lesser antilopes? i've seen videoes hunting boar with spear. they made a quick kill, mabe not quick as a brenneke or slug,but rather quick kill.
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thumbdown Here we go with another pisserscontest! Roll Eyes


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At SCI I saw a video where people were getting in the water with Marlin and spearfishing them. I wonder how many clients have gotten skewered by the Marlin's "spear"
 
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Why is it ok to shoot an animal with a rifle but not penetrate one with a spear?

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The elephant in question was put down with a gun shot up the arse (off camera-- this from the owner of the booth)

On another subject, the adjacent booth was showing video of deer shot with 50 BMGs from a distance of over one mile, WITH TRACER ROUNDS! Talk about a PETA moment....!
 
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What happens if you nick yourself with the poison spear???

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The Poison was on the shaft in several pods covered with a rubber balloon. The Idea is that as the shaft penetrates the balloon is pulled back releasing the "posion" into the blood stream. Bowhunters in Missippi or Louisana wewre allowed to use them fopr a while.
The elephant was actually finally killed with a rifle is a fairly close frontal charge.


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I have an account of ancient elephant hunting with spears and axes by the "Ethiopians".

So if it could be done then, why not now?

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Diodorus, basing himself, as so often, on Agarthachides, writes of what he calls the "Ethiopians known as Elephant-fighters"
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For as the beast in its wandering comes near the tree in which the watcher happens to be hidden, the moment it is passing the spot he seizes its tail with his hands and plants his feet against its left flank; he has hanging from his shoulders an axe, light enough so that a blow may be struck with one hand and yet exceedingly sharp, and seizing this in his right he hamstrings the elephant's right leg, raining blows upon it and maintaining the position of his body with his left hand. And they bring an astonishing swiftness to bear upon this task, since there is a contest between the two of them for their very lives; for all that is left to the hunter is either to get the better of the animal, or die himself, the situation not admitting any other conclusion, as for the beast which has been hamstrung, sometimes being unable to turn about because it is hard for it to move and sinking down on the place where it has been hurt, it falls on the ground and causes the death of the Ethiopian along with his own, and sometimes squeezing the man against a rock or tree it crushes him with its weight until it has killed him. In some cases, however, the elephant in the extremity of its suffering is far from thinking of turning on its attacker, but flees across the plain until the man who has set his feet upon it, striking on the same place with his axe, has severed the tendons and paralysed the beast. And as soon as the beast has fallen they run together in companies, and cutting the flesh off the hind-quarters of the elephant while it is alive they hold a feast".



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Diodorus, basing himself, as so often, on Agarthachides, writes of what he calls the "Ethiopians known as Elephant-fighters"
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For as the beast in its wandering comes near the tree in which the watcher happens to be hidden, the moment it is passing the spot he seizes its tail with his hands and plants his feet against its left flank; he has hanging from his shoulders an axe, light enough so that a blow may be struck with one hand and yet exceedingly sharp, and seizing this in his right he hamstrings the elephant's right leg, raining blows upon it and maintaining the position of his body with his left hand. And they bring an astonishing swiftness to bear upon this task, since there is a contest between the two of them for their very lives; for all that is left to the hunter is either to get the better of the animal, or die himself, the situation not admitting any other conclusion, as for the beast which has been hamstrung, sometimes being unable to turn about because it is hard for it to move and sinking down on the place where it has been hurt, it falls on the ground and causes the death of the Ethiopian along with his own, and sometimes squeezing the man against a rock or tree it crushes him with its weight until it has killed him. In some cases, however, the elephant in the extremity of its suffering is far from thinking of turning on its attacker, but flees across the plain until the man who has set his feet upon it, striking on the same place with his axe, has severed the tendons and paralysed the beast. And as soon as the beast has fallen they run together in companies, and cutting the flesh off the hind-quarters of the elephant while it is alive they hold a feast".




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The deer at a mile with the 50 is just what we don't need. They were shooting tracers the first hit was in the hip or gut and took one or two more to land a killing shot (while the deer was flopping all over). I can see the peta adds "hunter shoots deer with flameing red hot bullets". The anti gun groups would love it also.
Lethal shot at a mile ,enough to make most of the liberals shake in their boot, if they hold public office.

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The elephant spearing video was pathetic. Might as well have drugged it with a dart in the butt, then shot it with a rifle when it could hardly move. Awful stuff that should not be publicized. The proud "spear hunter" in this case holds his birdy finger aloft to the public, signifying the number of digits in his IQ.

I fled that booth and did not want to look around for the deer hunting gore.

Mr. Birdy Finger did have a Barrett bolt action repeater for sale for $2000, cheap for such a 50BMG with "about 2000" rounds down the barrel???
 
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Outside of the video (which I have not seen).. It is ok, for a rifle hunter to put 2 or 3 insurance rounds into an animal, but 2-3 spear into the animal is any different?

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GTR,
You miss the point entirely. San Bushmen are entitled to use curare or whatever on their arrows, for survival.

A "sport" hunter with flimsy little poison javelins who sets out to stick an elephant in the rump to sicken it for the kill, by his backup rifleman ... intentional harassment and slow death for fun??? Mad

The pair of insurance spears in the heart were just to bleed the elephant internally after it was down, what?

No comparison to Ethiopian axe hunting at all.
 
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No comparison to Ethiopian axe hunting at all.


I believe some peoples of Northern African also emplyed wide bladed flat spears also designed to cut the achilles tendons of elephants.
 
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FWIW, I have discussed hunting with quite a lot of Bushmen, and recall several telling me that it usually took a week for a giraffe to die when it had been hit with their poison arrows.

Smaller animals died faster (but not what we would call fast, as it could still take a day or two for an antilope). I can only imagine how long it would take an elephant to die with the same poison. Frowner
 
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In the 1920s there was a gent in South America who hunted jaguar with a spear and got quite a lot of publicity, his name was vaguely Russian or Yugoslav as best I can recall. There may have been a book about him.
 
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Sasha Seimel, in the Matto Grosso in Brazil. Checked it under "spear jaguar hunt" on Google.
 
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I might be wrong, but I think Capstick described taking a buff with a spear in one of his books.
 
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I might be wrong, but I think Capstick described taking a buff with a spear in one of his books.


I think that buffalo was close to death already. Anyway, as so much of Capsticks writings, he lets his imagination run quite a bit without regards to real facts.

My own objection to this sort of thing is because it is done as stunt, not a hunt.

I know, I have also been in arguments about people talking about any of us hunting dangerous game with a PH standing next to us with his rifle as back up.

The difference is I have no problem going on my own and shooting any dangerous game I fancy with the same rifle I use when hunting with a PH.

Let us see those who wish to hunt an elephant with a spear do that on their own.


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I saw a lion hunt with spears on TV a few months back.This was an old film shot by a couple maybe 60 or so years ago.The african tribe hunters formed some circle or pattern and advanced towards the lions.One large lion was confused in the chaos meanwhile being speared by every hunter he passed by.There was alot of action there.The lion was getting tired and then speared so much more.The show also had the pretty wife shooting a rhino in the tall grass in the head with a double rifle.I can't remember the name of the couple.The husband later died in a plane crash.I think kodak was involved in this,sponsering them or something like that.This guy had a film developing laboratory built on site and filme all the hunting and adventures and had them sent back to the states.There were tons of animals collected for taxidermy and I believe that are on display somewhere.If you are into african hunting this show will blow your mind.If anyone saw this please let everyone know the name of the couple or how they can get a video of this.
 
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shootaway, Martin and Osa Johnson. Dunno about the video. You might check google.
 
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Apparently the movies are available, try "video Martin and Osa Johnson" on google. They had a couple of wonderful Sikorski amphibians painted in zebra stripes or leopard spots, I forget which. She was apparently a really good shot and also very good looking.
 
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Thanks vigillinus.
 
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IMHO, If somebody choses to spear hunt elephants and cape buffalos, they should be welcomed, provided they do it without the luxory of the protection from a rifle.Let the animal have the chance to have a go at the hunter.Otherwise it is unnecessary suffering for the animal and absolutely hypocrytic on part of the hunter as he is not really in the danger that he/she is seeking.But, I never hunted Africa, not yet.-Locksley,R.


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Hey vigillinus,I checked out the site,I feel like buying those casettes but budget and time does not allow.Osa says she married adventure,I say I am making adventure!That's right here in canada hunting caribou.Canada is the only unspoiled wilderness in the world today.Today I'll chose Canada over africa,at least for my hard earned dollar.I may take a trip to Africa to break the monotony and show my future children a bit of the wild world.Thanks again for the info.
 
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