Tea break....But like the governor of California and SCI "I'll be back!'

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Originally posted by Ghubert:
Missed?

By who?

Sorry, must have misinterpreted....

I think I'll have a cup of tea as well David.......

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Originally posted by Ghubert:
I think I'll have a cup of tea as well David.......

Earl Grey for me please.

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Originally posted by shakari:

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Originally posted by Ghubert:
I think I'll have a cup of tea as well David.......

Earl Grey for me please.

Milk and sugar?

For you that is, not for your boss or his pals.

David - Enjoy the "tea break". My next cup of tea will be in my elk hunting camp four hours from now. Will be there a week without internet, phones, TV or any other people. But I do hope I'll have a lot of catching up to do here on AR when I get back.

Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member

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Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
David - +100 on that one. Same ole people singing the same ole "gloom and doom" song, without the ability to turn the page to a new verse. Actually they probably have the ability to turn the page, but prefer to keep up the trash talk to suit themselves I suppose.

Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member

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Originally posted by David Hulme:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

Keeping our mouths shut at all these shinanigans is not going to help. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

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Saeed, I haven't noticed anyone keeping their mouth shut about anything.

David

(cough)

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Just for clarity, I have no axe to grind with anyone, eccept the rip=off merchant. If there are no rip-off merchants masquerading as looking out for hunters, there is no problem.

The British Association of Shooting and Conservation is the premier organisation for the shooting sports, in terms of hunters at least, in the UK.

They publish accounts for their members to see and hold open elections for the executive positions.

As to why the lack of people keeping their mouths shut, irrelevant, if the point is valid you one should be able to explain why those mouths should be shut about their money is spent and their organisation run, surely?

Or are the rank and file held in such low esteem that they do not warrant or merit an answer?

I believe that OOA is the scum of the earth and I have not or ever will defend them. With that being said SCI is taking a big black eye due to their dealings with them and that is rightfully so. My friend who is now on the SCI EC hates OOA with a passion and has been out after them for quite sometime. Since he is just recently part of the EC maybe there will be some changes coming down the line. SCI is not a perfect organization and probably never will be but then again there will never be a perfect organization in the world.

David, there is that perfect world that is why some of attend the church of our choice on Sundays, eh.

Larry you won't miss anything in this tumble dry it will be the same one day, one week, one month, one year from now, have a good Elk hunt.

earl grey way would any normal person drink that swill when they can get east african tea(really gooooood east african tea) I think Steve killed his last taste bud!!!!! thats the one you name hennnnnerereriee is it not Steve????

David,

Many people who were the biggest promoters of Out of Africa now 'hate' them with a passion.

The reason they 'hate' them now is only because of OoA's apprehension by USFWS and South African law enforcement for smuggling and poaching. Conviction of their allies stand to imperil their ambitions to become SCI big shots. So, they have gotten very vocal about how they have 'always been after them'.

Ask around about your 'friend', and see what unbiased opinions and long memories have to say about how much they were 'out after them for quite some time'.

Beware anyone who will lie to you, they will steal from you as well. Like President Reagan said, "Trust, but verify".

Cheers,

~ Alan

Alan, I really have not seen the "promoters" of OOA turn into "haters". It could be I am not in the loop as mmuch as I was. I have noticed some of them looking for a rock to hide under though! You and I have been on the same page of this fight for what is it 7 years now? I loose track of the time anymore and it is had to believe this much time has passed. I am still pissed off at the way SCI handled this whole thing right along. That said I dont believe the majority of the membership or the organization itself is at fault. I could throw stones at some names that we both know and hold in disgust. Yes we need to do some house cleaning and I hope there are indictments handed down here in the US. As fsr as Dawie and the rest of that bunch are concerned I am not holding my breath that justice will prevail until I see it. We can only wait and see and maybe hope for a few fatal "traffic accidents". If SCI dosnt start doing something because of a few bad apples at the top then I guess it is time to try and energize the rank and file membership.

Mike,

Yes, that is why I put 'hate' in quotations. They hate the fact that their little gravy train has derailed itself, and now all their fellow chapter members are looking at them in disgust. I will never have any use for the people I know who backed OoA for their personal gain.

When crimes committed by OoA in Zimbabwe first came to light, ranking SCI members dismissed it as old news, and because there was no evidence there would be no action. They kept up this litany of 'no evidence', even after the government of Zimbabwe banned OoA from hunting there. It was just ignored, along with all the formal complaints to the ethics committee, and even to this very day they say there is no evidence or that OoA has been set-up. It is the old Hitler strategy of telling The Big Lie. Tell a lie long enough and loud enough and many people will accept it as the truth without question.

'No evidence' was even chanted by their protectors right here on this forum, right up until the Department of Justice issued a press release about USFWS and Customs arresting Dawie in Alabama for leopard smuggling. Hard to blubber about the lack of evidence, when your darling boy has copped a guilty felony plea and skipped the country.

Of course you are right about the rank and file. Most of them just want to hunt and could care less about running SCI. They don't know or care about the politics and genuinely want their money spent on conservation issues. They elect officers whom they hope will protect them and their money. The bad news is most of them have no idea what is going on, or even who OoA is. The members who were ripped off and extorted ended up quitting SCI, while their officers got the red carpet treatment.

It would be great to see some high level indictments force SCI to clean out the bad apples. I don't think it will ever happen from within, but there are several factions struggling for control, so there is always the chance someone will inform on their colleagues so they can take their spot at the top of the organization.

Cheers,

~ Alan

Alan,

My friend has been out after OOA since 2001 after he actually went on a South Africa plains game hunt with them. At the time he was simply an SCI member and he was the one they wanted to shoot a blesbok where they had several in an enclosure that was about an acre big. He got into it with them that evening when they kept pushing him as to why he did not shoot it. And from that our local chapter banned OOA from exhibiting or donating any hunts.