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One big problem with safari contracts is choice of law and jurisdiction. You might get jurisdiction in the US if your outfitter came to the US and sold you the contract here, but you will have to serve them in their country should you try to sue them. That means determining if their country is a member of the Hague. If so get ready. You have to comply with the Hague, which means the complaint has to be officially translated into the official language, etc. Costs a lot. Then you have to get service of process in the other country. Costs a lot and it's easy to dodge service in other countries. They probably won't appear, but then you have to get a default judgment which doesnt' cost a whole lot, but then you have to try to collect.
Good luck and that does cost a lot. I've been through it with a Chinese company.

Given that your safari was probably $150,000 or less, it's not worth the effort.

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Originally posted by MJines:
. . . toilet paper is the deal Baldry sold . . . soiled . . . or maybe tissue paper would be more accurate. So much for Corey's "handshake" deal.

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Originally posted by MJines:
What happened with Corey’s handshake with Baldry?

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Originally posted by MJines:
I guess since all you can do is deflect, you must agree, Baldry’s handshake isn’t worth spit. Or shit, in keeping with you your toilet paper reference.

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I seem to remember when you hunted with me the contract was mostly a regurgitation of our correspondence and a handshake. I remember that long day hike after Roan only to get busted at dusk. The massive Bushpig and extraordinary Sable. Good times my friend.

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Originally posted by Bwanamich:
Am I the only one that feels like the forum is overrun with annoying little children that take over every thread?

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Originally posted by 505 gibbs:

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I seem to remember when you hunted with me the contract was mostly a regurgitation of our correspondence and a handshake. I remember that long day hike after Roan only to get busted at dusk. The massive Bushpig and extraordinary Sable. Good times my friend.

Agreed, they were good times, and the way I prefer to do business. However, this business is full of those who cannot do business that way. It was hard to watch Buzz get lambasted for making a reasonable business decision to deal with dishonest, discourteous clients. This sport seems to be full of clientele that won’t lose a wink of sleep leaving some trusting businessman hanging out to dry.

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Originally posted by MJines:
Poor Baldry indeed. Sold a fellow an $80K hunt so the guy could take his dad with Parkinson’s on a trip to Africa. Gets the guy to pay his buddy Ibi. Then when it all went tits up, Baldry tells the fellow he sold the hunt to, good luck my friend there’s nothing I can do. Poor old Baldry.

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Originally posted by MJines:
Free speech? Like locked threads?

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by 505 gibbs:

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I seem to remember when you hunted with me the contract was mostly a regurgitation of our correspondence and a handshake. I remember that long day hike after Roan only to get busted at dusk. The massive Bushpig and extraordinary Sable. Good times my friend.

Agreed, they were good times, and the way I prefer to do business. However, this business is full of those who cannot do business that way. It was hard to watch Buzz get lambasted for making a reasonable business decision to deal with dishonest, discourteous clients. This sport seems to be full of clientele that won’t lose a wink of sleep leaving some trusting businessman hanging out to dry.

i will say it was hard to see Andrew being hanging out to dry as well ...

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Originally posted by dogcat:

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Originally posted by MJines:
Free speech? Like locked threads?

As Saeed says, it is his website and he makes the rules. Not sure why he is afraid of discussion as he spends more time here than anyone. Being afraid of honest discussion is not what I thought AR was all about.

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Originally posted by MJines:
What happened in Corey’s past has nothing to do with the screwing he got from Baldry and Ibi. Even if you believe Corey’s bankruptcy (or any bankruptcy for that matter) was wrong, that does not give Baldry and Ibi a pass for f’ing him on his hunt.

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Originally posted by MJines:
Baldry did nothing other than sell a hunt that left the client out $80K.

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by MJines:
Baldry did nothing other than sell a hunt that left the client out $80K.

did andrew got a dime on it or where did cme sent the money? up to now you were not able to prove that andrew received anything but your love affair for putting down andrew like a few here is very clear but do not get your reasons or motives.

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Originally posted by MJines:
Who marketed and advertised the hunt? Who coordinated the details of the hunt? You’re not the sharpest knife in the drawer are you. My motivation. Folks looking to book future hunts need to have transparency into who they are dealing with. After all, isn’t that one of purposes Saeed says this site exists to serve.

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Originally posted by fulvio:
To market, advertise, promote or recommend a product (any) is not selling.

I would be very cautious henceforth in recommending a hunt or an outfitter to anyone.

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Originally posted by medved:

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Originally posted by fulvio:
To market, advertise, promote or recommend a product (any) is not selling.

I would be very cautious henceforth in recommending a hunt or an outfitter to anyone.

well that definition is at variable geometry as the ones starting the crusade against Andrew will not have a problem to recommend an outfitter/ outfit/ph that fits their agenda ...

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Originally posted by Bwanamich:
Am I the only one that feels like the forum is overrun with annoying little children that take over every thread?

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Originally posted by fulvio:
Worth remembering as well that the "Force Majeure" clause within a contract is usually drawn up by the company's legal representative and not necessarily the private individual.

Therefore when a contract's Force Majeure clause has been written to cover all bases with a broader than usual brush, we should maybe blame the lawyer instead.

Insurance policies are pretty much the same. if not worse.

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Originally posted by lavaca:
I've communicated with Michel about this and he pointed out, as I did in my case, that he never invoked Force Majeure even in COVID. Go with someone you trust and the main reason I refer to my contract is for dates and animals on ticket.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by fulvio:
Worth remembering as well that the "Force Majeure" clause within a contract is usually drawn up by the company's legal representative and not necessarily the private individual.

Therefore when a contract's Force Majeure clause has been written to cover all bases with a broader than usual brush, we should maybe blame the lawyer instead.

Insurance policies are pretty much the same. if not worse.

Frankly, in a normal society where there common sense, there is no need for the human vermin!

They thrive in America.

Where one cannot even fart without being sued!

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Originally posted by Bull Sprig:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by fulvio:
Worth remembering as well that the "Force Majeure" clause within a contract is usually drawn up by the company's legal representative and not necessarily the private individual.

Therefore when a contract's Force Majeure clause has been written to cover all bases with a broader than usual brush, we should maybe blame the lawyer instead.

Insurance policies are pretty much the same. if not worse.

Frankly, in a normal society where there common sense, there is no need for the human vermin!

They thrive in America.

Where one cannot even fart without being sued!

Yup.....no vermin in the ME. Human nature.....it's the same everywhere despite the horseshit you're constantly peddling on here.

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Originally posted by dogcat:

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Originally posted by Bull Sprig:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by fulvio:
Worth remembering as well that the "Force Majeure" clause within a contract is usually drawn up by the company's legal representative and not necessarily the private individual.

Therefore when a contract's Force Majeure clause has been written to cover all bases with a broader than usual brush, we should maybe blame the lawyer instead.

Insurance policies are pretty much the same. if not worse.

Frankly, in a normal society where there common sense, there is no need for the human vermin!

They thrive in America.

Where one cannot even fart without being sued!

Yup.....no vermin in the ME. Human nature.....it's the same everywhere despite the horseshit you're constantly peddling on here.

Bullsprig,
Don't know you but you are spot on... the constant chirping and name calling of lawyers is getting old and even more childish...