Does anyone have any experience using a 180 grain Swift Scirocco on PG? The rifle being used would be a 300 Win Mag. Largest of all targets would likely be zebra and kudu.

I haven't used them on game. Simple reason is the only thing I could count on hitting when in load development was the hillside behind the target.....I think anyway.

If you've got a good load I'd like to hear about it.

Same experience. Couldn't get them to print anywhere close to the accuracy of the A frames in a .300 Weatherby.
Jim

Mate used them last year in Zim last year with terrific result out of my .3000 win mag. Could not get the 165 grn to group but loved the 180's. Success list included Sable, 275 yard Reedbuck and a Hyena

Load 66.0 grn 2209
Fed prim
180 grn sorocci II
Remington cases

Have fun
Scott

Long time ago I shot them for a season. Not good performance at all on mule deer and elk. They seemed to blow up and not penetrate very well on stout animals...

I shoot a 180 gn sirroco in my 300 ultra mag,,,,In my rifle they drive tacks and everything here in the US I hunt for with it, mainly big wild feral pigs with the tough cartlige shield,, pigs are dead right there! I have killed 4 pigs with one shot at a water hole one time,, they were lined up like a wood pile,, my intention was to shoot the big boar,,, the others were just a bonus. Pigs are such a problem here we try and kill everyone we see. The last pig in line looked like he had been shot with a shotgun there was bullet and bone fragments blowing through him. I would love to try it on an eland or zebra...It seems too kick worse than my 375 though which I know can do everything in Africa. As Tim said,, they do seem to come apart,, but penetration on our small stuff here qwas never an issue.

I was on a caribou hunt in NW Alaska 2 years ago. Since no one in camp had a moose tag, one of the guides took a moose with his .300 Ultra Mag and a Scirocco II. It was DRT from an offhand shot at 100 yards. The moose was a bit smaller than an eland, but a lot bigger than a zebra!

Ditto an the accuracy issue with Siroccos. My 06 won't shoot them and neither will my .300 WM.

siroccos have a very poor reputation for accuracy

I don't have a load made up yet, so doing a little homework before I put a lot of work into it.

I couldn't get this rifle to shoot the 180 gr Partitions after trying about 4-5 powders. I've got a 180 gr TSX load made up that shoots just at or slightly under 1" dependent upon the day, but it is super slow!

So, I was going down my list of things next to try that is already sitting on my bench, which are 180 grains of the following: A-frames, Scirocco, and a hand full of Northforks.

Thanks,

Shoot the A-Frame and you won't regret it. I've taken 40-50 african animals with the 180gr A-Frame from a .300wm, including Zebra and Kudu.

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Originally posted by graybird:
I don't have a load made up yet, so doing a little homework before I put a lot of work into it.

I couldn't get this rifle to shoot the 180 gr Partitions after trying about 4-5 powders. I've got a 180 gr TSX load made up that shoots just at or slightly under 1" dependent upon the day, but it is super slow!

So, I was going down my list of things next to try that is already sitting on my bench, which are 180 grains of the following: A-frames, Scirocco, and a hand full of Northforks.

Thanks,

You might would get lucky with the Scirocco's, but I'd take the A-Frame or North Fork over them.

I tried the Scirocco's in my Tikka which will shoot just about anything well and in my M70. Groups could hardly be called groups. They were all over the place no matter the powder I tried and I tried maybe 6 or 7 different powders.

The A-Frames I've found quite easy to develop a load for in my Tikka and my M70. I've not tried the North Forks in the Tikka but they're shooting well in the M70.

I've not hunted with Accubonds, some seem to love them others not so much, but they were also fairly easy to develop a load for. I did find the AB's like to be seated as far out as I could while still being able to load them into the magazine.

Good luck!

Originally posted by 7MMNut:

quote:

Originally posted by graybird:
I don't have a load made up yet, so doing a little homework before I put a lot of work into it.

I couldn't get this rifle to shoot the 180 gr Partitions after trying about 4-5 powders. I've got a 180 gr TSX load made up that shoots just at or slightly under 1" dependent upon the day, but it is super slow!

So, I was going down my list of things next to try that is already sitting on my bench, which are 180 grains of the following: A-frames, Scirocco, and a hand full of Northforks.

Thanks,

You might would get lucky with the Scirocco's, but I'd take the A-Frame or North Fork over them.

I tried the Scirocco's in my Tikka which will shoot just about anything well and in my M70. Groups could hardly be called groups. They were all over the place no matter the powder I tried and I tried maybe 6 or 7 different powders.

The A-Frames I've found quite easy to develop a load for in my Tikka and my M70. I've not tried the North Forks in the Tikka but they're shooting well in the M70.

I've not hunted with Accubonds, some seem to love them others not so much, but they were also fairly easy to develop a load for. I did find the AB's like to be seated as far out as I could while still being able to load them into the magazine.

Both the Tikka and the M70 are .300WM by the way. You may also want with the TTSX to move down one weight and try again. The longer all copper bullet sometimes seems to be a bit more difficult to stabilize in some rifles from what I've read.

Good luck!

Try 180 gr Accubonds and inherintley accurate bullet. Have killed the snot out of all kinds of stuff with it including a bunch of zebra and kudu.

Have a new Rem 700 stainless synthetic 300 Ultra-mag. Put a 2.5x8X Zeiss on it to start. Tried the factory Level III loads with 180 gr Scirracos. One hole groups at 100 yards, but as I bought it for elk I believe I will still continue to look for a tougher and as accurate a load.

For deer next week, tho, it should be the hammer of Thor!

I have used the 180 Scirocco II in my .300 Winchester Mag., Model 70 Classic for years. I've taken Deer, Black Bear, Pronghorn and Caribou with it. On top of 68.5 grains of IMR4350 which yields about 2,950fps on the chrony, it will print .5" groups at 100 yds, and 1.5" groups at 200yds (if I do my part) and would'nt hesitate to take it for any PG that walks. I also load this bullet in my .308 Win and the .300 H&H. Tough bullet, in my opinion.

Per the factory rep at the Dallas Safari Show, you need to seat the bullets deeper than most bullets so they can free-fly a few thousands of an inch before engaging the rifling in the barrel. It worked for me & I've had excellent results with accuracy & performance.

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Originally posted by Frank Beller:
Per the factory rep at the Dallas Safari Show, you need to seat the bullets deeper than most bullets so they can free-fly a few thousands of an inch before engaging the rifling in the barrel. It worked for me & I've had excellent results with accuracy & performance.

Can you define "a few thousandths of an inch"? 2, 5, 10? I have a bunch of these sitting on the bench and I'd be happy to give your suggestion a try.

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Originally posted by LionHunter:
Shoot the A-Frame and you won't regret it. I've taken 40-50 african animals with the 180gr A-Frame from a .300wm, including Zebra and Kudu.

Ditto's with Mike, for the life of me I don't know why folk want to shoot the scirocco when the a-frame is one of the best softs on the market. I have taken over 40 African species and 30-40 North American species in the past 24 years with ZERO problems, excellent penetration, 180g w/30-06, 250g w/338, 300g w/375, 400g w/416 and 450g and 500g w/458.

On my last trip to Namibia I shot a 180 gn Scirocco on Plains Game. From Springbuck, Zebra to Eland all one shot kills. Put a second one in the Eland to hurry the process. This bullet shot the best out of my 300 Win Mag

My bud shot some 165 scirocco bullets out of his 300 win mag, it was an absolute lightning bolt, everything tipped over from kudu to gemsbok... no reason a 180 will not work here

Here is a really nice sable he tipped over!




Ed

quote:

Originally posted by Frank Beller:
Per the factory rep at the Dallas Safari Show, you need to seat the bullets deeper than most bullets so they can free-fly a few thousands of an inch before engaging the rifling in the barrel. It worked for me & I've had excellent results with accuracy & performance.

+1
I load mine .040" to .050" off the lands in my .300 WBY Mag. and get impressive groups.
As for durability, I shot my elk last year at apprx. 125 yards, quartering away, aiming for the off side shoulder. Shot hit the last rib on the close side, bisecting and destroying the lungs, and the bullet was recovered in the off side shoulder with apprx. 80% weight retention.

I've had similar results in both accuracy and terminal performance in multiple calibers with the Scirrocos. Load 'em long and you'll notice quite an improvement.

180 Scirocco II's are THE bullet I shoot in my 300 WSM. Here is the recipe:

Rifle:
Winchester M70 Extreme Weather all factory except for a trigger adjustment by a local smith
Leupold VX-6 2-12x40
Talley stainless rings/bases

Load:
180 gr. Scirocco II
1x Norma brass
62.5 gr. H414
Federal 215M
MV of ~2950 fps, shoots 1/2 in. groups at 100Y from a bench/bags



Just got back from Ehirivopuka in Namibia this weekend - shot a Hartmann's Zebra stallion broadside at ~220M, and he fell instantly. Never took a step. I'm no expert, but it took all 6 of us to load him and the PH estimated his weight at 300+ kg. This slug was recovered from the opposite side just under the hide, impact was right at the tip of the "triangle" in his stripes behind the foreleg.



You can actually see the slug up under the skin here, I circled it in white



Recovered slug weighs 154 gr, for a weight retention of 85-86%.

Also shot a mature Gemsbok bull in Sesfontaine, he was also broadside at ~150M. He also dropped without a step at the first shot and never got back up, but I sadly hit him higher than I would have liked, so a second shot was given close-up into the chest between the forelegs to finish him. Both slugs were recovered under the hide on the opposite side. One had almost exited and popped out like a cyst during skinning without even a knife!




Both slugs weighed 150-155 grains here as well.

2 Springbok rams, a male Ostrich, and a very nice Kudu bull (this was the trip's longest shot at ~350M!) were taken as well, and all four were 1 shot kills with total pass-thru, so no other slugs were recovered.

I'm EXTREMELY happy with the SCirocco IIs, and will continue to use them for game in Africa and N. America. Hopefully I'll have a full hunt report soon - it was my first time in Africa and it truly changed my life!

Thanks everyone for their comments. I loaded up some 180 gr Swift Scirocco IIs and some 180 gr A-frames a couple of weeks ago with Ramshot Magnum. I haven't had a chance to make it to the range, but will report once I do.

I also had good results during load development with Ramshot Hunter; never tried Magnum though.