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Yesterday I met a very lucky man. He's going on his FIRST SAFARI. Unfortunately, his favorite rifle is a well used Ruger Mini-14 in .243. I understand it is legal in Zim, but he's flying through Jo-berg. Does anyone have a link to the specific regs so he can make sure he complies AND take a copy in his carry on? He's a good candidate for the Firearms Assistance services that are springing up. thanks, Safe Hunting, Clint | ||
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Before the firestorm begins, this is not his "only rifle" on this safari, but it is his favorite. Safe Hunting, Clint | |||
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.243 or .223? | |||
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I thought Mini's only came in .223, mini 30's are 7.62x39. Tell him to use a bolt gun, life will be so much simpler. A semi is fine in the US, don't bring one to Africa though. To much crap to go through leaving the country and coming back in. Mink and Wall Tents don't go together. Especially when you are sleeping in the Wall Tent. DRSS .470 & .500 | |||
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I had the same thought, but he mentioned .243, and had one of the rounds in his pocket when I asked what rifles he was planning to take. Had I ever seen a .243 or .308 Mini-14, I'd have snapped it up immediately. I know there have been those who rebarreled and beefed up the springs. The issue however is getting it to Zim as a semi-auto. The ammo is irrelevent. Safe Hunting Clint | |||
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sierrabravo45, do you have the regulations involved. His primary rifle is an A-bolt in 300 WSM. He knows the semi will be a headache. However, it's worth it if possible. Please no posts on the A-bolt or 300 WSM. Let's keep this ON TOPIC: DO YOU HAVE INFORMATION ON GETTING A SEMI INTO ZIM? Safe Hunting, Clint | |||
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What is he planning to hunt? "It's worth it if possible".....I fail to understand why people want to push the envelope, or even be perceived of potentially running afoul of the law. I for one want no part of having my weapons confinscated or even worse seeing the inside of an African jail. May seem rather draconian to some/most, but "It's NOT worth it to me"!! With regard to the A-Bolt 300WSM...go for it! That is what I took (along with a 375) to RSA. | |||
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i won't swear by it but I don't think he can do either take it out or bring it in. couple days ago there was quite a discussion on taking semi autos out - see terry carrs posts on it | |||
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bwanahile: I think I had the same puzzlement as you may have. Why a 243 at all? ( Maybe on a dik-dik? Rather specialized hunting in Africa!) I heard at an early age (and believe in) the idea that you should be fully familiar with and totally comfortable with your rifle (I used a 375 H&H on Cape buffalo at about 35 yards on my one and only trip) but it is ridiculous to suggest a caliber (like the 243) to use in Africa that was invented because so many "trigger pullers" were so terrified of recoil in the USA. Most never were trained in military service where they could find out that the rifle ( in a much bigger caliber) really, wouldn't hurt them - or more important - they never grew up in a place where they could learn how to shoot naturally. Too bad. I wouldn't have wanted to shoot a big warthog with a 243! | |||
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Is he seriously thinking about using the Mini-14 for hunting. They are very inaccurate. Hope he plans on getting close. Cory Still saving up for a .500NE double rifle(Searcy of course) | |||
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I have been given the once over on two seperate occasions in Zim by what I believe were Zim CID people. I suspected they were looking for foreign govrermnent trouble makers. I think a semi-auto in a militery caliber would only add to their suspicion. So I wouldn't take it. 465H&H | |||
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I do know semi-auto weapons are against the law in South Africa. I don't think they would let you import it in even if you were just passing through. If you had baggage "misplaced" it could be even a larger hassle. Plus if you were staying an extra day. You have enough things to worry about without a rifle. Tell him to do not take it. The .243 is fine on Duiker, and Springbok, but to use it for Gemsbock and Kudu, it is way to light. Choose a .30 Caliber like the 300 WSM you mentioned and you will be fine. Tell him to choose the Browning as his "new" favorite rifle and take that. Mink and Wall Tents don't go together. Especially when you are sleeping in the Wall Tent. DRSS .470 & .500 | |||
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Mini-14's are usually not the most accurate rifles but will shoot a minute of impala at 150 yards. I would want to be close because I would not want to shoot a .243 at anything larger than an impala and would probably keep that under 100 yards. I have never been a fan of 6mm bullets on big game. I hunt, not to kill, but in order not to have played golf.... DRSS | |||
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\ Your imaginary friend should contact his imaginary outfitter and get the regulations in advance of taking his imaginary rifle on his imaginary safari. George | |||
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I think you nailed it. | |||
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Getting a Mini-14 in .243 would require a lot of fabrication... much like the original post. | |||
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Funniest. Post. Ever. | |||
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"Leave that trolling rod alone!", said the Captain. Looks like trash fish to me. ______________________ Hunting: I'd kill to participate. | |||
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Saeed, I hope you will take a look at this thread, and the wonderful benefit it provides to new members of our hunting fraternity. The specific reason I did not send a first timer here to post was the flaming that has become the rule. When I first started posting on the old AR site, you could ask a question without ridicule. Now I see one of YOUR MODERATORS, George S. is the chief instigator. Pretty sad when a Metro New Yorker uses his "imaginary" knowledge to make snyde remarks to a ligitimate inquiry. Yet does he offer any real information, does he inform or provide ANY REAL BENEFIT for the air he is breathing... nope. Well George, let me tell you a little about the South. It still contains tracts of land larger than your Central Park, and most are in private hands. When you own one of these, it is common practice to have a light, short rifle within reach while driving around your property. All manner of pests from feral dogs, hogs, cats and more recently, coyotes will present as "targets of opportunity". The Mini-14 fits the bill nicely (Have you ever really seen one George?)The 243 is a very popular round because it is the largest caliber for which you will find highly frangible bullets in every corner store. The calibers including and above 270 are usually loaded with hunting bullets, and those are more prone to riccochet. Hunting bullets will easily carry over a mile after deflecting off ground. Dispatching animals up to and including deer is quite easy with properly placed shots (usually in the head); yes, even with these frangible bullets. When you've lived in the country (not Metro NYC) for any length of time, you know these things. Next time you're in Africa, take in a gunshop and notice the selection of 243 ammo. Hmmm maybe they're more like us Southern folk than you New Yorkers. You know what George, you're really beginning to sound like some of the equally useless members of a SCI Board I sat on. All talk and no work. They try to elevate their experience with bravado and flashy accoutrements, instead of shoe leather and time afield. George it sounded like you're inferring that I'm asking about myself. Well, I'm a Southpaw (that's left hander), and most semiautos fling the occasional bit of unburnt powder or debris onto my faces. Rarely painful, it is quite distracting. My favorite rifle is not a 243, but a 300 Jarrett built on a M700 LH Mag Action over a decade ago. Since it's barrel is pretty shot out, I've fallen quite hard for a M70 Jim Brockman slicked up for a Gunsite class a few years back. I'm not going to Africa this year, and next year's trip is Red Stag in Argentina. Until then I'll take in another shooting class with Randy Cain, and whack a few dozen more hogs and or deer during our state's unlimited five month season. Now about the caliber. He said 243, and I'm pretty sure that's what the shell in his hand was. We're a little more trusting down here than you Metro NYC types. But the caliber isn't germain to the question: DO YOU HAVE INFORMATION ON GETTING A SEMI INTO ZIM? Now, that's about enough time for you George. Saeed, I somewhat regret responding in such a tone on your once fine site, but this George S. is listed as a moderator, and he needs to either moderate or SHUT UP. I've been posting on this and your earlier forums since the late 90's. If you still have the data from the old site, you can look up all my posts under Clint, Southpaw or Member199, other than a sharp response or so to the Crumudgeon (Ray), I've never belittled anyone. However, this site has become so petty, I rarely ever log in anymore. If as suggested years ago, you create a "invitation only" site for those who don't have the need to inflate their egos, please let me know. Othewise, thanks for what you started, and good luck getting it back. You've got some serious culling to do. Safe Hunting, Clint | |||
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So, Clint, can we assume you'll be leaving us, voluntarily this time? George | |||
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Clint, Did you honestly expect anything else for posting what you did? A Mini-14 in 243 for hunting African big game? | |||
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Follow Up: Probably because I post under my real name and my home office number is on my website link... Clint (Member199) gave me a call this evening. We had a nice civilized discussion. He is quite a gentleman and I need to apologize (not that he asked for it) for my doubt and wise acre comment on the legitimacy of this post. While the circumstance seems ludicrous and I still doubt the reality of his new friend's Mini-14 being chambered in .243... I can confirm that his interest and request for information were genuine. Kyler | |||
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I hate to say, but I also had a Ruger semi-auto in 243, but they are not mini14s. Rather, it looked like one, but was called a XGS [?]. It kills me but I cannot remember the actual model number. I will find it. They looked like mini 14s but they were based off of the Garand action, made to the 308 class cartridges. They were a flop, but mine shot excellent. I just do not like the 243. | |||
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I hunted with Rosslyn Safaris a couple times back in the good old days in Zim. The weapon of choice used by their game scouts for culling up to and including Kudu was a Ruger bolt gun in 223. I believe that many PHs favor the 243 for culling. Accurate and flat shooting. I hate to confess this but I've used my Phs 22 hornet shooting impala and wart hog for leopard bait when we were trying to minimize noise in the area we were to hunt. All one shot kills with a careful shot. I agree not the best option but if it's his favorite why not. | |||
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The old round nose FMJ loads worked great on neck shots to break bones. | |||
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Not to prolong the agony but the Ruger was an XGI and was advertised but never marketed according to Fjestad. Doesn't mean there aren't some around. I looked for one for months when they announced them but could never find one. I thought they would be a fine rifle for the truck here in southern Arizona. 243 is quite popular in Zimbabwe I understand and I was told by a So.African PH if I came down for a Springbok cull hunt that was a commonly used cartridge. SCI Life Member NRA Patron Life Member DRSS | |||
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No George S my skin is waaay too thick to let this thread run me off. Once I wrapped up last night's response, I was feeling pretty lighthearted. I hope you didn't take all the jabs at you Yankee types personally. Obviously I inserted too much information in the original post... I should have merely said, "Does anyone have information on the regs regarding bringing firearms into Zim." Next time I comment on a particular rifle I'll be sure to get the serial number, engraver's name, country of origin for the wood, etc. George, if you're ever near South Carolina, send me a PM, and we'll go have a laugh. If you're here long enough, we can chase a hog or whwatever's in season. Just bring your own gun unless you're a leftie. So I brought this on myself eh? Well, if that's the way you look at it, but the original question was and still is pretty clear. Is there anyone out there who has any useful information? Mark, if you read this, you can drop in on the "new friend". I met him right after dropping you and Matt off. His office is first on the right when you turn off 321 onto Hwy 3. He'd probably enjoy a chat re: Africa. Safe hunting, Clint | |||
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Clint, Terry Carr has posted info about travelling with firearms here: https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6321043/m/817106802 It includes a link to the PHASA website. Perhaps the PHASA folks can email a copy of the regulations to you. | |||
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500grains, Thanks for the link to T.Carr's post. I'd already seen that and the suggestion to "carry a copy of the rules" in your carryon is why I was inquiring originally. However, it's all for naught now. I just spoke to the friend, and the possibility of trouble in Jo-berg was what really tripped him up. If not for that, he would have tried a little harder. He's taking another rifle to go with his new 300 WSM. It's a Rossi 22 pump... just kidding. Safe Hunting Clint | |||
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I guess I should have kept the Ruger XGI 243 is they were never really marketed. Interesting rifle. It is really a mini Garand M1, not a bigger Mini-14. I did not have the accuracy problems to my memory. | |||
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