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More bambification of dangerous game. Is this guy South Africa's Timothy Treadwell?


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/new...4353&in_page_id=1770


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Let's start a pot. I'll put in $5 and say he lasts no longer than Thanksgiving. (That's the 4th Thursday in November for our non-US members.)
 
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Yep it won't be too long till we can play that song " and another one bite the dust and another one" homer
How stupid can people really be? I mean seriously.


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This moron will be dead in no time. Look at Sigfied and Roy who had the big cats all of their life, raising them from cubs, having them live with them, etc. etc. Today, Roy is a "changed" man; changed that is, in that he's had moderate brain and other physical damage from a big cat that decided to "playfully" bite him on the neck.
 
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He will meet Griz FOOL man in the near future. killpc


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Insightful. I posted a comment to the article that the guy was a moron, etc. but I am sure the Mail will not put that post up. Really, more annoying than the clown with the lions were the comments by the readers:

That is beautiful, you can`t get that sort of love, trust and respect from humans. What a lovely life Kevin has got.

- Avril Kettle, Grantham

hese pictures are amazing and so heartwarming to see a human being accepted by these wondeful creatures.

I just wish there were more like him and less of the kind who kill these magnificent creatures for fun!

- Abi, Shropshire

THIS ONE IS A GEM:

Big cats are no different from little cats. They also love having their chins and ears tickled just like domestic moggies.

Treat them well, love them, and they'll love and respect you.

- N. Simon, London, UK

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Yes, I saw those comments too, and figured that they are out of their minds as well. Wonder what they'll say when they read a follow-up story about this fool's demise?
 
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He will meet Griz FOOL man in the near future. killpc


Grizzly man and the Lion whisperer. Make a another movie called Lizzly men nilly


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Gentlemen,

I am certain he knows that one day something might go wrong, and he might get hurt.

That still does not deny the fact that he has made a friendly relationship with these cats, as have many others before him.

Sometimes, we only hear about the ones where something goes wrong, and one gsts hurt.

For everyone of those, I think there might be more who spend all their lives without getting a scratch.

I have dealt with many animals, including one lionness, many cheetahs, crocs, snakes, raccoons and several species of gazells.

Last week, I got chased away by a Grants gazelle! Go figure! She just had a little baby, and I went to photograph it. The mother did not like it one little bit, and came straight at me. I had to run out of the compound.

On a previous occasion, I was attacked by two raccoons, had 57 bites on my arms and legs. It took them 9 months to get friendly with me again!

We have had a number of different snakes. Including an Egyptian cobra. We had one man working for us, and this snakes absolutely HATED him! She would get mad as soon as she saw him close by. While she is quite happy to slither out of her box, up my arm, and either curl in my lap, or get under my T-shirt and sleep.

The number fo times I get asked by people if I am afraid of being bitten or hurt by one of our animals.

My answer is always yes. Thwere is always that likelyhood, and it does not bother me.

We have a large aviary, it has several types of parrots and macaws. They are very friendly. Unless they have small chicks. Then they would dive bomb any of us as we go inside.

Right now we have one Amazon which is so vicious, we take a net with us each time we go in to give them food or cleaning up. As soon as we go in, she comes straight for us. We catch her in the net, keep her there until we finish and then let her go.


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Gentlemen,

I am certain he knows that one day something might go wrong, and he might get hurt.

That still does not deny the fact that he has made a friendly relationship with these cats, as have many others before him.

Sometimes, we only hear about the ones where something goes wrong, and one gsts hurt.

For everyone of those, I think there might be more who spend all their lives without getting a scratch.

I have dealt with many animals, including one lionness, many cheetahs, crocs, snakes, raccoons and several species of gazells.

Last week, I got chased away by a Grants gazelle! Go figure! She just had a little baby, and I went to photograph it. The mother did not like it one little bit, and came straight at me. I had to run out of the compound.

On a previous occasion, I was attacked by two raccoons, had 57 bites on my arms and legs. It took them 9 months to get friendly with me again!

We have had a number of different snakes. Including an Egyptian cobra. We had one man working for us, and this snakes absolutely HATED him! She would get mad as soon as she saw him close by. While she is quite happy to slither out of her box, up my arm, and either curl in my lap, or get under my T-shirt and sleep.

The number fo times I get asked by people if I am afraid of being bitten or hurt by one of our animals.

My answer is always yes. Thwere is always that likelyhood, and it does not bother me.

We have a large aviary, it has several types of parrots and macaws. They are very friendly. Unless they have small chicks. Then they would dive bomb any of us as we go inside.

Right now we have one Amazon which is so vicious, we take a net with us each time we go in to give them food or cleaning up. As soon as we go in, she comes straight for us. We catch her in the net, keep her there until we finish and then let her go.


Saeed what do you have your own zoo. Got any pics you don't mind to share?


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Including an Egyptian cobra. We had one man working for us, and this snakes absolutely HATED him! She would get mad as soon as she saw him close by. While she is quite happy to slither out of her box, up my arm, and either curl in my lap, or get under my T-shirt and sleep.


Has she been de-fanged?


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Including an Egyptian cobra. We had one man working for us, and this snakes absolutely HATED him! She would get mad as soon as she saw him close by. While she is quite happy to slither out of her box, up my arm, and either curl in my lap, or get under my T-shirt and sleep.


Has she been de-fanged?


No.


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do you stock anti-venom?


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He will be killed by a lion...
 
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Saeed your a mad man Big Grin I just got tagged by my Darwin Carpet python. She has a respitory infection and I have to give her tablets, well I just wasn't quick enough. You can keep your cobras thank you very much! shocker


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Well, I tend to agree with Saeed. The guy in the article is under no delusions that something bad could happen. He does not seem to think that once he "gets their trust everything will be OK". Instead he relies on his own instincts to keep him out of trouble. But, he also understands that he is taking a risk. There is a difference between knowingly taking a risk and seeing no risk at all. The end result may be the same however ie. sooner or later he is going to get tagged.
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No.

I read everything I could find about snake bites, and the conclusion I got was that in captivity at least, those who get bitten are those who are in the process of extracting venom from the snakes.

We do not do that to ours.

I follow a simple proceedure when I want to get the snake out. I tap the glass, and let her see me. Then I put my hand inside, and stroke her back, working forward to just behind her head. By this time she knows it is me, and starts licking the air. I put my hand by her head, and she just slithers up my arm and out of the box.


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Saeed your a mad man Big Grin


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While she is quite happy to slither out of her box, up my arm, and either curl in my lap, or get under my T-shirt and sleep.


Haven't you learned? "Women" are unpredictable. shame Razzer


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No.

I read everything I could find about snake bites, and the conclusion I got was that in captivity at least, those who get bitten are those who are in the process of extracting venom from the snakes.

We do not do that to ours.

I follow a simple proceedure when I want to get the snake out. I tap the glass, and let her see me. Then I put my hand inside, and stroke her back, working forward to just behind her head. By this time she knows it is me, and starts licking the air. I put my hand by her head, and she just slithers up my arm and out of the box.


Extremely interesting! May I ask the approximate age of this snake when first it came to you? Did your above described technique first occur by design or did she simply run up your arm without biting one day? I have found that with some reptile species there lies some advantage in raising young wild or captive bred specimens but, in most others, the young are especially aggressive (rather defensive) from day one and often never really do calm down. I have raised many turtles, tortoises, cyclura (ground iguanas), monitors and snakes (mostly boids) and have handled 3 or 4 poisionous species. I believe I would worry about catching your friend on a "bad scale day". Smiler
 
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He is going to get killed, maimed or bitten and guess who they will blame – the animal and its natural instincts.

Good luck to him – or should I say to the animals he “plays†with

I raised 3 orphan warhogs whose mother was killed in a poachers snare, they were about 1 month old when we got them. They became very aggressive as they got older, and they are incredibly strong. We eventually moved them all to a neighbors farm. They stayed together for some time, then split up. Now we can’t tell them from the other warthogs on the farm.
 
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The guy I got my snakes from in Katherine got tagged by one of his death adders. Wasn't extracting venom, just wasn't paying attention I suppose.


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Spectacular photos, Saeed. Thank you for posting them. Where might I find previous posts about your camera gear and technique?
 
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Saeed: Can you provide us with a pic of your pet cobra? You are a better man than me, my friend!
 
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This is what I was talking about! Two young felines take down a grown man! And attempt to nibble him to death! Saeed, do you still have nightmares from this terrible ordeal?

Seriously, there is a big difference between animals essentially raised as pets as well as a big difference between cheetah's and lions. There are more than a few references in the older literature to hunters in Asia and the Middle East keeping cheetahs as hunting companions.

The subject of the article was dealing with lions in some sort of "conservation" area in SA. Wonder if this is a euphemism for game farm? I think this guy is really tempting fate. All it takes is for one of those lions to have a bad day - not enough to eat, an injury, a stomach ache or jealousy when he is paying more attention to one over another - and it is all over.

While there are indeed some people out there who have some inate connection with animals and vice versa, the rules can change in a heartbeat. One has to have the brains or sense to know when not to push it.

Saeed's cobra is interesting. Somehow the snake perceives no threat from him, when it's natural instinct is to fight or flee. I frankly have not been close enough to the reptile world to weigh in (excluding one ex wife), but it is fascinating.


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I like the pictures


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This guy is based at the Lion Park just northwest of Johannesburg (Near Krugersdorp). They breed and raise Lions, and the two he uses for these shows (he actually sells DVD's) have been with him since birth. Clearly he's a bit of a nutter, but he obviously knows what he's doing and what the risks are. The dangerous bit is the reaction of the bunnyhuggers who see this and start drawing weird paralells between an adult
lion and their overfed and neutered pussycat. Incidentally, this Lion Park is the one where a tourist (Taiwanese / Chinese?) got out of the car to pose in front of a group of Lions, and got eaten for his trouble. I bet the photographer got the message, even if he missed the shot!
 
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Incidentally, this Lion Park is the one where a tourist (Taiwanese / Chinese?) got out of the car to pose in front of a group of Lions, and got eaten for his trouble.


And, I'd bet those lions were hungry an hour later...


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I don't buy into their claims at all. A wild animal is always wild and must be treat as such. As I mentioned earlier, Segfried and Roy bought into the idea that their tigers, raised by them from birth, would not harm them, of all people, and then one night in front of a fully packed audience, Roy was totally changed due to a "love" bite to his neck by one of his pets, a harmless white tiger. The news media went crazy about it, especially here in Las Vegas. They couldn't figure out why that beautiful white tiger would bite its owner and inflict severe and debilitating damages. Go figure the news media, stupid people, and the bunny huggers.
 
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