Someone Does Not Like What We Do!

08 January 2010, 01:56

mark65x55

quote:
Originally posted by Will:
Oooohhh. A PhD. Honorary Associate. More Ooooohhhh.

Political butt monkey. More Oooooooooooohhhhh.

She is what is wrong with the once masculine now chick neutered politically correct class. What ever happened to the real men? Piss on her.

Best post on this whole damn subject. A+ Will

08 January 2010, 01:58

Sambar 9.3

quote:
Originally posted by Matt Graham:
quote:
Originally posted by 86thecat:
In Australia, what is the significance of an "honorary associate"?

Dr Denise Leith
Honorary Associate
Department of Politics and International Relations
Macquarie University
Sydney
Another name for professional student I believe... She is probably just a researcher/tutor or somesuch.

Looks to be that way Matt.

She is not listed as a staff member.

08 January 2010, 01:58

peterdk

i just recived this from denise, and send this reply

quote:

To: "Denise Leith" <deniseleith@iprimus.com.au>, Caroline.Trotman@vc.mq.edu.au
Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 10:56 PM

Dear Denise

It were unsolisited hatemail to a member of the royal family in dubai.

this tread might give you something to think about next time you do things like this.

http://forums.accuratereloadin...221079321#2221079321

also bringing the university into this might have been a mistake on your part, since we are quite a few people that take hunting and nature conversation seriusly.

regards

peter

P.S i will be happy to post any message from you, that you might like to get through to the general public.
--- On Thu, 1/7/10, Denise Leith <deniseleith@iprimus.com.au> wrote:

From: Denise Leith <deniseleith@iprimus.com.au>
Subject: Re:
To: "peter nerving" <palsn@yahoo.com>, Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 10:19 PM

This was a private statement. I apologise for not removing my address. In no way was I representing the university or their views. As it was a private statement it should not have been made public or published on any web site, nor should it be.
Regards

08 January 2010, 02:20

crane

That begs the question- Why was she using a university computer ?

08 January 2010, 02:31

sjm

quote:
Originally posted by Con:
I find it encouraging ... perhaps evidence that The Shooters Party in the NSW Parliament and its push for hunting in National Parks etc is getting under the noses of academics.
Cheers...
Con

Maybe the 2 Shooters Party members in the upper NSW parliament should ask the question in parliament about her and does she represent the views of the gov.. the greens would do it!

08 January 2010, 02:33

Code4

The iprimus addy is a private e-mail address. Not a unversity one unless it was deleted from the original post by saeed.

08 January 2010, 02:42

BrettAKSCI

quote:
Originally posted by crane:
That begs the question- Why was she using a university computer ?

It could be her signature for a private email from any computer in the world.

Brett

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08 January 2010, 03:27

armorer

The source of the criticism should be of no concern to anyone. Our son received degrees in Wildlife and Fisheries Science from Texas A&M amd L.S.U. He remarked that every instructor at L.S.U., where he got his M.S., was a hunter except for one, an ornithologist. Our son-in-law is a tenured full professor who has no problem with hunting, not an "Honarary Associate", whatever that could be. He expects me to help train our four grandchildren how to hunt like real gentlemen and lady.

08 January 2010, 03:27

TOP_PREDATOR

quote:
Originally posted by sjm:
quote:
Originally posted by Con:
I find it encouraging ... perhaps evidence that The Shooters Party in the NSW Parliament and its push for hunting in National Parks etc is getting under the noses of academics.
Cheers...
Con
Maybe the 2 Shooters Party members in the upper NSW parliament should ask the question in parliament about her and does she represent the views of the gov.. the greens would do it!

Shooters Party have been emailed link to this thread

08 January 2010, 03:40

ravenr

And so the hounds were unleashed
And the cry was heard
Run! Rabbit! Run!

08 January 2010, 04:08

David Hulme

quote:
Originally posted by peterdk:
i just recived this from denise, and send this reply
quote:

To: "Denise Leith" <deniseleith@iprimus.com.au>, Caroline.Trotman@vc.mq.edu.au
Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 10:56 PM

Dear Denise

It were unsolisited hatemail to a member of the royal family in dubai.

this tread might give you something to think about next time you do things like this.

http://forums.accuratereloadin...221079321#2221079321

also bringing the university into this might have been a mistake on your part, since we are quite a few people that take hunting and nature conversation seriusly.

regards

peter

P.S i will be happy to post any message from you, that you might like to get through to the general public.
--- On Thu, 1/7/10, Denise Leith <deniseleith@iprimus.com.au> wrote:

From: Denise Leith <deniseleith@iprimus.com.au>
Subject: Re:
To: "peter nerving" <palsn@yahoo.com>, Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 10:19 PM

This was a private statement. I apologise for not removing my address. In no way was I representing the university or their views. As it was a private statement it should not have been made public or published on any web site, nor should it be.
Regards

One would think that a professor or doctor or whatever she is would be more observant and notice that she had included her address before sending....
'Should not have been published on any website'? Says who? These people can spend their pathetic lives trashing our worthy tradition and we can't strike back, is that how it's supposed to be? What a silly woman - puts the match to brush but doesn't expect the veld to burn.

I enjoy this site for many reasons, but the biggest reason is that it gives us a voice.

Dave

08 January 2010, 04:48

David Hulme

This is the email I sent Denise....

Good day to you Denise,

Along with a number of other hunters/ conservationists, I was somewhat irritated by the misinformed email you sent to the owner of the accurate reloading website. I want to show you the other side of the coin - what we hunters do when not busy being repulsive boys with big guns pretending to be brave warriors. Try to inform yourself a little better - the only reason there is any wildlife in my country is because of hunting and hunters.

http://forums.accuratereloadin...=443103856#443103856

http://forums.accuratereloadin...=288102897#288102897

http://forums.accuratereloadin...=809105579#809105579

http://forums.accuratereloadin...071003811#1071003811

http://forums.accuratereloadin...=233109837#233109837

http://forums.accuratereloadin...=341100096#341100096

http://forums.accuratereloadin...=649109786#649109786

http://forums.accuratereloadin...991045101#3991045101

Cheers, David Hulme

08 January 2010, 05:25

mauser93

What, none of you guys have ever seen a foolish email before now?

Please remember: gender equity means that women can be azzhats, too.

08 January 2010, 05:46

billrquimby

Someone much smarter than I am said something like this: "You cannot reason prejudice out of a person because it was not reasoned into him."

Facts will not convince the good doctor. She is against the killing of animals for any reason, but if we must do it we must not enjoy it.

Her email to Saeed was nothing compared to the hate mail I used to receive as the outdoors columnist of a daily newspaper. What really got my attention were the anonymous death threats, and these came at least once a year.

Bill Quimby

08 January 2010, 07:24

Jim Manion

She has an obvious interest in "mambas", but is repulsed by "boys with big guns". Freud would have a field day with this. Perhaps we should alert the Psychology Department at the University.

08 January 2010, 07:36

Canuck

Probably wouldn't be helpful to send her a picture of a mamba eh?

I know....very immature.

08 January 2010, 08:34

Gerhard.Delport

Did anybody get any replies to the emails send???

08 January 2010, 08:39

crbutler

I must say that I'm rather surprised that this kind of comment even made it to the point that Saeed even noticed it.

Then again, maybe the boorish antihunting behavior and insistence on "correcting" the evil animal hater is a uniquely western phenomenon.

I don't care for antihunters, but I don't go around looking for antihunting bunnyhugger sites and tell them what I think of them either.

I do find it amusing her response that it was a "private" email and should not have been made public. If you make an arse of yourself to someone, don't be surprised if they expose your bad behavior to all the world to see.

Didn't her mother tell her once upon a time "If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all!" ?

08 January 2010, 08:53

MediumBoreBoarHuntress

quote:
Originally posted by crbutler:

Didn't her mother tell her once upon a time "If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all!" ?

Exactly. Very well said, and my opinion as well.

Michelle

08 January 2010, 08:57

jdollar

honorary associate implies someone who works outside the university but occasionally gives lectures at the school. it is pretty common in medical education. local doctors in private practice in a city with a med school will often make rounds with students, residents, etc. and give lectures-and are given a title of "assistant" professor- purely an honorary title. i am betting this misinformed individual falls into this category. the fact that she is supposedly well versed in Middle East politics is really ironic. oh, and by the way- here is a picture for her mamba collection.

08 January 2010, 09:06

Saeed

The reason I posted her letter was very simple.

She included all her qualification to add weight to her extremist views.

I sent her an email and got an answer back.

Basically she said I had no right to post that on AR, and asked for that message to be removed.

She believes she has the right to send hate mail to me and the whole hunting community, but we have no right to say anything about it.

And this is from someone who is supposed to have brains, and teaches others as well!

It boggles the mind who we have teaching our children nowadays!

I have told her the message will remain, and if she feels like apologizing, I will be happy to post her apology.

08 January 2010, 09:11

CA Safari Hunter

Dr. Leith –

The kind people of AR provided you with 2 pictures of a Mamba. I think a “Thank you” would be nice…

08 January 2010, 09:29

Harris

quote:
Originally posted by CA Safari Hunter:
Dr. Leith –

The kind people of AR provided you with 2 pictures of a Mamba. I think a “Thank you” would be nice…

She'd be glad that she wasn't looking for pictures of cats a couple of years back otherwise a lot of nice AR members from the small game forum would have sent some really nice pictures.

08 January 2010, 11:01

500nitro

A nice diplomatic email of reproach and a gentle suggestion that she does some homework on the issue in order to make for an informed debate has been sent

08 January 2010, 11:23

shakari

Perhaps she needs reminding of the words of Solzhenitsyn who said:

"One can build the Empire State Building, discipline the Prussian army, make a state hierarchy mightier than God, and yet fail to overcome the unaccountable superiority of certain human beings".

08 January 2010, 15:01

kibokolambogo

quote:
Originally posted by CA Safari Hunter:
Dr. Leith –

The kind people of AR provided you with 2 pictures of a Mamba. I think a “Thank you” would be nice…

Both mamba pics shown were of Black Mambas...maybe she had a different kind of Black Mamba in mind

08 January 2010, 15:18

Bakes

I sent her a nice email as a fellow Aussie but have gotten no reply as yet

08 January 2010, 15:40

SteveGl

quote:
Originally posted by Gerhard.Delport:
Did anybody get any replies to the emails send???

Nope.

I did, however get responses from both Craig Packer and Laurence Frank on the Smithsonian article, which I will put up.

08 January 2010, 16:04

Steve Malinverni

quote:
quote:
Originally posted by Gerhard.Delport:
Did anybody get any replies to the emails send???

Maaybe she wish a "before having been shooted" mamba photo

A curiosity, what is normally done with a killed snake? is the skin taken and treated?

08 January 2010, 16:06

Stephen Palos

I have faith in her "academic" integrity so I took a more conciliatory approach. See my mail and then click on the link to see the documents I sent her:

Dear Dr Leith

I have no doubt that you have unwittingly caught a tiger by the tail with your mail to Saeed Al Maktoum. I for one share much of the frustrations being vented on the AR website by my fellow members.

I would however like to take a somewhat less confrontational tac with you in this regard and having faith in the fact that as a scholarly and learned person you are probably open to at least study aspects of "the other side of the coin". To this end I attach just two documents for your perusal. I sincerely hope you take the trouble to read them.

Should you ever have cause to be in South Africa, and would like an oportunity to meet with the people and see first hand some of the activities you were rather quick to criticise, I would be pleased to host you accordingly or steer you towards people & places that would enlighten you further.

Regards
Stephen Palos
www.bigbore.org

Link to Documents

08 January 2010, 16:11

Stephen Palos

quote:
Originally posted by Steve Malinverni:

A curiosity, what is normally done with a killed snake? is the skin taken and treated?

Not often Steve. I usually coil them up under a fellow hunters bedding.....

08 January 2010, 16:17

MFD

In our area, those folks who teach at University/College level and are not salaried staff academics are known as "adjunct instrutors," but in no way can you involve the institution in any personal attitudes, biases, etc. As pointed out, she most likely added her credentials to point out that she is a person of knowledge???
I believe she used the word repulsive and being one of those "adjunct instructors" I find quite a few things in the University setting as repulsive. Listening to the various conversations at the cafeteria during lunch time, it becomes crystal clear that most, not all, have no concept of the real world and hunting, firearms, is a taboo topic.
Education has provided them with a view of the world similar to looking through a 36X target(very focused) scope vs a 2.5x hunting scope, not much field of view. The word limited comes to mind.

martin