Those bullet's look .WAY.. to good for Ray..Dammm..

who ever made them up knew what thay were doing and i LOVE the cup.. i could do with out the ring's on it but over all it's on very.!! nice looking bullet..
Are those's pre cut's on the top outside of the bullet's ? or just reflection's of light..
And are thay lead cored it kinda looik's that way ?

Damm there just toooo nice for Ray....

Kev,
Mike brady must have tested them in book binding glue blocks.
He said the SP (Soft Point) is a "3"
the CP (Cup Point) is a "7"
and the FP (Flat Point) is a "10"
on his relative penetration scale.

I have some of the CP and FP solids in .423/380gr as well as some .423/380grSP and .423/340grSP to try in water buckets.

I can vouch for the .423/380gr SP as a one shot killer of a 1300 pound 3 year old bull bison.

I can also vouch for the .423/380grFP penetrating about 9'4" of water and 17 lids and bottoms of 5-gallon nylon buckets filled with that water. 8-plus water buckets end-to-end.

I would like to see how a Cup point opens up in water buckets.

The CUP point might be a cross between a soft and solid. Heck it is really a hollowpoint soft that thinks it is a solid.

If it effectively makes a disc profile leading edge, it might be the "super-pentrator" in water.

Martin,

Until someone else gets back to you (Andre', Ray, Mike) I think I can safely say there are no pre-cuts on the Cups. That is just shadows due to the edges getting a bit dinged up when shipped loose in a baggie as samples instead of packed and sealed in the styrofoam tray, plastic shrink wrap and cardboard box that each 50 count usually comes in.



Also, there is no lead in any of the Cup Point or Flat Point solids. They are monometal copper.



BTW, I wish the "bands" on the solids were more like the "grooves" on the softs. Totally different forming process in manufacture of the bonded-lead-nosed-solid copper-shanked softs, apparently.

Hog Killer,

Ray very kindly emailed the photos and words to me back when I had some questions about the Cup Points that he was so pleased with. Sorry it has taken so long for me to get them posted here. Doh! I forgot until now.



We will have to wait and see if Ray can fill in the missing info on the nonlethal A-Frame, but I am guessing it might have been a .458, though the way the Swifts expand, it might have been a smaller caliber. I don't know.