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Originally posted by Bushwack:

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Originally posted by JGRaider:
Screw what the contract says. I'd give the deposit back, and have done so. Good deeds come back around many times over. Just ask that Bushwhack loser what happens when you don't.

what happened old fart?

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Originally posted by fairgame:
I do not really do contracts and you pay a deposit and if you can't come you get your money back. I have stated something about 30 days but never called it in.

I can always sell the safari to another.

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Originally posted by ForrestB:
Bushwack,
What kind of person continues to gloat about their heartless and inhumane treatment of a man who lay dying of cancer? You are a worthless piece of garbage.

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Originally posted by Bushwack:

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Originally posted by JGRaider:
Screw what the contract says. I'd give the deposit back, and have done so. Good deeds come back around many times over. Just ask that Bushwhack loser what happens when you don't.

what happened old fart?

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Originally posted by Bushwack:

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Originally posted by JGRaider:
Screw what the contract says. I'd give the deposit back, and have done so. Good deeds come back around many times over. Just ask that Bushwhack loser what happens when you don't.

what happened old fart?

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by boarkiller:
One time I canceled hunt and simply told outfitter to keep deposit for his trouble
Not everybody is in same boat, but sometimes business can be tough.
I look at that this way, I would return deposit with thought of down the line the decision would help me and maybe even bolster my business and make me feel like I helped someone in time of need.
At the same time, I totally can see if outfitter will not do that.
Two sides of the coin.
It is really up to an individual
I hope , wife will get better.
Mine passed away from illness and it was tough.
Wouldn't recommend it to anyone...

boarkiller,

I am sitting up late and I read this and I am truly sorry for your loss. Not sure what I would do without my wife mate.

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by Bushwack:

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Originally posted by JGRaider:
Screw what the contract says. I'd give the deposit back, and have done so. Good deeds come back around many times over. Just ask that Bushwhack loser what happens when you don't.

what happened old fart?

How to win friends and influence people.

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Originally posted by fairgame:
JGRaider,

Bushwack is what you do in camp when you have been away from your woman for a while.

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:

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Originally posted by fairgame:
I do not really do contracts and you pay a deposit and if you can't come you get your money back. I have stated something about 30 days but never called it in.

I can always sell the safari to another.

You can resell a safari inside 30 days?

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Originally posted by Safaris Botswana Bound:
AR has the usual 10/10/80 split , 10% left and right , 80% moderate who are entertained and or enlightened by the threads.

The booking form , forms the basis of the contract.
To lynch the outfitter is wrong , and to not feel the clients pain is also wrong.
Reasonable people in reasonable times resolve the problem to the best win win situation. These are not reasonable times.

The outfitter is not wrong , try get a refund from a SAA , won't happen, try get a refund from a realtor when you don't come up with the balance of payment or breach. Law dictates.

The question then remains is it good business , no its not , this is a service business based on word of mouth and reputation , many outfitters survive both ask the members on this forum , this will be one of those.

The debate however is largely useless without the name of the outfitter , only then does it become interesting , as the haters climb in while those lucky to have had a good experience defend.

Mostly those that live in glass houses will throw the biggest stone.

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SBB - Without it being spelled out in the contract it becomes a grey area. As happened in this case, the transaction was conducted over the phone and via e-mail. The "contract" was simply a price quotation. The PH said there would be other paperwork to sign when the client got there. Most likely a liability release.

As an update, the client has been able to obtain a written commitment that if either he or the PH can fill the slot, he will get his refund, if not, it is forfeited. Of course he has no real way of verifying if the PH will follow through should the PH quietly fill the slot. So the client is working with a friend of his to take his place - of course I suggested this time with a contract and full knowledge what he is purchasing. At least there is an opportunity to get his funds back.

A good cautionary tale for all...

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Originally posted by Beretta682E:
Anyone buy trip insurance for a hunting safari ? Which companies sell it ? How is it priced ?

Mike

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Originally posted by wrenchmaster:

If any good can come from this situation, it may be that in the future hunters will be more careful about how they deal with Outfitters and how much they actually put down as a deposit. Personally, I would not hunt with any outfitter that required a larger deposit than I'm willing to put down. Having been ripped off in the past by Outfitters, I'm less than eager to put myself in that position again.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
Matt, yes, but...

Who hands the piece of paper to the client and says sign or you can't go?

Every last contract I have seen is written by the outfitter's lawyer to protect the outfitter. How likely would it be if I came to you and handed you a contract that had all sorts of reasons that I could not pay what you say I owe, for reasons that are out of your control?

As I see it, it would be nice if there was a standardized contract that spells out protections to both sides.

I have been in a situation where the outfitter did not live up to the contract, and it was full of what I owed him, but nothing was said about what my recourse was if HE didn't deliver.

Now, I try and deal with people who see their word and implied promise as their bond, but still with the papers that the lawyers make me sign, I could be left on the outside if something happened to that individual.

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Originally posted by JGRaider:
I've never signed a contract in 3 trips to Africa, or 2 trips to Mexico.

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:

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Originally posted by wrenchmaster:

If any good can come from this situation, it may be that in the future hunters will be more careful about how they deal with Outfitters and how much they actually put down as a deposit. Personally, I would not hunt with any outfitter that required a larger deposit than I'm willing to put down. Having been ripped off in the past by Outfitters, I'm less than eager to put myself in that position again.

Most outfitters have been ripped-off by clients too - hence the need for a contract.