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What kind of accuracy could I expect out of an over under Chapius in 9,3x74r? | ||
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Mike, as a general rule, double barrel rifles are regulated at a certain distance, with one type of ammo - I think. We had a gentleman come in here once with a Blaser o/u in 375 H&H, and he wanted it to be regulated for the Speer 235 grain bullet. He said he wanted it for leopard. We fired a lot of ammo, and the closest we could get the barrels to shoot was about 6 inchs at 100 yards - this is using the factory supplied adjustments at the front of the barrels. I think he sent it back to the factory to be done. Got it back not much better. | |||
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Saeed, You could have at least lied to me so I could be foolish and spend my money...please give me hope some one... Is that what Walter shoots...does he use that as an excuse...or is he still working on shooting 270 bullets in his 7mm... | |||
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Walter shoots a silly straight pull bolt action contraption they call the Blaser R-93. A worst abomination I have never seen! Why would anyone want to mess up with the tried and tested bold action I have no idea. | |||
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Dear Mike, I just called David Chapuis chapuis . Like Saeed, he is insisting on the fact that the barrels are regulated for one type of ammunition. The barrels are solded with silver. There is no funny device to move the barrels, what could be (my opinion) a trouble source in tough situation. The precision is in no case under of 3-4 cm at 50m. | |||
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Mike, with a little bit of creative machining you might be able to turn that thing into a .410 Ga shotgun and use it for rock pidgeon! | |||
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I have owned 2 Valmets in 9.3 x 74R and had NO problem adjusting them to shoot in 2" at 100yds. They are not the prettiest of O/U's but really shoot well. Mostly shot 286gr Noslers and Woodleigh's. | |||
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Mike, I have been using my Chapuis 9,3x74R double SxS for 6.5 years. I have tested quite a few handloads and factory loads. The rifle is scoped. From field positions the groups on paper are as good as with a bolt rifle of equal power. My 2 longest shots are on a coyote at 271 yards, lazerd after the shot, and a kudu at a litle over 300 yds. My rifle was regulated with the RWS 293 gr TUG. My normal hunting loads use 286 Woodleigh Softs, 286 Nosler Partitions and 285 gr. Hawk with the .035jkt. My rifle shoots to 100 yards with good hunting accuracy with factory loads from 232 grains and with all the 285/286 gr factory loads I have tried. This Chapuis is my most favorite hunting rifle under 40 cal. The 9,3x74R with 286 grain bullets is not too powerful for deer/impala sized game, perfect for elk, moose,kudu, bear, lion, even eland, and powerful enough for buff in a pinch, and with solids will penetrate deep enough to get you out of an "emergency" with an elephant with good shooting. I have found the quick one/two punch of the double rifle superior to a bolt rifle and a full magazine. Even though I have used several different bullets in my 9,3 all that is really needed is a premium 286 soft and a 286 Woodleigh Solid. | |||
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Quote: Mike, what kind of accuracy are you getting? The size of the two barrel group is not the only thing needed to evaluate the load your useing. I'm sure you already know what I'm about to say, but there may be readers here who don't! 1ST off, the way you hold the rifle has much to do with the developement of a regulating load for your double rifle. A double absolutely must be allowed to recoil as if you were shooting off hand! SOOOO, from the bench the rifle must NOT touch anything but your hands, cheek, and shoulder! It is fine to use sandbags to steady your shooting, but your hands must be between the sandbag and the rifle. For best results, you should be standing, but if not try to sit as streight up as posible! Now, on the target, plot each shot as it is fired (#1 BTM), (#1 TOP), (#2 BTM), (#2 TOP), always fireing the bottom barrel first, on a O/U, and right barrel first on a S/S, from cool barrels, and fire a four shot group, with two frm each barrel! This way you can tell if the barrels are crossing, or shooting wide. (in this case shooting wide, means the bottom barrel shooting low in the group, and the top barrel shooting high in the group. This condition means the load is too slow, with the bullet staying in the barrel too long durring the recoil arch! If the bottom barrel is shooting HIGH in the group, and the top barrel shooting low in the group, the load is too fast. Once these conditions are diognosed, it is a simple matter of adjusting the load up or down, till it shoots a MIX in a composite group, and you have it! Try it at longer ranges, first shooting a two shot group with the Bottom barrel, and see how well it matches the sights, and for group tightness! The shoot another group with the other barrel to see how it groups. If they are both on the sights, then you have a long range as well. If not, the learn where the BOTTOM barrel shoots at long range, and use the rifle like a single shot for long shots! All shots for working up loads should come from a cool barrel set! These rifles are for hunting, not target shooting, and are designed to shoot only when game is encountered, this means from barrels that are at ambient temprature! Don't give up, it takes a little work, but that work has to follow a set of rules, that do not apply to single barrel rifles! | |||
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All, Thanks so much...for the info. Alas, you see I do not have a double or over and under. You see at this point in my life I have more money than time. You remember I posted earlier about should I sell my 9.3x62. Since I have more money than time right now, I thought I could solve my problem by being a complete 9.3 nut and get a 74r than I shall have all three...thus compounding my affliction... Anyone no of a used Chapuis or Valmet 0/U for sale... | |||
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Quote: Griffin and Howe has a Tikka: G&H Used Rifles  Good luck if you try them. They never responded to my emails and when I called about a rifle the rifle person was not in. Big5HQ lists a Valmet and a couple of Tikkas. big5hq.com I see them on the auction sites from time to time as well. Caveat emptor as I have not dealt with these sellers. | |||
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Quote: Why not a side by side ? | |||
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I like the way over and unders look better than side ny sides... | |||
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When I had my 9,3x74R FN-Browning o/u scoped, the bbls. needed to be regulated again. I assisted and pushed my (very friendly) gunmaker's patience to the limit. After unsoldering,moving the wedge and resoldering it several times, I was satisfied when both bbls. shot in the same hole at 50 m.   Moral : where there's a will, there's a way. They can do it if they really want to work at it... | |||
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Mike I can't tell you much about the chappuis, but I have a pair of beretta golden sables. One is 3006 and the other in 9.3x74R, with an extra set of 20 ga. barrels that fit both receivers. My 06 will group under 2" at 100 yds consecutivly, with 165 gr noslers, the 9.3 wont do as well but still goes within 4" with 300 A frames. It took a bit of time and loads to find what shot and what didn't, but I'm happy as a lark with them. Unless i'm after ele or buff I can take the 2 rifles and the shotgun barrels and be set for most anythng. If fact last year I bagged a 200#+ 7'10" leopard with the 06, changed to shotgun and we birds a nite or two, changed to the 9.3 and got a 10'2" black maned stock killing lion. Granted this was a dream hunt, but the point is that the weapons worked 100%. I've got a couple os sxs too but they are larger calibers and reserved to larger game. the o/u's are lightweight and much easier to carry. The beretta golden sables are based on a 20 ga. frame, and are a little bit hard to find, but they are out there at a 3500-5000 pricetag. | |||
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Mickey, My condolences...it makes my heart heavy that someone of your advanced years has not learned the basic rule of rifles... Clearly, you never had a thoughtful mentor who taught you the sole purpose of a rifle...perhaps one of the members here will take pity on you... | |||
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Mike, Mickey is right, get a SxS. After all your eyes go like this oo, not like this 8.  | |||
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