Just got this info from SCI newsletter ( in the crosshairs )

Is this for real and if so is it the start of the slide to remove your chaps guns in USA, is it in fact constitutional ?

What can your guys in USA do about it

Peter
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San Francisco Gun Ban Passes
On Election Day, San Francisco voters overwhelmingly passed a gun ban within city and county limits. This measure will ban the manufacture, distribution, sale and transfer of firearms and ammunition within San Francisco and also ban residents from possessing handguns at all. All guns must be turned over to police by April 1, 2006. The NRA and other groups have promised swift legal action.
Final results: Measure H
Yes – 89,696 57.91%
No - 65,185 42.09%

I am saddened, but not surprised. San Francisco (and Berkley), California, would ban guns and religion while promoting gay marriage and allowing the homeless to overrun their cities.

The best thing to do is boycott tourism and business conferences in that city and let the city management know.

Someone in San Francisco should study this carefully since "gun" may mean something totally different to those folks. Hey, girls just want to have fun, right.

I thought they'd already been banned there!

Furthermore, I can't believe that 42% of the residents voted against it.

Thank goodness San Francisco is a postage stamp size and not quite all of our politics are that liberal.

Kyler

P.S. Why is this on the African Big Game Hunting forum?

I'm a little behind on my constitutional law studies, so correct me if I'm wrong...

I see how they can legally ban the sale, mfg, etc... within SF, BUT the second amendment supersedes the attempt to pass a contradictary law by a state or local govt. Which would lead me to believe that the entire law (as passed) would be over ruled.

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

In the California constitution it says that the state has power to regulate firearms and it cannot be done by any municipality. One of the other Granola cities up there tried it about 10 years ago and the CA supreme court threw it out. The NRA has already filed suit.

They can't, but what can one expect from a city full of queers and democrats? jorge

I think the only thing that will stop this action (and others) is if Gun Manufacturers tell the City Departments they will not sell them there pistols and rifles for Use in there Police and Other Departments if a Gun Ban goes in. That would change there thoughts on putting gun bans in.

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if Gun Manufacturers tell the City Departments they will not sell them there pistols and rifles for Use in there Police

Hey can I get them to make that deal with my city and state. A few less armed tools of the govt. would make me very happy.

yep it sucks---sharp marbles they have here--I believe Chicago and Washington DC have passed the same law in the past---last time I checked it had really stopped all crimes committed with pistols in DC--yea right--DC still leads the nation in deaths( I think), so yep it helped there---it will go to court, but we'll just have to wait and see what happens--to many people walking backwards here---chris

I am sure it will be ruled unconsitutional but it goes to show you which way the wind is blowing here in California.

As gun owners we have a civic duty to fight such laws.

Even if the law sticks (which it won't) it will be a great case study for the future when the librals find out that such ban did nothing to curb crime and so we can put this debate to end once and for all.

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They can't, but what can one expect from a city full of queers and democrats

You are being redundant .

Where is the Unibomber and Al Quieda when you need them?

jorge--your comment is unwarranted---i feel the same about bush and you ignorant republicans, but i don't broadcast it.

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but i don't broadcast it.

Ya you do.

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Originally posted by two canoes:
jorge--your comment is unwarranted---i feel the same about bush and you ignorant republicans, but i don't broadcast it.

Your second assertion is demonstrably false; you just did broadcast it. As for the first one, that's a matter of interpretation.

Having lived under the oppressive thumb of both the "Party of CHOICE!!!" on the left coast and the religious right on the east coast, I've decided I much prefer the religious right. The worst atrocity they committed against me was force me to buy all the beer I needed for the weekend by Saturday night.

Meanwhile the self-styled champions of CHOICE!!! are busy making normal human behavior, thought, and dining habits a felony.

Let's see, the party of the "U" Boat Commander Fat Teddy, Barney Frank, Jesse Jackson, Michael Moore, PETA, Al Franken to name but a few, you're right, I'd be quiet also. jorge

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jorge--your comment is unwarranted---i feel the same about bush and you ignorant republicans, but i don't broadcast it.

Don't let em get to you two canoes. In this country you have every right to be a queer democrat if you want to!

I'll offer to store Mike Dettore's 9.3mm while the NRA legal action is being fought.

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Originally posted by NitroX:
I'll offer to store Mike Dettore's 9.3mm while the NRA legal action is being fought.

Handguns, not long guns. But nice try.

Thank God for San Francisco and California in general.

Otherwise, I might think there was no worse place in the USA than Massachusetts for a gun owner to live.

No offense to any Golden Staters intended--it's just a psychological thing . . .

OK Charles, pistols then.

I understand it now. They are sick of the homo pick-up line "Is that a gun in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me" and want the locals to find better ones.

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Thank God for San Francisco and California in general.

Otherwise, I might think there was no worse place in the USA than Massachusetts for a gun owner to live.

Ahhh...just one more reason that it's good to live in Texas...

The law is unconstitutional on it's face. The NRA will fight it in court and will likely prevail. However, it will take a few years to dispose of it. This is exactly why the Supreme Court nominations are so important, and by extension the Presidency is so important.

It is also why NRA President Sandra Froman (a Harvard law school grad, from San Francisco) has made the judiciary a major focus of her presidency. See any of her President's Columns in recent NRA Magazines.

This case may end up being "the one" we need to finally settle this once and for all. That the 2nd Am is an INDIVIDUAL right.

See the story at:

http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/Releases.aspx?ID=6839

Todd J. Rathner
Member, NRA Board of Directors

This is related to "African Big Game Hunting"? Maybe I am missing something, but shouldn't this be posted on the "Political" forum?

I know what some will say. Don't read it if you don't want to, but that is not the reason that Saeed and others have provided us with individual forums.

It seems that everybody posts anything on "African Big Game Hunting" due to the reader volume on this forum and not by topic relevance.

If this is related to "African Big Game Hunting" then one should be able to ask a question about Mossberg shotgun stock replacement here. Afterall, shotguns are used in Africa and a Mossberg is a shotgun, therefore this is an appropriate forum to ask how to change a pad, etc.

Just my thoughts. I am all for spirited discussions on forum topics. Let's try and keep topics and threads in the forums that Saeed has graciously provided.

I will probably be jumped on for this suggestion. Oh well, I tried.

Regards,

RCG

Question, how does one replace his stock on a Mossberg 500?

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Otherwise, I might think there was no worse place in the USA than Massachusetts for a gun owner to live...

it's just a psychological thing . . .

Might be. You should have no problem buying pretty much anything you want, and be able to carry concealed, if you so desire. I do, as do most of my compadres. You want to carry an Uzi on the other hand, and you'll likely have issues...

But then if the 'LEXMA' in your name is derived from Lexington, you may have issues anyway. As I understand it, folks in that part of the state (Lincoln/Corcord/Lexington) often have issues with the idiot chiefs not signing off for residents. To think, this on the very ground that the seeds were sown and blood spilled for the revolution. Oh, the irony!

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Question, how does one replace his stock on a Mossberg 500?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051111/lf_afp/canadacrimejustice_051111142926

this is a news story that Toronto Canada is undergoing a massive increase in gun violence. Is it possible that it might be due to the Canadian government virtually banning LEGAL hundguns and restricting most other guns as opposed to guns coming from the US.. San Francisco might consider this.

The MA state house has some of the historic muzzleloading rifles used on those famous battles, such as Lexington, on display. According to state law, they are now locked with trigger locks.

The folks from CA, Feinstein and Boxer and company, have collaborators from MA, and, for that matter, the UN. Canada enjoys many of the same types. It isn't just the impact the UN has had on African laws when we try to show up -- part of the question is whether we will be able to leave home with our firearms, or even own them if these folks get their way.

I suspect we can live with a little politics like this.

Dan