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PH Cillier - Caprivi Strip
15 January 2014, 23:49
FrostbitPH Cillier - Caprivi Strip
A friend is thinking of a hunt on the Caprivi. Anyone have any experience or information on a PH Cillier (sp?) ?
16 January 2014, 01:06
Safari2Looks pretty good to me...great ele, buff area..
http://cillierssafaris.com/All...ta_East_Trophys.html16 January 2014, 01:20
bcolyerMy ONLY problem is.....I think the hunts start at $60K. But that Nat'l. Park area is nice!
16 January 2014, 01:21
AdamsdjrAllen Cilliers reportedly has the best concession in the Caprivi according to a post from Karl Stumpfe. It must be a good area because he does not seem interested in selling a hunt. I contacted him about booking a bull ele hunt. He replied to my first email saying that he would get back to me after he completed a hunt he was on at time. I have tried to contact him a few times since and have not heard anything from him. I tried replying to the email he sent me first and also the one on his website. Looked like a great area and I wanted to book a hunt for myself and my son.
16 January 2014, 01:32
Safari2quote:
Originally posted by Adamsdjr:
Allen Cilliers reportedly has the best concession in the Caprivi according to a post from Karl Stumpfe. It must be a good area because he does not seem interested in selling a hunt. I contacted him about booking a bull ele hunt. He replied to my first email saying that he would get back to me after he completed a hunt he was on at time. I have tried to contact him a few times since and have not heard anything from him. I tried replying to the email he sent me first and also the one on his website. Looked like a great area and I wanted to book a hunt for myself and my son.
It is now THE AREA to hunt "Botswana Elephant"..there is another operator that has the other half of the NP that is probably just as good..Koos Pinnear/Hunt Namibia (I believe is the name)..I will try to find and post website.
16 January 2014, 01:34
Safari2quote:
Originally posted by Safari2:
quote:
Originally posted by Adamsdjr:
Allen Cilliers reportedly has the best concession in the Caprivi according to a post from Karl Stumpfe. It must be a good area because he does not seem interested in selling a hunt. I contacted him about booking a bull ele hunt. He replied to my first email saying that he would get back to me after he completed a hunt he was on at time. I have tried to contact him a few times since and have not heard anything from him. I tried replying to the email he sent me first and also the one on his website. Looked like a great area and I wanted to book a hunt for myself and my son.
It is now THE AREA to hunt "Botswana Elephant"..there is another operator that has the other half of the NP that is probably just as good..Koos Pinnear/Hunt Namibia (I believe is the name)..I will try to find and post website.
Here you go...
http://www.huntafrica.com.na/team.html16 January 2014, 09:04
lavacaAdamsdjr:
That's just Allan. Rather independent, but a real nice guy when you get to know him. I've bow-hunted once with Allan and once with his son Wayne. Very nice family. Very good hunters.
Allan is one of the few white men who speak the bushman language. He tracks nearly as good as they do as well. I've not hunted elephant with him, but have wanted to.
He used to have a concession on the Kwando in the Caprivi, which should be excellent. He used to have a very good average on weight, but I know he concentrates on marketing in Europe and I suspect his average would have been higher if he had more hunters who were willing to work a bit harder.
16 January 2014, 10:06
boarkillerSo I read it he doesn't like Americans much
As you pointed out, Europeans are simply lazy, they just wanna shoot out of the truck
It has to do with the way they are in general. I grew up there I know
They have tradition but they don't have the guts, generally speaking.
Here and there is exception to the rule
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16 January 2014, 10:14
jaegerfrankIf you read through the references in his webpage they seem pretty non-EU.
16 January 2014, 10:22
lavacaCome on Boarkiller, that really isn't fair, but now you will require me to use a lot more words.
What I said is Allan markets mostly in Europe. I don't know why; I never asked him. I don't think he dislikes Americans, we seemed to get along just fine.
My intent was not to call into question the hunting prowess of our European brethren. I simply recall one occasion, when I was hunting with Allan's son Wayne and did not expect to see Allan because his elephant hunt in the Caprivi was not supposed to end until after I was long gone.
Allan showed up half way into my hunt, his three European hunters had shot the first three legal bulls they encountered, against his advice, and flown home. Not saying all or even most European hunters are that way, but that trip alone would have improved his average if those three hunters had hunted, instead of shot the first available bull.
That's all I meant. Far more words than warranted. Didn't mean any offense and hope none was taken by anyone.
If it was, well, ... no, I'm not going to go there ...
16 January 2014, 11:47
hann1@boarkiller: "Europeans are simply lazy, they just wanna shoot out of the truck"
which is precisely the prejudice that we have of the americans
16 January 2014, 12:07
jkhunterAllan is a great guy and a top hunter, his knowledge of the bush its tops and comes from his years in National Parks,
He has one of the best Elephant hunting area and concession in Namibia; I know Thormahlen was trying to take over his areas,
Your Friend is in good hands,
As for the comment on Europeans v USA
most Namibians feel at home with Europeans as many of them speak German,
as Namibia has a long European History they do tend to like their own.
16 January 2014, 15:51
John Chalmersquote:
Originally posted by boarkiller:
So I read it he doesn't like Americans much
As you pointed out, Europeans are simply lazy, they just wanna shoot out of the truck
It has to do with the way they are in general. I grew up there I know
They have tradition but they don't have the guts, generally speaking.
Here and there is exception to the rule
Oh wad the gift, the giftie gie us,
to see ourSELFs as others see us.(R.Burns).jc
16 January 2014, 16:15
Torbjørnquote:
Originally posted by boarkiller:
As you pointed out, Europeans are simply lazy, they just wanna shoot out of the truck
It has to do with the way they are in general.
BS!!!!!!!!!
Worst crap I've read on AR.
Torbjorn
16 January 2014, 17:50
Bwana Bundukiquote:
Originally posted by Torbjørn:
quote:
Originally posted by boarkiller:
As you pointed out, Europeans are simply lazy, they just wanna shoot out of the truck
It has to do with the way they are in general.
BS!!!!!!!!!
Worst crap I've read on AR.
Torbjorn
Well in all fairness it's not the WORST, but it is pretty bad!
Jeff
16 January 2014, 18:33
Dutch44Well, Torbjorn, obviously you haven't been reading Shootaway's comments!
16 January 2014, 21:28
ChrisTroskiequote:
Originally posted by boarkiller:
So I read it he doesn't like Americans much
As you pointed out, Europeans are simply lazy, they just wanna shoot out of the truck
It has to do with the way they are in general. I grew up there I know
They have tradition but they don't have the guts, generally speaking.
Here and there is exception to the rule
From my personal experience I have to strongly disagree with these statements.
16 January 2014, 21:45
Jason Pquote:
Originally posted by hann1:
@boarkiller: "Europeans are simply lazy, they just wanna shoot out of the truck"
which is precisely the prejudice that we have of the americans
Your post is as idiotic as the previous. You sound like a real gem.
16 January 2014, 22:02
MARK H. YOUNGWhen I worked with Adam we tried to do business with Alan but communications was always an issue. I think he has one of the best bow hunting opertions in Africa and he did have excellent areas in the Caprivi but I'm not sure what he has now. The impression that I have is that he is very good. Lots of great background as Chief Warden of Etosha.
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SaeedGentlemen,
There the good and the bad amongst every nation!
And those who think otherwise are just kidding themselves.
16 January 2014, 22:13
Lhook7quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
Gentlemen,
There the good and the bad amongst every nation!
And those who think otherwise are just kidding themselves.
It's been my experience that those who think otherwise are projecting their own inadequacies.
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16 January 2014, 22:14
shakariquote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
Gentlemen,
There the good and the bad amongst every nation!
And those who think otherwise are just kidding themselves.
+1
17 January 2014, 07:23
lavacaAs Mark said, Allan was the chief ranger/warden at Etosha for a number of years. He speaks the Bushman language. His stories about the war in Angola will keep you on the edge of your seat if you can coaxe him into talking about it.
This whole European/American thing is silly. I'm sorry I somehow provoked it.
I'd hunt elephant with Allan or Wayne any time.
17 January 2014, 07:40
discapNo expert here,but I just got back from the Caprivi hunting with Mike Kibble @ Progress Safari. Shot nice buff and really good sable. We almost got trampled by about 200 elephants. Mike is a great guy.
Bill J
17 January 2014, 11:32
hann1quote:
Originally posted by Jason P:
quote:
Originally posted by hann1:
@boarkiller: "Europeans are simply lazy, they just wanna shoot out of the truck"
which is precisely the prejudice that we have of the americans
Your post is as idiotic as the previous. You sound like a real gem.
i am sorry for this general comment, but it was not really meant seriously. I forget the
17 January 2014, 16:31
Safari2quote:
Originally posted by discap:
No expert here,but I just got back from the Caprivi hunting with Mike Kibble @ Progress Safari. Shot nice buff and really good sable. We almost got trampled by about 200 elephants. Mike is a great guy.
Bill J
Congrats Bill..what area in the Caprivi were
you hunting?
17 January 2014, 22:35
discapAbout 45 minutes west of Katima. Mike has his permanent camp set up on an island on the ??? River? The hunting for buff, elephant and hippo is done by boat and slogging through the swamp. Pretty frightening for a first timer considering all the critters that want to kill you.
Best I can tell there are only two types of animals over there.
1. Those that want to kill you
2. Those that want to kill you and eat you
17 January 2014, 22:37
discapquote:
Originally posted by discap:
About 45 minutes west of Katima. Mike has his permanent camp set up on an island on the ??? River? The hunting for buff, elephant and hippo is done by boat and slogging through the swamp. Pretty frightening for a first timer considering all the critters that want to kill you.
Best I can tell there are only two types of animals over there.
1. Those that want to kill you
2. Those that want to kill you and eat you