I have an 86 winchester chambered in 450/110. I have been shooting flat nose cast bullets out of it to date.

I am looking for a FMJ for use on DG that is safe for the tube magazine.

The Woodleigh 480 grain FMJ looks like it might be flat enough to be safe in a tube magazine.

I am also thinking that it might be possible to make a die to flatten it slightly if needed.

I want to make a couple of dummy rounds and check to see if the nose will ignite a primer but at 75 dollars per fifty from Midway that is an expensive experiment.

Who would be willing to send me a couple of sample bullets so I can make some dummy rounds to test if they are safe in a tube magazine. I am willing to pay for the bullets and postage if necessary.

Thanks,
Jeff

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Make you die for barnes solids, and cut down the 400 gr solids.

jeffe

I am trying to duplicate the 450 nitro in a lever gun. It appears from the picture on the website that the woodleigh fmj may be flat enough to be safe in my rifle.

I am necking down Starline 50/110 cases which have recessed primer pockets specifically designed for use in tube magazines. If the woodleigh nose is not flat enough to be safe it is certainly close.

Jeff

I am bumping this to the top.

Could some one please send me a couple of woodleigh 480 or 500 grain .458 caliber FMJ's so that I can make some dummy rounds to evaluate feed, function and safety in a tube magazine in my rifle.

I will gladly pay for the cost of the bullets and postage.

Thank you
Jeff

Considering the generated recoil I would not use the Woodleigh in a tubular magazine without removeing enough front portion to make it flat and NEVER use RN solids in a tubular magazine.

Your answer is to contact Bridger bullets and get a 450 gr. Flat nose solid...

The Bridger 450 grainer may be turn out to be my best option. But I am hoping to avoid a mono solid because it is so long.

I am using Starline brass which has a recessed primer pocket designed for safety in tube magazines. The tip of the Woodleigh while technically a roundnose appears to be almost flat. It may safe when used with this brass.

I want to test them by trying to pop a primer on a primed case set in a vise using an FMJ bullet.

I also want to experiment on flattening the nose of the FMJ.

That could be done by building a die that supports the body of the bullet and leaves just enough of the tip exposed to flatten it with a hammer.

It doesn't have to be much flatter than what it is to be safe. But I don't know how much flattening the bullet will weaken it.

Thanks for your thoughts.
Jeff

You should try a Alaska Bullet works Kodiak 500 gr FMJ. It is a flat nose and will work as is.

If you need to have as much powder capacity as possible, you can modify Speer 500 gr AGS tungsten solids by turning off the nose so that they weigh 470 to 480 grains (it gives a wide flat nose). It works but is expensive. I have made some for a .450 Alaskan.
I would not trust the Woodleigh.

Get somebody with a lathe to turn you some flat nosed bullets like were developed by Zimbabwe's National Parks to replace the A square ammo we had. GS custom in South Africa produced a very good copy but they had serious supply problems.

If in Doubt, takes barnes Super solids (500grn), Turn to nose off, and turn several wide grooves in the shank, just leaving two or three narrow driving bands. This lowers the pressure significantly and ups the velocity. You do not want to drop much below a 480grn bullet at 2150fps out of a .45 cal rifle for use on dangerous game.

The grooves between the driving bands do not need to be very deep. We found that 2thou deeper than the rifeling grooves on a particular rifle was ideal.

All are good ideas. Thanks for the input.
Jeff

GAnyana,
The new Bridger bullets are an exact copy of the GS custom solid, but are made in the USA.. They are made of tougher material and have sharper cutting shoulder..

I used them on a number of Buffalo this year and they will shoot lengthwise through a Buff almost every time and leave a perfect round cookie cutter entrance and exit hole and on broadside shots, depending on the shot, they sure let a lot of blood out. They seemed to kill plainsgame like one would expect from a soft. They also knock a 1/16 to 3/32nds ring of hair off around the entrance hole.

I'd be curious to see what they would do with a small hollow point cut. They also feed very well in all the bolt guns that I have used them in....

I have used them in the 416 Rem and 375 H&H.

We used the flat nosed monolithics extensively in 9,3x62, .375 H&H, .404 and .458 Win. Mostly we used a very soft brass aloy (95% copper) which tended to set up if it encountered big bones, but at least the bullets didn't break chunks off like they did when we tried using commercial brass. The only caliber that gave us problems with these soft bullets was the .458 Win. Velocity was a bit too low to penetrate well through the leg with the bullets expanding a bit. They were ok on head shots though. We still have plenty of .458 A square ammo left though so sorting out a better alloy isn't an issue just yet. In 9,3, 375, and .404 they are by far and away the best for elephant, hippo or buff and are adequate in a push for lion. Cannot see why they have taken so long to catch on.

I put a call in to Alaska Bullet Works in Juneau, Alaska they are sending me a box of 450 grain flat nose solids.

Their bullets have a thick jacket over a bonded and hardened lead core. They have been used in Africa by one of their customers to take to take elephant with a 45/70.

I will report results when I get them in.

Jeff

[ 09-29-2003, 23:20: Message edited by: jnc91 ]