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http://www.washingtonpost.com/...IQA7vfpVS_story.html Zimbabwe probes hunting trip by Trump brothers that has enraged animal protection groups By Associated Press, Updated: Friday, March 23, 10:53 AM HARARE, Zimbabwe — Zimbabwean conservationists said Friday they are investigating the legality of a hunting spree in the country by the heirs to U.S. magnate Donald Trump’s fortune after photos showed up online of the brothers posing with dead game animals. The independent Zimbabwe Conservation Task Force said that Trump’s sons Donald Jr. and Eric killed an elephant, an endangered leopard, a buffalo, a crocodile and other “big game” animals on a 2011 trip arranged by a South African safari firm that is not registered in Zimbabwe. Photographs of the brothers — one with the slain leopard and another showing one brother holding up an elephant’s severed tail in one hand and a knife in the other — have been were withdrawn from at least one website after a flurry of protests. Animal protection groups were outraged how “rich people” had boasted about their “shocking and unethical” behavior, the trust said. Johnny Rodrigues, the head of the conservationists’ alliance, said investigators are sifting through records on whether license and trophy fees were paid and if the South African firm had been cleared by Zimbabwe wildlife authorities to operate in the northwestern province near Victoria Falls. Safari trips routinely require supervision by Zimbabwean rangers and licensed local hunters. If they are found to have breached hunting laws, organizers and hunters can face imprisonment or a fine of up to $500,000, Rodrigues said. “The safari operator was obviously paid but the majority of the money probably didn’t come into Zimbabwe,” he said. Claims by the Trump brothers they gave the meat from dead animals to impoverished local villagers were also being checked. There are no villages in the northwestern Matetsi district of Zimbabwe where they hunted. “It is an insult to say ‘we gave away the meat.’ They mustn’t turn around and say that they shot those animals for conservation either,” Rodrigues told The AP. “This is the problem with those who they think they can come to manipulate and control people, destroy natural resources and say ‘we came to help.’ We don’t want them here,” he said. The Trump brothers have said they were hunting last year in an area with an excess of elephants. In recent years Zimbabwe has not been able to cull elephants in districts where increasing herds are destroying the bush habitat that other species depend on. Veteran animal rights campaigner Meryl Harrison of the Veterinarians for Animal Welfare in Harare said she was “absolutely disgusted” by photographs of the brothers with animals they shot and the international publicity they’ve received. “You shoot an animal and you pose with the dead animal? Is it glorifying hunting? I think it is just sickening,” she said. “I just wonder what Donald Trump says, as he is against hunting.” Zimbabwe is further investigating reports that hunting dogs were used on last year’s trip. Harrison said Zimbabwe’s Wildlife Act of 2000 prohibits hunters from using dogs to hunt leopard or any wildlife unless given special authority in certain conditions. “A leopard doesn’t stand a chance. The dogs chase it up a tree and they stay at the bottom of the tree and the hunter takes an easy shot,” she said. Kathi kathi@wildtravel.net 708-425-3552 "The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only one page." | ||
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idiots everywhere.... Birmingham, Al | |||
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Oh for pity sakes... But it is OK to steal land from farmers and ranchers? ~Ann   | |||
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Will those same Zim officials come forward and issue a Public Statement once they find out everything was perfectly legal???? Wonder what the reaction would be if ALL foriegn hunters, boycotted hunting in Zim for a year or two? Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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Yeah and ok for our past president and ambassador to the united nations, to actively support and put in office a marxist-inspired guerrilla terrorist! | |||
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That idiot again. Pity Kathi uses sensational and incorrect titles such as "Zim investigates ...", sounds like the Zim Gov't instead of a couple fucking useless dickhead greenies always looking for media attention. Such as the above moron, Rodrigues. Every time he is in the media it is some stupid issue or comments, trying to grandstand. | |||
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Kathi just copied a link from the Washington post , so they have the facts screwed up. Dave Davenport Outfitters license HC22/2012EC Pro Hunters license PH74/2012EC www.leopardsvalley.co.za dave@leopardsvalley.co.za +27 42 24 61388 HUNT AFRICA WHILE YOU STILL CAN Follow us on FACEBOOK https://www.facebook.com/#!/leopardsvalley.safaris | |||
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Not hard to change a title on a forum thread. Zimbabwe is NOT investigating the Trump hunt. A couple of private dickheads are making media comments, not much more. Leave sensational titles to the Murdoch Group ... | |||
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You are correct, but with the media this is what we are up against. "Zim" is not probing anything, but that is what the press is reporting. Kathi is correct to post the story's titles. This is what the general public read, and they will believe the Zimbabwe government is investigating the Trumps. And the general public will believe(as many of the guys here on this forum love to spew): "Where there's smoke there's fire....." Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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Whenever I see Johnny Rodregues name, I know there is something fishy going on. | |||
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Yep! - As long as there's people posting random pics on public forums creating cannon fodder, there's shitheads and others like him that are going to give you some free publicity....and the hunters, who always and inevitably say they don't give a flying fantasy what the greenies or others think/say end up with counter arguments, boycotts, letters petitioning, etc. Educate them?...gotta be kidding....need to have brains to be educated! Hunting forums should in this day and age be restricted sites to bona-fide members who get properly vetted before being accepted - not a hunter?.....the site is not for you so get lost! (IMO) Even so it is not a guaranteed safeguard because in our midst there must be a few whose second name is Judas. | |||
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A teachable moment. If you're rich and famous or close kinship to such.......don't post pictures of yourself with dead animals you killed. Only nobodies can get away with that. The Zim government is just too sensitive to this stuff but not to their own politics. | |||
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Yours is an asinine comment. You must have missed the other hundreds of posts Kathi has made following this exact same format. Kathi is just passing forward articles she thinks we may be interested in, they being published in other forums. She is correct not to change the titles to suit anyone's liking, she's just sending them on as-is. Plus, I'm not sure Kathi is the type to re-cast a headline like this and change it to "A couple of private dickheads are making media comments..." Chill the hell out, and be thankful Kathi posted it here , else you'd probably not know about it. And...neither the Washington Post, nor AP is owned by Murdoch, quite to the contrary, but what is accuracy, aye? | |||
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Okay guys so here is the thing: The most surprising thing of this whole issue is that people are so shocked by the hunting as if they were not aware of the fact that trophy hunting takes place in Africa every day. Why is it not common knowledge?! In South Africa we(hunters) are certainly guilty of keeping a low profile but I thought that in in the USA hunting was much more "out there"?! Why aren't these people aware that hunting takes place and that it is a very valuable conservation tool? Here in South Africa and Mozambique we are very isolated from the issue but the media we do get is all condemning it. Why aren't there big hunting organizations like SCI and etc making media statements thanking the Trump boys for their contribution to conservation? Why did the ZHPGA - Zimbabwe Professional Hunters & Guides Association make a statement to affirm the legality and also congratulate the boys and thank them for their contribution to Zim and hunting / conservation in general? ......and maybe even ask them to please come again. Are we just going to sit around and get beaten until it dwindles away into the shadow of what the uninformed deem to be the next hot topic? Why are we like this? Why are we allowing organizations that we are members of to be like this? Staying under the radar is not the solution! This is a golden opportunity to go "out there" and educate people about hunting? We keep on preaching to the converted. Stay inside our comfort zones accepting a beating from the uninformed and ignorant out there. Maybe we are not sure of our convictions? I do not know what the problem is, but what I do know is that we are wrong in our approach! For the sake of our animals/conservation for the sake of our children and for the sake of our livelihoods, get out there and spread the word! If we want the animals to stay, hunting has to stay! If you are not a hunter.....why not? Are you not serious about conservation? | |||
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The mainstream press has a strong liberal bias here and hunting is a strong conservative hobby. Pro hunting stories or perspectives are suppressed by the media, and you only find hunting shows on cable tv and hunting stories will not be aired on public media. | |||
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Asinine reply and an idiotic PM aside, "Zim" is not investigating anything. I think hardly anyone with any knowledge would bother opening the thread if it said "Johnny Rodriguez is investigating the Trumps". As anyone with any knowledge knows he has not authority or any real standing. The same BS story appeared and stupid title appeared in the Murdoch press in Aust as well. Probably anything with the Trumps is seen as newsworthy by any stupid journalist. | |||
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Boyam I glad that I bought a new pair of the high muck boots. It sure is getting deep. Mike | |||
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SUNDAY TIMES SOUTH AFRICA March 25 2012 The Whipping Boy by Ben Trovato An Open Letter To Eric and Donald Trump Jnr Hey boys! Just wanted to congratulate you on your successful hunting trip to Zimbabwe. Our papers have been full of pictures of you guys holding up dead leopards in a pink mist of vapourised waterbuck. You’re real heroes in these parts, let me tell you. There has been a bit of criticism, but it’s coming mainly from white bunny-hugging do-gooders who think wild animals are there to be photographed instead of destroyed like the vermin they are. Bloody liberals. I see you managed to bag three of the Big Five. Well done! But what stopped you from going for a full house? You got the buffalo, elephant and leopard, but missed the rhino and lion. And you call yourselves Trumps? Just kidding. I’m sure it’s not your fault. I bet the organisers of the hunt failed to tether them securely and they escaped before you could drive up and shoot them in the face. Donald jnr, I particularly enjoyed the picture of you holding an elephant’s tail in one hand and a knife in the other. You can even see the legs of the elephant lying on the ground to prove that you got it off the animal and not from a curio shop. I bet you also cut off its trunk and poked it through your zipper and pretended you had a giant willy. I certainly would have. I liked the shot of you guys posing next to a crocodile strung up from a tree. It reminded me of those old pictures from your Deep South. Now that the darkies are off-limits, croc-lynching could be the next big thing in Alabama. Wanna be partners? You gun ‘em down, I string ‘em up. By the way, did you know that we also have a Small Five that are tremendous fun to kill? Meerkats are my best. If you’re quick, you can run up and kick them before they bolt for cover. Your brother, Eric, could have been waiting in an imaginary end zone to catch the flying ‘kat. Touchdown! American football, Africa style. What’s not to love? Another of my favourites is the tortoise. Hunting tortoises is usually done when you have a hangover. I’m sure you had lots of those on your trip because the only way to survive Africa is to drink heavily while firing blindly into the night. So what you do is set up your chair within shouting distance of a reliable servant – you don’t want to run out of Bloody Marys – and wait for a tortoise to come along. Put your foot on his back to stop him from getting away. This is where it gets tricky. He will have retracted himself, making a clean head shot impossible. Don’t shoot him in the shell if you plan on using him as a paper-weight. They shatter easily. Rather take a leaf out of your father’s book: cut off his lights and water and starve him out. You said the local villagers were overjoyed at getting the meat from your hunt. And why wouldn’t they be? Leopard carpaccio garnished with a sprinkling of civet cat and drizzled with crocodile jus doesn’t appear on the menu in the Matetsi area all that often. When I read that the hunt organisers were called Hunting Legends, I thought they were offering legends like President Robert Mugabe. Now there’s a trophy you should have on your wall. But I suppose he would put up too much of a fight. Not that you lads aren’t bok for a fight. Far from it. A kudu is a hell of an adversary. You were just fortunate to come across one that was drugged. To be honest, a lot of the game in southern Africa are on drugs these days. They also lack any real work ethic and spend most of the day sleeping. Smelly freeloaders. No wonder we kill them. You were also lucky to have survived shooting a tusker. Many elephants, particularly in Zimbabwe, are known to explode without warning and, even from a distance of 300 metres, you could easily have lost a leg. Or worse, had your hair messed up. Gel is hard to come by in the bush. I’m not much of a hunter myself, but I think I know why you boys enjoy it. For a start, Eric is a girl’s name and he has a lot to prove. And your name is Donald jnr, and yet it is Eric who looks more like your father. No wonder you’re angry. You said the money you paid for the hunt will be used to fund nature conservation in Zimbabwe. I presume by “fund nature conservation” you mean “arm Zanu-PF veterans”. That’s okay. We understand code in these parts. No names, no pack drill. My wife, Brenda, says you’re both latent homosexuals. As my Uncle Pervy used to say, “Better latent than never.” Anyway, you’ll be happy to know that I beat her soundly for her insolence. I must say, though, Eric, you do look pretty damn sexy with that leopard draped over your shoulders. It brings out your eyes. And Donald jnr, seeing you straddling that dead buffalo makes doggie style seem positively Christian. Y’all come back again! | |||
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Who was the outfitter & PH that the Trumps hunted with? "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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Would some one please explain what the Idiot that wrote this clap-trap is about. SSR | |||
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http://www.google.com/hostedne...cf478be01c69895b.131 Zimbabwe says Trump sons' hunt legal (AFP) – 4 hours ago HARARE — Zimbabwe's parks authority on Monday said US property magnate Donald Trump's sons were licensed to hunt game on a trip two years ago, after photos of their trophies sparked online outrage. Trump's sons Donald Junior and Eric made a hunting expedition in Zimbabwe in 2010. Their pictures went viral on social media this month, showing them posing next to carcasses of a leopard, an elephant, a crocodile and an array of other animals. The images drew condemnation on Facebook and Twitter, where their hunting trip was slammed as unethical. Donald Trump Jr has insisted on Twitter that he did nothing wrong. "They were accompanied by a professional hunter, and we have done a background check on him and his licence is still valid," Caroline Washaya-Moyo, spokeswoman for the parks authority said in a statement. "Also with the Trump brothers was a ranger from the parks department who was monitoring the hunt. The animals they hunted are available for hunting in Zimbabwe." Although leopards are endangered, she said they can be hunted under strict conditions set by the Convention for the Trade in Endangered Species. Zimbabwe's parks have a quota of 500 leopards that can be hunted each year, she added. The statement came after Johnny Rodriguez, chairman of the Zimbabwe Conservation Task Force, said his organisation was investigating whether the Trump brothers' hunt was legal. The trip was organised by Pretoria-based Hunting Legends International, which specialises in big game hunts for the wealthy. The company has also insisted that the big game hunt near Victoria Falls was done by the book. Kathi kathi@wildtravel.net 708-425-3552 "The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only one page." | |||
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That is amazing! Especially so when we have it on "good authority" that "Zim is not investigating anything." ____________________________________________ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett. | |||
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