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What bullet? distance? load? results? Mike Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | ||
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Kudu, 165gr Nosler Partition, can't remember the loads but they were quite mild out of a short 20" Rem Mod7 barrel, did the job without issue.... | |||
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The end result of this thread is that some old timer is going to admit to having shot and killed an elephant. Where else can this end? analog_peninsula ----------------------- It takes character to withstand the rigors of indolence. | |||
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Not interested in what some old timer has done once...just curious with peolpes actual experience... And my other question is...what do you care where it ends... Mike Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Mike In Oct/Nov of 2006, in Zimbabwe, my wife and I used a Blaser R 93 in 308. I took as bushbuck with the Federal 180 Barnes MRX. I took a heyena and a honey badger with the Federal 165 Trophy Bonded Bearclaw. My wife took 2 kudu, and brain shot a large giraffe with the 180 MRX, and an impala, zebra and wildebest with the 165 TB. The 308 worked perfect, I would not hesitate to use it again in Africa. It was her primary plains game rifle. DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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Back in 2000, I took this Blue wildebeast bull at 220 yards. .308 Sako rifle, 6X Swarovski fixed, with 180 grain Barnes X bullets.. dropped like he was hit by the hammer of Thor.  | |||
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A lady friend of mine killed a cape buff in Tanzania in the early 80's with a Win M70 FW .308 Win with 180 grain NP. One shot through the chest. Ran about 50 yards and fell over dead. Not advocating this but it happened!!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Never killed any animal with a 308 Win! Never owned one, never shot at an animal with one. I have killed some paper targets with a .308 Win, 98 Mauser custom rifle belonging to a friend of mine! The paper died quite quickly, however! It made a hole in both sides of the paper. Complete pass through.  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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Mac, What bullets were using and at what velocity? | ||
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Not African game, but I did shoot about a half dozen large turtles (Red-Ear Sliders) including one that was probably 20 lbs.!! I was helping a friend of mine test his handloads. I believe they were 165 gr. FMJ's. It was quite a sight because we were about 50 ft. above the water on a cliff and there were lots of 10+ lb. catfish swimming around and when the chunks of turtle rained down, the catfish feasted!  _______________________________________________________ Hunt Report - South Africa 2022 Wade Abadie - Wild Shot Photography Website | Facebook | Instagram | |||
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Mike, You've got me worried. First your looking to find game in Krueger and now you're looking to shoot big animals with a 308. Don't tell me you're taking up the bushmeat trade  Russ Have gun- Will travel The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark | |||
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Russ, Russ, Russ, Of course not just curious...how are things down south...my son is at Cal Poly...I need to stop in and say hi next time I am down for a visit... Mike Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Mike Not a .308 but almost the same, maybe a little bit more velocity and a better case for the longer bullets. An eland with a .30-06. 200 gr Nosler Partition. Can't see any reason a .308 couldn't do the same with a 180 or 200 gr Partition. | |||
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Have only owned one 308, It was a heavy barrel Mdl 70 and was very accurate. Only game ever shot was a lizard on the target frame. Killed the sucker instantly with one shot. Load was a 150gr Sierra something or other. The case was loaded with powder of some sort probably an IMR of some number. Totally uninspiring round and have never had one since. SCI Life Member NRA Patron Life Member DRSS | |||
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Shot a Zebra in Botswana with a borrowed 308. Not sure about the ammo other then it was a soft point (borrowed ammo as well). 150 yards, ran about 100 yards and was dead when we found him. | |||
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Shot a big bull Eland in May in Namibia at nearly 200 yards with my 376 Steyr using 270 grain Swift A-Frames in my hand loads. Eland never took a step and I had complete pass through. Also shot a big Blue Wildbeast with the same load and one shot. He ran about 40 yards. Shot a big Kudu in 03 with a 308 and Federal HE 165 grain TBBC. Got about 3 feet of penetration. | |||
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