Adventures of Joe and Bob.

Hey Joe, what a shame our sport is coming to.

What do you mean, Bob.

Well, everyone knows the only proper way to hunt an elephant is with a muzzle loader. Now I hear some guys are using this new fangled thing where the primer, powder, and bullet are all together in a brass case. All you got to do to load your gun is just drop this "cartridge" thing into the barrel.

Really?

Yea, you don't even need to carry powder, bullets and primers separate anymore.

Shame, that!

I hear that there is even a new fangled powder that causes the bullets to go faster. But to make it work, they had to wrap the lead with copper. Hell they are even putting a steel cap on the top of the bullet and calling it something like "Solids". They say you can smack an elephant in the face now days.

Shame, everyone knows the only proper way to shoot an elephant is to fire away in the shoulder with about 20 rounds until he succumbs to blood loss.

Yea, you know, some dude named Bell even went so far as to cut an elephant head open to actually find out where the brain sits.

No! Shame, that! Now everyone will know where to shoot them. Everyone knows that the only proper people allowed to shoot elephants are the guys who travel the land in Ox carts, living off of whatever they find to eat.

Ox carts? No man. Now days, they use "Range Rovers" to cover the ground. They don't even have to ride a boat for months on end to get here anymore. Now days they just get on an airplane and fly here in a day or two.

What, no Ox carts? No worrying about the stock animals lasting until the end of the safari from the Tetse fly bites? Shame, that! What is our sport coming to? Next thing you know, you'll be telling me that women hunt.

Well, there is this young girl. She shot a few dangerous animals and somebody filmed it. She didn't do it the proper way though. Some "Professional Hunter" shined a light on an elephant's head to show her the general area to shoot. It isn't enough that that Bell fellow actually made some drawings about where to shoot, now we have this. Shame, that!

You know, I heard about that. Isn't she too young to be hunting Dangerous Game? I heard that she even got some kind of award from some organization called Safari Club International because they actually thought it was important to recognize a young person pursuing "OUR" sport. Everyone knows that she is too young.

Yea, and she is a "Girl" to boot! Shame, that.

Yea, shame. I'll bet she was only able to "Hunt" if you can call it that because her "Daddy has money". Shame.

Yep. What is our sport coming to? Shame, that!

Todd, sounds like you finished up that 6-pack pretty quick tonight! :-)

Why, is anyone replying to this???????

Sorry Todd,

I don't understand your humor or brand of Scotch Whisky. Perhaps you need to GET BACK on your meds like Will and
his single trigger double rifle which Krighoff
no longer prodces due to "safety concerns".

Thanks for posting but don't take up the space.

DRSS]

Tetonka

I enjoyed it, thought it was funny.

I thought I was the only one thinking WTF.

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Originally posted by tetonka:
Sorry Todd,

I don't understand your humor or brand of Scotch Whisky. Perhaps you need to GET BACK on your meds like Will and
his single trigger double rifle which Krighoff
no longer prodces due to "safety concerns".

Thanks for posting but don't take up the space.

DRSS]

Tetonka

Actually no humor intended. Just a personal observation that no one else need to agree with. But, I do have the right to take up whatever space is available to me here! It's your choice if you don't want to read it.

My point is this. I'm pretty new to this forum. Been participating about 2 months now. Under my name, it says "One of us". Actually should still say "Newbie". But when I first started reading posts here, I must have been "lucky" in that I found the posts informative and of value.

What a little experience does to change the perspective. It seems that I missed the real point of the forum. It really doesn't matter how positive a thread starts out, it almost always turns negative. Just take a peak at the new thread here about the fellow who got his leopard right off the plane! I'm not sure why, but the story about the young lady on the Big 5 hunt bothers me a bit. For those who are wondering, I'm referring to the post about darting Rhinos and laserring elephants on this forum.

Many others have stated the same thing as me, but I see the anti's attacking us in unity! All the while, we take a story about a young person interested in hunting and make it a negative by pointing out all the differences with the way it "should be done". Maybe I'm a bit sensitive about the subject as I have 2 young boys myself. Luckily, they are into hunting, although not as much as their old man.

But I have the opportunity to interact with quite a few of their friends who come over from time to time. They enter my trophy room and usually start in with, "but that one is endangered, etc. etc." Those of you who have kids in grade school are probably aware of the eco trash they indoctrinate our kids with on a daily basis. One kid came over to our house a few weeks ago with a T-shirt that said something stupid like "Our Planet In Crisis". When asked about it, he ripped off a list of talking points that would have made a politician proud.

It just seems to me that if we really love the sport of hunting, shooting, and collecting guns, we should consider boosting the positive and downplaying the negative aspects of the stories we hear about.

It takes thought and intelligence to put aside our primal emotions of jealousy and envy and say something positive. It is easy and sexy to be negative. It takes no intelligence to make something into a negative. Don't believe me, re-read my original post. I used absolutely no intelligence in writing it.

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I used absolutely no intelligence in writing it.

Maybe that is why you got the responses you did.

Maybe folks on here have seen similar posts made by folks whose motives were or are not a pure as yours.

How is anyone supposed to know? A person can claim to be anything they want on the internet, it takes time to figure out whether a person is legitimate or just stirring the pot.

I hear ya Todd. I liked your first post, kinda comical, in a "you gotta appreciate sarcasm" sorta way. You make a valid point though - we're all too eager to tear each other down without considering there are bigger things at stake. Sometimes I wonder if we're taking ourselves too seriously. It's like we adults have forgotten to simply enjoy being afield just for the sake of it.

Why do we have to agree on everything?

We have over 41,000 thousands members, who come from all walks of life, each has his own interests and passions, come from different countries and backgrounds, and you expect them to agree on everything?

Guns and hunting are our shared passion...why not enjoy it together. If you'd rather have a nasty argument, go ask your wife how much weight she's gained since you got married! :-)

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Originally posted by Biebs:
Guns and hunting are our shared passion...why not enjoy it together. If you'd rather have a nasty argument, go ask your wife how much weight she's gained since you got married! :-)

My point exactly!

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Why do we have to agree on everything?

We have over 41,000 thousands members, who come from all walks of life, each has his own interests and passions, come from different countries and backgrounds, and you expect them to agree on everything?

Saeed, I'm not suggesting that everyone should agree. Far from it. The great thing about having 41,000 members is that there is a vast amount of knowledge and experience to draw on from others who have been there and done that. It's a golden opportunity to learn things from others who share the same passion but have different interpretations of the same type of experiences.


But again, it's easy to piss on someone else's parade just because they or their methods are different than yours rather than acknowledging that you simply do things differently. Again, I'm speaking of the young lady in the aforementioned thread. Earlier, I was reading about your recent hunt on the Moywasi. I enjoyed your humor and especially the photography. I can't afford Tanzania at this point in my life, and may never be able to. But that doesn't make me feel that I need to go negative and disparage you and your friends about going to Tanz and me having to settle for RSA! Far from it. It motivates me to think about a way to modify my financial position so that I too can go one day. I'm not going to bitch about missed opportunities until then however.

I am not squeamish at all about blood and guts. In fact, I make a point of digging right in and getting as bloody as possible when taking a new person out hunting, just to make a point. Kind of like bloodying their face as an initiation. They need to know that part of the deal. That being said, I don't post the more gory pics of the kill and processing as you do. But I also don't criticize you for doing so. That's my point. . I understand those pics. You are showing the real consequence of the culmination of the hunt. Again, as in my example of the new hunter, it is part of the process and is something not to shy away from.

So back to the darts and lasers! Her participation in her hunts are not going to sway opinion with the folks on this forum who have vast experience with Africa or hunting in general. Obviously others believe differently but what I got out of the video was that here is a potential role model for other kids. Maybe some other kid will happen to see her TV episode and rethink their anti hunting position. Maybe, they might say to themselves, "This is not what I've been told. I thought hunting was something older generations do. I thought it was wrong. Maybe I should look into the facts a bit more. Maybe I should try it myself." I see that potential as positive for our sport.

It seems that you and I have disagreed on several things here over the past few days. No problem. It's thought provoking. I just hate to see the discourse make a race to the bottom and eventually result in name calling and such as it so often does.

Maybe, if there was an effort to have less hostility (maybe too strong a word) and more encouragement, there would be 82,000 members!

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:
Obviously others believe differently but what I got out of the video was that here is a potential role model for other kids. Maybe some other kid will happen to see her TV episode and rethink their anti hunting position. Maybe, they might say to themselves, "This is not what I've been told. I thought hunting was something older generations do. I thought it was wrong. Maybe I should look into the facts a bit more. Maybe I should try it myself." I see that potential as positive for our sport.

I don't believe differently, this is what I think whenever I see/hear of a young person hunting. Young hunters need to be actively encouraged to give hunting any chance of survival, and it is our duty as older hunters to do this.

Todd:
I enjoyed reading your first post. Sounded to me as if you were making humor. Until the last couple posts I didn't realize you were actually trying to make a point or two on things.

Thinking it over since then, I agree with you.

Hang in there, don't let the negative's discourage you any.
George

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Originally posted by georgeld:

Hang in there, don't let the negative's discourage you any.
George

Hey George, I took Tetonka's advice and got back on my meds. I'm OK now, as far as I know!

Cheers,

Todd

And I thought I was the only on who was misunderstood on this forum!! welcome to the club Todd..
P.S. a word of warning never say anything bad about any brand of bullet. some guys here think you are the antichrist if you do that to there chosen bullets

Enjoyed the humor and "point taken". Some guys are way too serious and only believe in their opinions... sometimes I find I resemble that remark! We do need to loosen up a bit at times...

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Originally posted by ddrhook:
And I thought I was the only on who was misunderstood on this forum!! welcome to the club Todd..

+1

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P.S. a word of warning, never say anything bad about any brand of bullet. Some guys here think you are the antichrist if you do that to there chosen bullets

I agree with the above being a no! no! if you simply have to cow to anyone here! However, all things have followers and there will always be those who go ballistic when disagreed with on their particular choice! I say state the facts, and let the chips fall where they may! Simply do not reply to a negative! I know that is hard to do, and I’m as guilty of responding as anyone, but it is still not a good idea!

In the case of Todd's post, I simply don't see the ire raised over a little satire! Personally I thought it was funny, but even if I hadn't thought so, I don't think it merited the distain it seems to have caused here!

Todd I enjoyed your post, for what little my approvable is worth!

'Tis a fine line between disagreement and judgement, and it takes a self-secure person to avoid the latter.

I've always thought that's what makes the liberal, bunny-hugging, anti-hunting left so attractive - you're encouraged to judge your fellow man. "You're not saving the planet as much as I am," "I'm way more intelligent, evolved, etc., etc. "

I don't mind disagreement, 'just can't stand preaching from someone self-ordained.

Todd - post whatever the heck you want.

Even my befuddled mind got the point and appreciated the humour. Eveyone including me is way too tense lately. A sign of the times I think. A collective deep breath and relax....

While some of us may have not got the point of Todd's post, how many of us waited to respond AFTER Todd's second post and some of the other responses that were made?

How many of us have been on this site and others long enough to have seen folks show up on the sites that were merely trolling?

Yes, it is easy to jump to conclusions, either way. How many of us are guilty of buying into or having bought into someone's little game only to find out they were just stirring the pot?

Should we be so quick to judge, one way or the other, No. Should we be so quick to believe that everyone is on the up and up and has no malicious intent, that is a little harder to answer.