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One big problem with safari contracts is choice of law and jurisdiction. You might get jurisdiction in the US if your outfitter came to the US and sold you the contract here, but you will have to serve them in their country should you try to sue them. That means determining if their country is a member of the Hague. If so get ready. You have to comply with the Hague, which means the complaint has to be officially translated into the official language, etc. Costs a lot. Then you have to get service of process in the other country. Costs a lot and it's easy to dodge service in other countries. They probably won't appear, but then you have to get a default judgment which doesnt' cost a whole lot, but then you have to try to collect.
Good luck and that does cost a lot. I've been through it with a Chinese company.

Given that your safari was probably $150,000 or less, it's not worth the effort.


Boom! Thats the way I feel about it too!
 
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. . . toilet paper is the deal Baldry sold . . . soiled . . . or maybe tissue paper would be more accurate. So much for Corey's "handshake" deal.


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What happened with Corey’s handshake with Baldry?


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I guess since all you can do is deflect, you must agree, Baldry’s handshake isn’t worth spit. Or shit, in keeping with you your toilet paper reference.


You are correct on the value....
 
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Am I the only one that feels like the forum is overrun with annoying little children that take over every thread?


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J.A. Hunter describing the early explorers and settlers of East Africa

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I seem to remember when you hunted with me the contract was mostly a regurgitation of our correspondence and a handshake. I remember that long day hike after Roan only to get busted at dusk. The massive Bushpig and extraordinary Sable. Good times my friend.

Agreed, they were good times, and the way I prefer to do business. However, this business is full of those who cannot do business that way. It was hard to watch Buzz get lambasted for making a reasonable business decision to deal with dishonest, discourteous clients. This sport seems to be full of clientele that won’t lose a wink of sleep leaving some trusting businessman hanging out to dry.
 
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Am I the only one that feels like the forum is overrun with annoying little children that take over every thread?


No you are not.

But, isn't this the fact one has to put up with with free speech??


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Free speech? Like locked threads? 2020


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I seem to remember when you hunted with me the contract was mostly a regurgitation of our correspondence and a handshake. I remember that long day hike after Roan only to get busted at dusk. The massive Bushpig and extraordinary Sable. Good times my friend.

Agreed, they were good times, and the way I prefer to do business. However, this business is full of those who cannot do business that way. It was hard to watch Buzz get lambasted for making a reasonable business decision to deal with dishonest, discourteous clients. This sport seems to be full of clientele that won’t lose a wink of sleep leaving some trusting businessman hanging out to dry.


i will say it was hard to see Andrew being hanging out to dry as well ...
 
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Poor Baldry indeed. Sold a fellow an $80K hunt so the guy could take his dad with Parkinson’s on a trip to Africa. Gets the guy to pay his buddy Ibi. Then when it all went tits up, Baldry tells the fellow he sold the hunt to, good luck my friend there’s nothing I can do. Poor old Baldry.


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Poor Baldry indeed. Sold a fellow an $80K hunt so the guy could take his dad with Parkinson’s on a trip to Africa. Gets the guy to pay his buddy Ibi. Then when it all went tits up, Baldry tells the fellow he sold the hunt to, good luck my friend there’s nothing I can do. Poor old Baldry.


CME is not the example to follow and it did not end well last time when the story came from the hat ...
 
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What happened in Corey’s past has nothing to do with the screwing he got from Baldry and Ibi. Even if you believe Corey’s bankruptcy (or any bankruptcy for that matter) was wrong, that does not give Baldry and Ibi a pass for f’ing him on his hunt.


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