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It seems that the thing to have for checking baits would be for someone to invent a wireless trailcam that can broadcast its pictures to a device connected to a laptop.

That way one could check bait before one sets out for the day (and even during the day) and save a lot of time.

Of course that type of tech is probably several years away...


To a large degree, that would probably work. At least to know if a bait was active.


...and you guys calling this hunting ?!


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They do have wireless trail cameras. The problem in Africa is being where there is cell service to get the pictures sent to you when they are taken.
 
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It seems that the thing to have for checking baits would be for someone to invent a wireless trailcam that can broadcast its pictures to a device connected to a laptop.

That way one could check bait before one sets out for the day (and even during the day) and save a lot of time.

Of course that type of tech is probably several years away...


To a large degree, that would probably work. At least to know if a bait was active.


...and you guys calling this hunting ?!


All he's suggesting one use it for is to check baits more easily/time saving, etc. As Larry Shores mentioned, he actually had a bait that was over 4 hrs from camp. I've seen baits so spread out, that if anything gets in the way, checking all of them in one day was impossible. Some areas are worse than others, but an un-covered bait, and lots of vulture activity can be a huge concern too! I've never seen any place as bad as Zambia. Let a bait that was hit by a cat, be even the slightest bit uncovered, don't get to it early, and it will be gone. Guaranteed, period, end of story. So getting to them early, and covering them back up if needed, is a huge concern. No bait, no cat! Bait is expensive, and can often not be replaced at all. So give me a way to make checking bait more efficient, and I'm all for it.

Checking bait, has nothing to do with hunting, or the time/effort/experience needed to do the baiting correctly. Its just checking bait!


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Reading this thread has been really interesting for me, informative too. Having been in the blind to witness 19 Lion/Leopard kills, the part I found most interesting was the length of time some have spent in blinds? Wow, talk about tiring!!

Certainly I have witnessed more time spent on
some cats than others, but some it seems have
spent more time in the blind, than anywhere
else? My personal experience, plus that shared
with a couple PH's I consider good cat hunters,
and the one guy I consider the best cat hunter
I know, is just the opposite.

If you've done it right, set-up everything right, and picked the right time to sit, the cat should come. Not always, but most of the time. Night, after night, after night, of sitting in the blind? Tells me the PH is doing something wrong. If you actually sat ALL-NIGHT and the cat didn't show, why would you sit in the same blind again the next night??? I think I've witnessed 6 Leopard kills, in 3 different countries. Only once did we sit more than one time to kill the leopard, and we got that one on the 2nd morning. On the one Leopard cluster
f**k I had in Masailand in 2004, without question the PH's lack
of experience/knowledge was solely responsible for our lack of
success. Not only did he want to put the blind way too close
to the bait (23 yards), but when the leopard did show, he
thought the best thing to do was to start talking to me???
Needless to say, the leopard was out of the tree in a big
hurry.

From what I've seen, most PH's put the blind too close to the bait, IMO. But, I can tell you they do so because most of them have little confidence in the shooting ability of us, the safari hunter. Had the PH mentioned above, put the blind at
the nice 80 yard mark I had picked out, the leopard surely would have been dead. Even with his annoying talking in the
blind, at 23 yards. Fact is, I've never sat in a blind with a
PH where we killed a cat, that we didn't whisper back and forth
when the cat arrived. But I've also never seen the necessity
for blinds 25 yards from the bait? Put the blind 50 - 80 yards
away, and watch your time in the blind deminish.

I would be interested to hear from the guys who sat in the same blind, all night, for more than a single night in a row? If you sat all night, and the cat never showed, why did the PH say you should sit again in the same blind, the very next night?
If he doesn't come the very first time you sit, chances of
getting that cat drop dramatically! Usually there's a good
reason why he didn't show.


You are right!

I have spent countless hours in the blind, but never all night and never in the same spot multiple times. The wind seemed to be the biggest factor in most setups. I have never set closer than 60 yds and in most cases the shot would be between 80-100yds.

I think the bait location and shooting distance go hand in hand. For example if the bait is hanging low and the leopard is feeding from the ground, I like to be closer(60-80yds). If the bait is elevated and the leopard has to get on a branch to eat and the branch/presentation is broadside I am comfortable at a greater distance.

The last leopard hunt I set in the blind for a total of 3 hours
and even with my limited experience I knew that I was going to
get him.

Checking baits is painful and time consuming anything that would make this easier and more efficient would be better for both the ph and the hunter. It wouldn't however make you more likely to suceed, it would just allow you to use/waste less bait.

JMO
I have only shot 2 leopards and the ph and trackers did most of the work. I just did what they told me, stayed awake and shot when they said shoot!
 
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Luck, location, and a good PH make all the difference. I've been pretty lucky so far. Two Leopard hunts and two Leopards!

First was in Tuli area of Zim where it was legal for night hunting. Prebaited with 1 Zebra. 4 baits. Shot one more Zebra once I arrived and 8 Impala. Got a hit on night 2. Shot my Leopard on night 5.

Just got back from Makuti in Zim last month where it is daylight hunting only. Had 11 baits spread over 96 kilometers. At noon on day 12, with only 1 additional bait to check, we had no shootable cats feeding (a few females and one small male). That last bait, checked at about 3:00pm produced a large male on the 13th morning right at first shooting light. I owe that success to my PH, Rich Tabor. I was having a hard time not giving up but he pressed on, hanging the last new bait on the 12th morning. Your never know when or if it will happen.

Easier said than done, but just focus on having a good time and let the chips fall where they may; assuming you have a good location and PH. You can't do anything about the luck factor.

Here is a link to my hunt report on the second cat.


http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7361056751
 
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Intereesting thread...I won't claim any great insite, on the subject , however, was successful on the thenth day of my second attempt. But NOT without a lot of effort, the success was in the Selous, several active baits, but only one consistant male as attested too from digital trail cams...trouble was the Tom was smart, he was photographed repeatedly within 30 minutes of us checking the bait. We tried tricking him in many different ways, but were finally successful when we were dropped off in the early morning, set ALL day in the blind in the heat and called the truck in for a cold drink and snack in the afternoon, he apparrently thought we all loaded into the truck, not long after the truck was out of sight for the third time he came straight away for the bait. We were a little close 33 yds, but the blind was in the best location given the bait tree that was selected. My PH whispered final instructions, but the cat had no clue, I do remember him staring intently at the blind when I got on the rifle, amazing how he picked up the slightest movement, but was clueless as he died at the base of the tree. The Leopard had been repeatedly observed in the last season arrogantly strolling along the dry river behind our bait site, my impression; it was his day to die, and my day to get "lucky", after days of baiting, checking bait and deciding how to out smart this beast. An effort well worth the time. Compared to my first experience, 14 days of baiting, checking baits, setting one afternoon/evening in our blind, only to witness "hear" our quarry successfully harvest a baboon on his way to our bait site, wild, interesting but dissappointing.... I feel very fortunate to have had what success i have had, and enjoy thoughts of my next attempt.
 
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Just one more thought on Leopard hunting. It is truly amazing to me how much work, effort, and resources go into a cat hunt. Without a good PH and his crew, it won't happen.
 
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I just returned from another unsuccessful leopard hunt (Omay). The PH was very knowledgeable and hard working but in my view the organisational problems have been to a large degree responsible for the unsucessful outcome of the hunt. Pre-baiting has not been arranged so I had to start from scratch on day one. Further, I was not allowed to use parts of the animals in the fridge shot by the hunter before me. As there was not much plains game in the area and as it was not possible to use baiting alternatives I had to shoot a buffalo cow in order to get things started- on day 3 or 4 of the safari. Lessons learned: next time I will ask a lot of questions before I book and I can only recommend not to take anything for granted, and you should have it fixed on paper. I myself was a bit naive, I have hunted a lot of times in Africa and especially Zimbabwe with different quality outfits so I assumed a certain level of service for granted which simply was not available. Leopard hunting is very demanding and takes a lot of time and money, so try to set up the services as much as you can.
 
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